Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2020 - 2022

[FergusMcDuck]

How would you know whether or not LE has contacted Terri's lawyer to set up a meeting? They might have and lawyer said no.

In 2016 Terri said no one had contacted her lawyer. The police has also never claimed that they tried to set up an interview and her lawyer declined. At least, that's to my knowledge.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Ok...let me bounce something around for a minute.

What is the parking situation at the school? I know the parking lot is not big enough to accommodate all of the cars that were supposedly at the school for the science fair. Would there have been cars parked around the truck at some point? Is there a sign that says "No Parking" at such and such time or was it just understood that people could park in that area? I know at my kids' schools, cars usually parked in any available spot during school events. So, if we go off of that, did she park there initially and then cars began to park around her, which in turn would give her SOME cover but then also there's the chance of someone showing up to leave that might catch her in the act. Was this another "I can't park a truck" situation and she just picked an open area to leave plenty of room for her to get out? I honestly can't remember if there was a space of time where she left the project, took the kids back to the truck, and then moved it (if someone knows where that detail is, maybe they can point it out). Seems a little cumbersome to haul the baby back to the truck, lock her in her carseat, move the truck, and then take the kid back out and walk all the way back to the school. But also, since we don't know definitely that her truck was ever parked there...we have to take it with a grain of salt. But I do wonder about the other cars if that is indeed where she parked. Could that have given her JUST enough cover?

Definitely NOT an ideal place, especially since you have all the cover you could possibly need like 2 miles down the road.

Why would she need to do it right at that moment?

It's interesting, I think, and another sign that at this point in the investigation they still believe there was an accomplice (likely because Terri's timeline came through and ensured it couldn't be her alone).

Here's the article about the sightings. So the idea is that Terri first parked by the road between the entrance to the parking lot and the entrance to the access road. This is consistent with what I remember being Terri's own claim, though I can't find a reliable site that still has that info. The problem is the truck on the access road. It is claimed that it is Terri's truck, but as the article says at this point the MCSO have already distributed posters that connect the truck with Terri. It is claimed that a second person is needed to have moved the truck, but was the truck ever moved at all? For that matter, why would it need to have been moved just a short distance up the road? The sightline from the parking lot wouldn't really change. It seems a minor thing to need an accomplice for, yet it is necessary to maintain the theory.

I'd say it's far more likely that the truck on the access road wasn't Terri's truck. It could have been either the groundskeeper's truck, parked while he locked the chain behind him, or it could be the kidnapper's truck. I'm leaning towards the latter.

 

[Truth Prevails]

What on earth is Terri supposed to do here? Go back and tell the same story for the twelfth time and trust that this time the police will believe her? She's not part of the investigation. She holds no inside information or secret knowledge. The MCSO made a mess of this, and it's not on Terri to clean it up, even if she could.

A reasonable action plan may be: to go "back" and tell the truth for the first time. She has been the main focus of the investigation since the day Kyron disappeared.

Snipped Quote: "The defendant is a prime suspect in the investigation," Circuit Court Judge Henry Kantor wrote, explaining his decision to allow the case to proceed but allowing Terri Horman to avoid a deposition that could potentially incriminate her in the criminal investigation.

Kyron Horman's Stepmother Called 'Prime Suspect' by Judge

Terri Horman was called a "prime suspect" in the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron Horman, by an Oregon circuit court judge. Horman will not be required to answer questions in a $10 million civil suit that was filed against her by the boy's birth mother, Desiree Young.

abcnews.go.com

Snipped Quote: Terri's divorce attorney, Peter Bunch, claims the divorce can't go on right now because she's a "de facto suspect" in the disappearance of her stepson, Kyron.

But Kaine's side countered, saying Terri is stalling to "avoid possible self-incrimination."

Terri Horman makes Portland court appearance

<p>The stepmother of missing Kyron Horman made a showing at Portland's downtown courthouse Wednesday afternoon.</p>

kpic.com

 

[FergusMcDuck]

A reasonable action plan may be: to go "back" and tell the truth for the first time.

And there's the disconnect. It's why LE's and the bioparents' comments about Terri holding up or hindering the investigation by not "cooperating" are so nonsensical. They believe she is guilty, and by cooperating they mean they want her to come in and confess to her involvement. If she's innocent, she can't do that. There simply isn't any way she can please them because she and LE are coming at this from completely different perspectives.

 

[minazoe]

Fergus, what do you think happened? do you have a theroy? sorry if I missed it...thanks in advance..

 

[cocomod]

In 2016 Terri said no one had contacted her lawyer. The police has also never claimed that they tried to set up an interview and her lawyer declined. At least, that's to my knowledge.

The problem here is you are believing Terri, a known liar. I think LE have asked her to come in and she has refused. Just like she walked out on one of the lie detector tests. We don't know what LE knows or has on her. But, we do know that they do NOT believe her version of events, and we do know that they have receipts that contradict her version of events. Yes, they all believe that Terri is guilty, and she has not done anything to prove otherwise. Unfortunately, as we have found in other cases, she does not have to come in for an interview. She can and likely has refused. Just like Josh Powell refused. The constitution does allow us to be free from self incrimination!

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Fergus, what do you think happened? do you have a theroy? sorry if I missed it...thanks in advance..

I'm gravitating towards the theory that a stranger took Kyron. I don't have much in the way of evidence to support it, but I also haven't found anything to oppose it. Basically, a man came to the school, walked in with the other parents and simply acted as he belonged, until he found a kid that seemed meek and pliable. He lured him out of the school by asking him to fetch something from his car, and then drove away with Kyron. After that, well, I just hope it was fast, because I don't think Kyron is still alive.

Bold predators exist, and in this case, their advantage would be no one there recognizing them, and also no need to return to the scene of the crime. Kyron could be pretty much anywhere. If he's found, it's likely to be some distance away, like Lindsey Baum or Isabel Celis.

Timewise I think it happened not many minutes after nine, if not a few minutes before. Close enough that the general chaotic mess of the fair and unusual activity (touring the exhibits in groups) made it difficult for witnesses to give exact times.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

The problem here is you are believing Terri, a known liar.

Is she, though? What are the lies she's told? Genuinely curious, since I haven't found any.

I think LE have asked her to come in and she has refused. Just like she walked out on one of the lie detector tests. We don't know what LE knows or has on her. But, we do know that they do NOT believe her version of events, and we do know that they have receipts that contradict her version of events.

Do we know that? Have we received any info from LE that contradict what Terri has told?

Yes, they all believe that Terri is guilty, and she has not done anything to prove otherwise.

If she's innocent, what could she possibly do to prove it, beyond telling her story? So far every piece of evidence that has been made public confirms her account, and nothing has contradicted it. It's also interesting to note that in her 2016 interviews Terri kept saying that LE had exculpatory evidence that they haven't made public. It's anyone's guess what that is (perhaps sightings of the mystery man, or Kyron alone after 8:45), but if she believes the police are sitting on evidence that can clear her, that means she's pretty helpless to do anything.

 

[OddOneOut]

I'm gravitating towards the theory that a stranger took Kyron. I don't have much in the way of evidence to support it, but I also haven't found anything to oppose it. Basically, a man came to the school, walked in with the other parents and simply acted as he belonged, until he found a kid that seemed meek and pliable. He lured him out of the school by asking him to fetch something from his car, and then drove away with Kyron. After that, well, I just hope it was fast, because I don't think Kyron is still alive.

Bold predators exist, and in this case, their advantage would be no one there recognizing them, and also no need to return to the scene of the crime. Kyron could be pretty much anywhere. If he's found, it's likely to be some distance away, like Lindsey Baum or Isabel Celis.

Timewise I think it happened not many minutes after nine, if not a few minutes before. Close enough that the general chaotic mess of the fair and unusual activity (touring the exhibits in groups) made it difficult for witnesses to give exact times.

I happen to agree with this theory. There were kids who claimed to have seen Kyron heading to or near his classroom. Someone decided the kids must have seen him on a different day; yet, no reason was given as to why someone decided this.

 

[minazoe]

I'm gravitating towards the theory that a stranger took Kyron. I don't have much in the way of evidence to support it, but I also haven't found anything to oppose it. Basically, a man came to the school, walked in with the other parents and simply acted as he belonged, until he found a kid that seemed meek and pliable. He lured him out of the school by asking him to fetch something from his car, and then drove away with Kyron. After that, well, I just hope it was fast, because I don't think Kyron is still alive.

Bold predators exist, and in this case, their advantage would be no one there recognizing them, and also no need to return to the scene of the crime. Kyron could be pretty much anywhere. If he's found, it's likely to be some distance away, like Lindsey Baum or Isabel Celis.

Timewise I think it happened not many minutes after nine, if not a few minutes before. Close enough that the general chaotic mess of the fair and unusual activity (touring the exhibits in groups) made it difficult for witnesses to give exact times.

yet he was seen with Terri and never seen with an unknown male. no one reported an unknown male on the premises..I wonder how many dads were there that day. there was never a parent in the school that became a suspect.

it is such a weird case, but I think Terri is no Patsy Ramsey..I think you have to assume she is what she presents ..she is showing this by her actions. She is a homicidal , pathological liar and narcissist/sociopath. what are the odds? what does logic tell us?

I know there has been conjecture..Israel Keyes, because of the area etc.. but I feel this is way out there..I never say never though. mOO

 

[OddOneOut]

yet he was seen with Terri and never seen with an unknown male. no one reported an unknown male on the premises..I wonder how many dads were there that day. there was never a parent in the school that became a suspect.

it is such a weird case, but I think Terri is no Patsy Ramsey..I think you have to assume she is what she presents ..she is showing this by her actions. She is a homicidal , pathological liar and narcissist/sociopath. what are the odds? what does logic tell us?

I know there has been conjecture..Israel Keyes, because of the area etc.. but I feel this is way out there..I never say never though. mOO

There were reports of Kyron being seen alone near his classroom which were suppressed. I have NOT seen any evidence of TH taking Kyron. All I'm seeing on this thread is assumptions and conjecture no evidence.

 

[minazoe]

we all know Kyron had no doctor appointment that morning. mOO

 

[ReadySet]

In 2016 Terri said no one had contacted her lawyer. The police has also never claimed that they tried to set up an interview and her lawyer declined. At least, that's to my knowledge.

"Terri said" doesn't work for me. LE does not share everything.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

yet he was seen with Terri and never seen with an unknown male. no one reported an unknown male on the premises..I wonder how many dads were there that day. there was never a parent in the school that became a suspect.

it is such a weird case, but I think Terri is no Patsy Ramsey..I think you have to assume she is what she presents ..she is showing this by her actions. She is a homicidal , pathological liar and narcissist/sociopath. what are the odds? what does logic tell us?

I know there has been conjecture..Israel Keyes, because of the area etc.. but I feel this is way out there..I never say never though. mOO

Two witnesses made public statements that they saw Kyron without Terri, one (his friend TP) saying he saw Terri leave without him. The other was a 7th grader who saw Kyron with friends, but without Terri. The TP sighting in particular doesn't make much sense if it occurred before Terri left.

This interview seems to reference sightings of an unknown man, but I don't really have any other confirmed sightings (which I mentioned). However, the claim that witnesses saw Terri leave with Kyron I don't think are reliable. They only derive from Desiree, years later, and we don't know what LE actually told her. Not to mention if those testimonies were real, the investigation would have taken a radically different shape.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

we all know Kyron had no doctor appointment that morning. mOO

No, his appointment was for the 11th. The teacher appears to have been confused on the dates, understandable if tragic, since it delayed the discovery that Kyron was missing.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

"Terri said" doesn't work for me. LE does not share everything.

Which amounts to the same in the end - no evidence that Terri has been called in for an interview post lawyer.

 

[cocomod]

No, his appointment was for the 11th. The teacher appears to have been confused on the dates, understandable if tragic, since it delayed the discovery that Kyron was missing.

I believe this was all carefully laid out plan for her to make him disappear that day. She told them on Thursday that he would be out of school on Friday for a doctor's appointment. Why would the teacher assume that it would be the following Friday? She is a bad liar and has you fooled. I had read at one time that school was out on the 11th, but I can't find that statement any more so I won't link it.

 

[DFWNF]

Two witnesses made public statements that they saw Kyron without Terri, one (his friend TP) saying he saw Terri leave without him. The other was a 7th grader who saw Kyron with friends, but without Terri. The TP sighting in particular doesn't make much sense if it occurred before Terri left.

This interview seems to reference sightings of an unknown man, but I don't really have any other confirmed sightings (which I mentioned). However, the claim that witnesses saw Terri leave with Kyron I don't think are reliable. They only derive from Desiree, years later, and we don't know what LE actually told her. Not to mention if those testimonies were real, the investigation would have taken a radically different shape.

I am confused, are you stating, amongst other things, that LE started their investigation to find this precious missing boy, and that LE put up the posters etc based solely on Desiree's comments "years later" about witnesses? That does not make any sense to me. Nor does believing one word Terri says, never mind discounting every statement that the victim's devastated mother Desiree makes as "unreliable"", while also accusing LE of leaking info to Desiree? Huh? I am not quoting that as I am not able to go back right now and find the posts stating exactly that. Jmo

 

[ReadySet]

Which amounts to the same in the end - no evidence that Terri has been called in for an interview post lawyer.

No evidence known to the public.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

No it certainly does not account to the same in the end. You choose to believe Terri's word. Why would LE bother to publicly discount what she is saying? I am quite they have more important things to do, ie busy working behind the scenes, not sharing everything with the public as ReadySet noted, nothing odd about that, to lock her up. IMO

It amounts to there being no evidence that LE has requested an interview (in the company of her lawyer, of course) and she declined.

I believe this was all carefully laid out plan for her to make him disappear that day. She told them on Thursday that he would be out of school on Friday for a doctor's appointment. Why would the teacher assume that it would be the following Friday? She is a bad liar and has you fooled. I had read at one time that school was out on the 11th, but I can't find that statement any more so I won't link it.

It was retired MCSO captain Bruce McCain who claimed June 4th was the last day of school, but he was wrong. It was the 15th. More evidence, I think, of the caliber of MCSO investigators.

I am confused, are you stating, amongst other things, that LE started their investigation to find this precious missing boy, and that LE put up the posters etc based solely on Desiree's comments "years later" about witnesses? That does not make any sense to me. Nor does believing one word Terri says, never mind discounting every statement that the victim's devastated mother Desiree makes as "unreliable"", while also accusing LE of leaking info to Desiree? Huh? I am not quoting that as I am not able to go back right now and find the posts stating exactly that. Jmo

No, that is not what I claim. I think the police began to look at Terri because Desiree came to them the first night and said she believed Terri was involved - as she admits to in the Rebecca Morris book. I also suspect they got hardened in their opinions by things like the (erroneous) Sauvie Island ping and the (unscientific) polygraph results. Desiree gave reasons for her suspicion in the Morris book: that Terri said she had "dropped off" Kyron while in reality she had gone inside the school with him, and that Terri couldn't have seen Kyron from where she claimed she waved goodbye to him. The latter was wrong - Desiree appears to have been confused on the school layout - and the former seems flimsy at best, but there it is.

The story of the witnesses came later. She began hinting at them some five years later - witnesses that had seen Kyron walk with Terri towards her truck - and in the Morris book she outright identifies them. The bus driver, and Kyron's classmate and classmate's sister and grandmother. Desiree says the information came directly from the police, and at no point have the witnesses confirmed publicly what they saw. Morris certainly didn't get a quote from any of them in the book. And if these were genuine, and there was actual evidence of Terri removing Kyron, the investigation would have looked very different. For example, since Desiree specified the sightings took place on the parking lot, why were the police looking at the access road? There would have been no reason to do so, and for that matter, no reason for anyone to move a car up on it if Terri's just going to stroll through the parking lot.

Were you there when Terri talked to and/or emailed the teachers about an appointment? All we have is Terri's word for that.

Do you have anyone's word to the contrary?

No evidence known to the public.

So as far as we know, there's no evidence the MCSO have requested an interview with Terri post-lawyer.