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Here's another pic of Terri at the Hearing :






Very interesting slideshow of Terri Horman at the Hearing in the link below:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/judge_says_terri_horman_must_s.html



:twocents: Terri really looks worried ... very worried ... and she should be !

She looks defiant and angry to me. I admit, I am astounded at how aged and unkempt she looks. Looks like a person whose guilt is eating them up from the inside out, IMO.
 
Yeah, she looks sick, or drugged, or lethargic.

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I don't think TH looks worried about the proceedings at all. It was totally her choice to reassert her request to visit with her child. She has a choice and I think she made hers because she feels a bit more confident that she won't be held accountable by the criminal justice system.

But she does look like living with the guilt and suspicion had taken its toll. There's something else as well:
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Kind of reminds me of another face we've seen:
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There's just something about these women. DS looked smug. TH doesn't look smug to me. But they both look incredibly devious and sneaky, IMO. It's the angle of the face - the sidelong glance.

I think DS likely hasn't told all she knows and never will. But I am so struck by her similarity to TH:
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While I too was shocked at the difference in TH's appearance, she looks very angry to me. It might be the cameras that are making her mad for all I know.

But she sure does look like she's very mean and I personally think Kyron saw her look even more angry. :tears:

This is my personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Websleuths LLC
 
I don't think TH looks worried about the proceedings at all. It was totally her choice to reassert her request to visit with her child. She has a choice and I think she made hers because she feels a bit more confident that she won't be held accountable by the criminal justice system.

But she does look like living with the guilt and suspicion had taken its toll. There's something else as well:
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Kind of reminds me of another face we've seen:
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There's just something about these women. DS looked smug. TH doesn't look smug to me. But they both look incredibly devious and sneaky, IMO. It's the angle of the face - the sidelong glance.

I think DS likely hasn't told all she knows and never will. But I am so struck by her similarity to TH:
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Yes, Gitana, when I saw these most recent pictures of DS it struck me more than ever how similar her "look" is to TH's. Definitely spooky to me. I always thought TH probably manipulated and took advantage of DS (just a gut feeling) and while I do think DS knows more than she will ever say (and who knows what threats TH has in her pocket) I also wonder if she may have done or covered something up unwittingly, as well.

These women seem to have only a few "looks", at least that we've seen: angry, smug, defiant. Anything else, like sadness, fear, etc., does not seem to be in their repertoire.
 
They both appear to be enjoying the attention. Consistent for narcissism.
 
I think TH looks tired. The bags under the eyes aren't from losing one night's sleep. DS looks conceited. I think she's signed a plea bargain to save herself from prosecution, but TH hasn't got that. It's time TH told the truth. Because with DS about to squeal it will come out.
 

This is very interesting in a number of ways...I hope Kaine's attorneys prevail with proper notification. TH should be feeling even angrier and maybe a little anxious.

Also, it would be fair, that the deposition be held, since TH's attorneys keep saying that there is "no proof" of the murder for hire allegation. JMHO...:twocents:
 


Interesting! I have to say I'm fascinated by how Houze is playing this since his go-to ace ("because of the ongoing criminal investigation.....") can't be played because as far as anyone knows, there isn't an ongoing criminal investigation of the murder for hire plot. Since the landscaper isn't as far as we know directly connected to Kyron's disappearance, it looks like this will be an open subject of the divorce and custody hearing.

So it sounds like the landscaper wasn't deposed today?
 
This is very interesting in a number of ways...I hope Kaine's attorneys prevail with proper notification. TH should be feeling even angrier and maybe a little anxious.

Also, it would be fair, that the deposition be held, since TH's attorneys keep saying that there is "no proof" of the murder for hire allegation. JMHO...:twocents:

Totally! I'd think they'd be champing at the bit for the "lies" to be officially recorded.
 
TMH has made a mockery of Oregon LE, as well as the tens of thousands of us who have been feverishly praying and searching for this little boy. Apparently she feels so smug, self assured and grandiose that she has asserted herself in this latest court farce...not fearing retribution. It is my opinion only, that those jail cell doors will slam just a little extra hard and loud when this woman is finally sent to exactly where she should be for the rest of her life. Let's pray that day is coming soon.

Come on DeDe Spicher, do the right thing. Speak up!
 
I am not a lawyer; nor do I play one on TV. However I AM curious … and found this article (below) about perpetuation depositions. Interesting tactic. Thought I’d share, for the sake of discussion.

Maybe Gitana can chime in. Can a “perpetuation deposition” taken during a CIVIL case be used in a future CRIMINAL trial?

That asked: My interest went immediately to ‘All objections must be made during the deposition.’

http://www.mhgm.com/our-resources/a...-for-the-Prepared-and-Pitfalls-for-the-Unwary

“All objections must be made during the deposition.

The unique aspect of 39 I depositions that carries with it the most opportunity and risk – depending on your perspective – is the requirement that all objections be made during the deposition. “All objections to any testimony or evidence taken at the deposition shall be made at the time and noted upon the record.”
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“Courts rigorously enforce the requirement that all objections be made during the 39 I deposition and that any objection not made will be waived.”
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“The waiver of all objections not made during the 39 I deposition is a significant departure from the procedure in other depositions. The only objections that need to be made during the typical discovery deposition are objections to form and to other errors that “might be obviated, removed or cured” if an objection was promptly presented.”
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“A further nuance is that parties must object not only to questioning and testimony, but to any other “evidence taken” at the 39 I deposition. ORCP 39 I(6). We believe this means that any objections one might make at trial to an exhibit such as lack of foundation, prejudice, relevance, or hearsay need to be made as to any offending exhibits or demonstratives offered during the deposition. The failure to object will be a waiver and the 39 I exhibits will be admitted at trial.”
 
I am not a lawyer; nor do I play one on TV. However I AM curious … and found this article (below) about perpetuation depositions. Interesting tactic. Thought I’d share, for the sake of discussion.

Maybe Gitana can chime in. Can a “perpetuation deposition” taken during a CIVIL case be used in a future CRIMINAL trial?

That asked: My interest went immediately to ‘All objections must be made during the deposition.’

http://www.mhgm.com/our-resources/a...-for-the-Prepared-and-Pitfalls-for-the-Unwary

“All objections must be made during the deposition.

The unique aspect of 39 I depositions that carries with it the most opportunity and risk – depending on your perspective – is the requirement that all objections be made during the deposition. “All objections to any testimony or evidence taken at the deposition shall be made at the time and noted upon the record.”
….
“Courts rigorously enforce the requirement that all objections be made during the 39 I deposition and that any objection not made will be waived.”
…
“The waiver of all objections not made during the 39 I deposition is a significant departure from the procedure in other depositions. The only objections that need to be made during the typical discovery deposition are objections to form and to other errors that “might be obviated, removed or cured” if an objection was promptly presented.”
…
“A further nuance is that parties must object not only to questioning and testimony, but to any other “evidence taken” at the 39 I deposition. ORCP 39 I(6). We believe this means that any objections one might make at trial to an exhibit such as lack of foundation, prejudice, relevance, or hearsay need to be made as to any offending exhibits or demonstratives offered during the deposition. The failure to object will be a waiver and the 39 I exhibits will be admitted at trial.”

I've never heard of this kind of depo and I'm not sure if we have such a thing in California. It doesn't make much sense to me. Any civil deposition can be used to impeach a witness who says something different at a later trial, whether criminal or civil. I don;t think the landscaper plans on going anywhere soon or dying or anything, so it certainly does appear that this is a tactic done to have TH's team locked into the objections they make now, instead of during testimony by the same witness at a later trial. Very perceptive catch, Shadowboy.

I myself can't picture what that would like like, meaning what kind of objections they would not think of until a criminal trial, and thus might miss. But criminal law ain't my thing. My trials are vastly different. less complex, before a judge only and much more relaxed when it comes to the rules of evidence, in general. But something is up. They can foresee something (both sides), thus the attempt and the kicking and screaming from TH's attorneys.

This may be a level of gamesmanship far beyond what I'm used to.
 
Another week where Kyron is missing. Love to Desiree, who I honestly believe is the strongest woman in the world.
 
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