"Kyron saw it all...was involved."

[AbbieNormal]

Hearing Kaine say in that interview that they had gone out and bought Kyron a new bookbag and all his school supplies so he would be all ready when the first day of school started made me cry. How much sadder can this case get? My heart really goes out to DY who must certainly be living a hell on earth. How in the world does she get through everyday? Is she back to work?

Nice work, Terri. You have managed to ruin the lives of J, baby K, Kaine, Tony, Desiree, Kyron, all the sets of grandparents who certainly loved him, and most of all your own life. Are you proud of yourself? His classmates, his best friend, have had to learn at a tender age about death and/or evil and I wonder how many of those poor kids have had nightmares about someone coming and taking them from school? :furious:

 

[Jules71]

some think that this was a sexually motivated crime (ie possible human/sex trafficking) etc.
I hate even writing that but the more time that goes by to me means it is more complicated than a family or stepmom kidnapping. Everyone involved seems to be protected by the police somehow.It is frightening to think of the motivations and reasons for this.

And that is something that would make Desiree sick to her stomach for sure! Could Kyron have been sold and that is where Terri got her money for Houze?

 

[gardeness]

some think that this was a sexually motivated crime (ie possible human/sex trafficking) etc.
I hate even writing that but the more time that goes by to me means it is more complicated than a family or stepmom kidnapping. Everyone involved seems to be protected by the police somehow.It is frightening to think of the motivations and reasons for this.

I agree at this point. It doesn't make sense, if Terri has Kyron "stashed", for her to continue to keep him "stashed". If she's guilty, the jig is up, and has been up for weeks. As far as harming him...I don't think she had enough time to harm him and dispose of him, plus keep the truck free of evidence. I don't think DeDe is involved at all--her interview with People magazine was pretty forthright, and she has the confidence to stand up for herself with LE, which makes me think that she's standing strong in her innocence. I am still waiting for evidence that will change my mind... moo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For clarity here is the complete quote.
>>Desiree: (interrupts) It just makes me feel stronger that, that there were people helping her... that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her... which is what we suspected<<

hth

It sounds like Desiree thinks because Kyron was there with these people that if they can get him back he can tell them who all is involved.

IMO

 

[carbuff]

It sounds like Desiree thinks because Kyron was there with these people that if they can get him back he can tell them who all is involved.

IMO

Hm, true.

It also sounds like she thinks the more people involved, the less danger he's in.

 

[txsvicki]

Didn't Kyron tell little boys at school that he had a dr. appointment that morning? If he did, that would involve him in the plot, and if he knew these people that are helping he saw it all, but of course may not have heard or understook any of it.

 

[shelbar53]

Desiree’s comment “that Kyron saw it all and was involved and that there were other people helping her”.

Kinda of gave me chills when I heard her say that. I think she was saying, Ky was aware that he was about to be murdered by someone he trusted and the other person involved would not help him. That’s what he “saw”. But it’s to horrible to say it the way I said it plus it would mean that he’s not alive. Just knowing your child was aware of what was about to happen is the things nightmares are made of. MOO

 

[Bathbuddys]

Somewhat O/T..
Really? I haven't gotten that impression concerning Kyron's case thus far..
However, there is another case though that comes to mind where it does seems police are protecting the person/s responsible for the disappearance of their child.. And IMHO, like you, I do find it to be quite frightening when I think of the motivations and reasons for that to be happening..JMHO

well the only reason I won't back up my comment is because it would be site that I don't know if I can link or not here.
I also think this because there are FEDERAL AGENCIES involved in this case including DEA, ICE, Secret Service, FBI, local agencies and the port of Oregon authorities, other counties etc. this is A LOT bigger than I ever thought it was just by who is involved.
I made the comment about police protection because of Terris escort to court, it looked to me like she is either on house arrest or police protection and her CRIMINAL LAWYER went to DIVORCE court with her...some seem to think she was wearing a monitor braclet per her long sleeved suit jacket on a warm summer day? hmmmm JMO of course.

 

[manybooks]

I think the emails of stuff on Terri's computer and phones has been revealed, maybe not in full, but in part to Desiree and Kaine to see if they can shed light on what has been found.

It is very possible that Kaine took a looksie at these himself on the home PC before LE did (and maybe he even alerted LE to them) and that is why he seemed to be talking about other emails (other than the released emails).

 

[RubyRed]

well the only reason I won't back up my comment is because it would be site that I don't know if I can link or not here.
I also think this because there are FEDERAL AGENCIES involved in this case including DEA, ICE, Secret Service, FBI, local agencies and the port of Oregon authorities, other counties etc. this is A LOT bigger than I ever thought it was just by who is involved.
I made the comment about police protection because of Terris escort to court, it looked to me like she is either on house arrest or police protection and her CRIMINAL LAWYER went to DIVORCE court with her...some seem to think she was wearing a monitor braclet per her long sleeved suit jacket on a warm summer day? hmmmm JMO of course.

bbm
The only thing I saw was a woman dressed appropriate for court.

 

[purple turtle]

I also think this because there are FEDERAL AGENCIES involved in this case including DEA, ICE, Secret Service, FBI, local agencies and the port of Oregon authorities, other counties etc. this is A LOT bigger than I ever thought it was just by who is involved.

Could you supply a link to prove this? I'm just want to know, for sure. Thanks

 

[grandmaj]

Here is the link to the July 23, 2010 question and answer with the Sheriff.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99143584.html

How many investigators are still dedicated to this case and what are they doing on a daily basis?

A significant investigative team composed of DA Office, East County Major Crime&#8217;s Team and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case. The numbers varies daily, based on investigative needs.

Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?


* Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff&#8217;s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA&#8217;s investigators, Washington County District Attorney&#8217;s Office, Washington County Sheriff&#8217;s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.


This list does not include search and rescue resources.

 

[Simply Caustic]

The word involved has different connotations. It can mean all wrapped up in or overwhelmed by something. it could be he became involved in conversation with the wrong person at the wrong time.
personally I think it was just an odd word choice as she was trying to be careful to not use the right words or say too much. I think involvement refers to entanglement or some sort of contact with the perp in the course of the kidnapping.

The sentence,"the boy became involved with the group of kidnappers" does not mean he was necessarily a kidnapper himself, only that be became involved with them,perhaps by being kidnapped himself.

Portion bolded above, respectfully, by me

I can see a mountain, vividly, out of ANY random molehill. I'm painfully over-analytical and I always am suspicious of the hidden meaning/connotation to any statement. (Not inferring any poster has overanalyzed: Just explaining my own proclivities.)

That being said, I think JBean hit the nail on the head with her post. She simply mis-chose her word (IMO), in attempting to filter what she could/could not and should/should not say. Just my two cents.

(Sidenote: I've not yet posted on Kyron's case here at WS, but have read from the beginning. Thank you all so much, truly, for all the hard work you do - I'm proud and lucky to be a member here, thank you!)

 

[craftybatchy]

well the only reason I won't back up my comment is because it would be site that I don't know if I can link or not here.
I also think this because there are FEDERAL AGENCIES involved in this case including DEA, ICE, Secret Service, FBI, local agencies and the port of Oregon authorities, other counties etc. this is A LOT bigger than I ever thought it was just by who is involved.
I made the comment about police protection because of Terris escort to court, it looked to me like she is either on house arrest or police protection and her CRIMINAL LAWYER went to DIVORCE court with her...some seem to think she was wearing a monitor braclet per her long sleeved suit jacket on a warm summer day? hmmmm JMO of course.

BBM

Or a bullet proof vest ...
If TH has been receiving threats, why would Houze sanction TH appearing on a matter which is routinely handled without the client being present.

Perhaps TH was attending to other matters, meeting with Police, seeing a Doctor, etc - both scenarios which would likely require the presence of her Attorney.

 

[purple turtle]

Here is the link to the July 23, 2010 question and answer with the Sheriff.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99143584.html

How many investigators are still dedicated to this case and what are they doing on a daily basis?

A significant investigative team composed of DA Office, East County Major Crime’s Team and other local, state and federal agencies are involved in this case. The numbers varies daily, based on investigative needs.

Can we have the list of law enforcement agencies that have assisted in the Kyron Horman investigation?


* Gresham Police, Fairview Police, Troutdale Police, Portland Police, Port of Portland Police, Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office, Clackamas County DA MCT, Multnomah County DA’s investigators, Washington County District Attorney’s Office, Washington County Sheriff’s Office, Gladstone Police, Oregon City Police, Milwaukie Police, Canby Police, Lake Oswego Police, West Linn Police, Vancouver Police, Hillsboro Police, Beaverton Police, FBI, DEA, ICE, Secret Service, DOD Defense Criminal Investigative Services, Oregon DOJ, Oregon State Police.


This list does not include search and rescue resources.

Is this typical in missing children's cases to have this many federal investigators? TIA

 

[grandmaj]

There are so many there I can't say. I think some of the Federal ones are perhaps because of the Canadian Border being so close. I just have never seen a list like this. But with the MFH investigation in the earliest of days maybe that included some other agencies that may not have been involved otherwise. I was surprised.

 

[sherlockh]

I don't really see anything cryptic in what she says. She just leaves out a lot of stuff which makes the sentences look like they have a different meaning. The way I understand her goes as follows:

It just makes me feel stronger that (there is a witness that saw), that there were people helping her (TH?)... that (the witness saw) Kyron(,) saw it all and (that Kyron) was involved (in a kidnapping?) and that there were other people helping her (TH?)... which is what we suspected

JMO of course.

 

[pdx]

I don't really see anything cryptic in what she says. She just leaves out a lot of stuff which makes the sentences look like they have a different meaning. The way I understand her goes as follows:

It just makes me feel stronger that (there is a witness that saw), that there were people helping her (TH?)... that (the witness saw) Kyron(,) saw it all and (that Kyron) was involved (in a kidnapping?) and that there were other people helping her (TH?)... which is what we suspected

JMO of course.

I finally just watched the video and I agree.

 

[nursebeeme]

What does Desiree mean by this?

If she is just talking about Kyron's abduction, I think that's very odd verbiage. Of course, a child being kidnapped would "see it all." But those words don't fit to me.

Every crime victim "sees it all"...he/she is at the center of the crime....but when do we hear it expressed that way...without meaning something more?

I just feel this means more than Kyron "seeing" the entirety of the crime against himself. I do think these words indicate information may be under consideration that Kyron saw something he shouldn't have seen.

"Kyron saw it all...was involved."

If we heard someone close to Haliegh Cummings say the same thing, would we be so quick to dismiss this as a reference to the child witnessing criminal activity just before he/she disappeared? Is it because we think Terri is not "the type" that we gloss over Desiree's words? And we can't dismiss this because there's been no intimation of criminal activity around Terri...LE relayed to Kaine that the Landscaper alleges a MFH plot. That certainly is criminal activity.

The phrase "was involved" immediately follows and re-enforces the first odd phrase. We don't think of using "involved" toward a victim usually...."Caylee saw it all...was involved."

The two odd phrases together mean something IMO...it's not just one odd choice of words one time. There are TWO phrases. I think Desiree slipped and gave us a further insight.

Desiree chokes up about seeing emails that were "sickening." Later she says "Kyron saw it all, was involved."

What could Kyron have seen? Did he run back to the truck and accidentally "get involved" in something that put him at risk...something that required calling DeDe off her job to help remedy?

I cannot get those words out of my mind.

not being rude: getting here late... but where is the link for this thread? (to support the thread title?) tia

 

[sayd]

I finally just watched the video and I agree.

I just watched it too; and I also agree....big difference (as always) in reading comments and actually going to the source.