Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions....

[Donjeta]

There was never a question for me. The first reports were that he was camping that Friday. Then it was reported he was at the Hormans on Saturday. That made sense. Simple. He came home because Kyron was missing.

It seemed to me that along the way people were trying to say he was there on Friday in order to point the finger at him. But nobody ever reported he was there Friday.

BBM Except there was one article where it said that he came home on Saturday because of a preplanned visit.

Trouble hit home again when Kyron disappeared. The day after Kyron vanished, Tarver says, James went to the Hormans’ house for a previously planned weeklong visit.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

 

[Donjeta]

I'm not quite sure where to post this request but this thread seems to be the most fitting....can someone point me in the direction of the video where TH gives the "thumbs up" sign please. I've never seen it and would like to view it. Thanks a bunch!

Not sure if there is a video but here's a quote:

Approached earlier in the day at her home in Northwest Portland, she had denied a report by KPTV 12/Fox TV news that her husband, Kaine Horman, and 18-month-old daughter, Kiara, had moved out.

"Everything's good," she said, giving a thumbs up. "We heard that rumor. It's just a rumor that needs to be squelched. Everything's fine.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_stepmom_terri_mo.html

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Thanks Donjeta!

P.S. you're amazingly quick!

 

[human]

sbm re dui only

The *contradicitons* article says she pled guilty and took a diversion. Here, that means that after the successful completion of whatever your diversion requires, including no further charges for a certain period of time, the case is dismissed. So, technically, if she met those criteria, she doesn't have a DUI on her record. However, a background check will still show the charge, the plea and the diversion. I'm guessing that a diversion and dismissal is sufficient to satisfy the ethical obligations to teach since it's not the same as a conviction, and that would be why she has an active license. It also may explain why it took a while. Courts will let a first time offender do a diversion for exactly that reason. They don't want to take away someones livelihood for a first time offense.

She's lucky she doesn't live in AZ. First time offense and you go to jail....period. As they say here ... she's not too pretty for tent city

I think we are talking about 2 different things. If for example, she had a child abuse charge, she could pay the penalty, but she would NEVER get a teaching job. But she could go on with her life in society in general. But the state would NEVER let her teach.

The teaching board for the state has their own standards. I think that she would have to meet THEIR standards before she could be reinstated as a teacher.

 

[Janeumayer]

If TH was involved, I wonder if she hid Kyron at a storage facility? The article states that she ran a storage facility business. Hopefully LE has checked all storage facilities within an hour of Skyline.... JMO

 

[wondering1]

I think we are talking about 2 different things. If for example, she had a child abuse charge, she could pay the penalty, but she would NEVER get a teaching job. But she could go on with her life in society in general. But the state would NEVER let her teach.

The teaching board for the state has their own standards. I think that she would have to meet THEIR standards before she could be reinstated as a teacher.

Even if the charge was dismissed? That's what completing a diverion does. The charge is dismissed, like you were never charged. The only *problem* is that it can still be seen on the record in a background check. I understand what you're saying and not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to figure out whether we really are talking about two different things

 

[gliving]

Even if the charge was dismissed? That's what completing a diverion does. The charge is dismissed, like you were never charged. The only *problem* is that it can still be seen on the record in a background check. I understand what you're saying and not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to figure out whether we really are talking about two different things

I know she was arrested for DWI and child endangerment. Did she plea bargain for lesser charges? Sorry I'm not up to date on this.

 

[wondering1]

I know she was arrested for DWI and child endangerment. Did she plea bargain for lesser charges? Sorry I'm not up to date on this.

I don't know exactly what she pled to. But the child endangerment is based on the DWI. Here, for example, if you are DUI with a child under 16 (I think) it's automatically a felony charge in addition to the DUI.

I'm guessing she went ahead and pled guilty to the DWI (maybe to a lesser BAC than she was charged with) with a prior agreement that the sentence would be a diversion program and that the child endangerment charge would be held in abeyance pending completion of the diversion. Once completed, all charges would have been dismissed.

All I know for a fact is that she was charged with the charges mentioned, pled guilty to something, got a diversion and is now licensed to teach. If it's true that you can't teach with a conviction for one or both of those things on on your record, that's the only way I can think of that she is currently licensed. And Human is suggesting that, even then, she maybe shouldn't be.

Btw, a DWI is called a DUI here -- they are the same thing. So when I type one or the other, I mean either.

 

[gliving]

In some states you can have a DUI expunged from your record after a certain amount of time, especially if it hinders your employment or travel to other countries such as Canada. Maybe that is the case here.

 

[wondering1]

In some states you can have a DUI expunged from your record after a certain amount of time, especially if it hinders your employment or travel to other countries such as Canada. Maybe that is the case here.

That's kind of a myth. They call it an expungement, but it isn't the same type of expungement as a minor can get. In the case of a minor, there is no record....period. In the case of an adult with a DUI (or some other charges, I'm sure), they will expunge the physical record and the public record, but it will still turn up on background checks. Not as a conviction, but the charges, diversion and dismissal will be noted.

eta: I should add that this is based on my experience here. I strongly believe it is the same everywhere, but I can't swear to it.

 

[Aedrys]

Yep! I have a friend who is a teacher and she did finally get something but it wasn't exactly what she was looking for. She took it because there wasn't much to choose from. Sometimes these jobs are posted but already filled internally. Policy says they have to post them and go through the interview motions even though they have a candidate in mind. My friend interviewed for her job sitting next to about 20 other people in the waiting room.

By the way...Intel is doing well though. Talk of a new plant being built. :dance:

BBM. This is what bothers me about TH. In teaching, you have to take what you can get. You're not going to get the exact teaching job you want right after that degree is placed in your hand or you get your certification. When I was applying for teaching jobs after getting my degree, I applied for whatever I seemed qualified for, even tutoring and grade school (I never wanted to teach in grade school). The point is, you have to start from the ground up in jobs like teaching. Sounds to me like she was being picky about what teaching job she wanted, and when she didn't get it quickly, she gave up and did substituting, and then quit doing that too.

She strikes me as someone that if she can't get what she wants in short of amount of time, then she gets bored or angry and decides to move on to something else. Getting a good teaching job takes a lot of time and a lot of luck. I've been teaching since 2004, and I am still at the adjunct stage, albeit at a community college that I love. And it took a hurricane and moving to a whole other state to find this college too. I may never get a fulltime job and I accept that. But I'm not going to give up doing what I love either because I haven't been able to get the teaching job I really want as of yet.

If she really loved teaching, she'd stick it with it no matter what kind of teaching job she could get and no matter how long it took to build a teaching career and get the teaching job she at one time yearned for. Instead, she quit looking, got a minimal teaching job through subsituting, and then quit doing that. Sounds like she wasn't as dedicated to teaching as she'd like people to believe she was. And what a waste of a Master's degree. I worked damned hard for mine, and I am going to continue to use it as much as I can. I'm wondering if her degree was more towards making her look better reputation wise than her actually using it to get a good job.

Now the DUI could make it hard to get a job, and that's an element I never had to deal with. But if it were me, I'd grovel, beg, and do whatever I needed to do so I could do what I love, which is teaching.

 

[Kimster]

I don't know if anyone has already addressed this, but I just noticed this from the article:

"Jxxx was camping with his dad when Kyron disappeared."

Wasn't there a whole discussion about that actually not having been the case? Terri's mother had told reporters that Jxxx was camping with his dad for the weekend, I believe, but then we heard that he was actually spending the week with Terri and Kaine. Perhaps the confusion was that he was camping during the week, and was coming to the Horman home for the weekend? Was the question ever resolved?

This is the latest article about what was happening with J. It appears he was camping.

 

[human]

Even if the charge was dismissed? That's what completing a diverion does. The charge is dismissed, like you were never charged. The only *problem* is that it can still be seen on the record in a background check. I understand what you're saying and not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to figure out whether we really are talking about two different things

I'm not trying to be argumentative either and I appreciated your comments as it makes me think.

I think that it doesn't matter what she did for her charge. I think that she has to meet the board of teaching standards which suspend your license for a time period. But I honestly don't know.

I'm just wondering if she met up with some people if she had to go in for whiz quizzes .

 

[Etilema]

This is the latest article about what was happening with J. It appears he was camping.

So, apparently he was camping on Friday, but at the Hormans on Saturday (for the planned week-long visit).

 

[purple turtle]

I think we are talking about 2 different things. If for example, she had a child abuse charge, she could pay the penalty, but she would NEVER get a teaching job. But she could go on with her life in society in general. But the state would NEVER let her teach.

The teaching board for the state has their own standards. I think that she would have to meet THEIR standards before she could be reinstated as a teacher.

IIRC there was a child endangerment charge along with the DUI because J was in the car with her. DUI is a huge mistake ... having a child in the car is a bigger deal, especially if you want to be employed as a teacher.

 

[For The Kids]

There was never a question for me. The first reports were that he was camping that Friday. Then it was reported he was at the Hormans on Saturday. That made sense. Simple. He came home because Kyron was missing.

It seemed to me that along the way people were trying to say he was there on Friday in order to point the finger at him. But nobody ever reported he was there Friday.

BeanE he was scheduled to go there on the Saturday for a prearranged visit according to Tarver. I dont think it was cause of Kyron going missing that he went there or not according to how Tarver put it anyhow.

 

[For The Kids]

So, apparently he was camping on Friday, but at the Hormans on Saturday (for the planned week-long visit).

Yes but he didnt actually stop there the week though because of what happened and the media etc.

 

[AbbieNormal]

BBM. This is what bothers me about TH. In teaching, you have to take what you can get. You're not going to get the exact teaching job you want right after that degree is placed in your hand or you get your certification. When I was applying for teaching jobs after getting my degree, I applied for whatever I seemed qualified for, even tutoring and grade school (I never wanted to teach in grade school). The point is, you have to start from the ground up in jobs like teaching. Sounds to me like she was being picky about what teaching job she wanted, and when she didn't get it quickly, she gave up and did substituting, and then quit doing that too.

She strikes me as someone that if she can't get what she wants in short of amount of time, then she gets bored or angry and decides to move on to something else. Getting a good teaching job takes a lot of time and a lot of luck. I've been teaching since 2004, and I am still at the adjunct stage, albeit at a community college that I love. And it took a hurricane and moving to a whole other state to find this college too. I may never get a fulltime job and I accept that. But I'm not going to give up doing what I love either because I haven't been able to get the teaching job I really want as of yet.

If she really loved teaching, she'd stick it with it no matter what kind of teaching job she could get and no matter how long it took to build a teaching career and get the teaching job she at one time yearned for. Instead, she quit looking, got a minimal teaching job through subsituting, and then quit doing that. Sounds like she wasn't as dedicated to teaching as she'd like people to believe she was. And what a waste of a Master's degree. I worked damned hard for mine, and I am going to continue to use it as much as I can. I'm wondering if her degree was more towards making her look better reputation wise than her actually using it to get a good job.

Now the DUI could make it hard to get a job, and that's an element I never had to deal with. But if it were me, I'd grovel, beg, and do whatever I needed to do so I could do what I love, which is teaching.

I have a friend who has been a teacher since the early 80's, and shes now working as a librarian......

 

[Morag]

I never saw a single report that he arrived Friday. I saw lots of rumors and speculation though.

I could have sworn I saw it in an article somewhere, but try searching for something just using "Friday", and I got about 10,000 hits!

 

[human]

So, apparently he was camping on Friday, but at the Hormans on Saturday (for the planned week-long visit).

I have commented on the week long visit. School is not over and it is either final's week or right before finals. He is in high school and supposedly was not doing well in school earlier.

Very strange to me