LA - ***ARREST*** Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette, 19 May 2012 #36

[Ana Banana]

One reason I can think of is because are any of these people psychologists?
I've seen borderline, sociopath, psychopath thrown around but are the people usng the terms certified to use those terms? There's a lot more that goes into diagnosing someone that just perceived behavior by people who have never met BSL or who do not have any training.

How many people on here are cops, detectives, etc? One verified. Same principle about other poster's comments. (actually, ACI did mention that it is good to get a profile on the suspect) These are opinions...just like 60% of the other comments on here. I don't think you need a degree to brainstorm...if so I think we would still be on thread #1, not #36. I have read quite a bit on the subject, and though I am not a psychologist...I think I can bring it up as an interesting theory to think about. No one ever said triggers are definitely what happened. When I post ideas I have respect for the readers in that they are intelligent enough to take and leave what they want.

 

[Backwoods]

Hey, if there are any corrections/additions that need to be made to the timeline, please let me know!

megsy, just haven't taken the opportunity before now to say a great big thanks, way beyond the "thanks" button, for all your ongoing work on the timeline. It's such a great help to have handy -- you've done a super job on it!


:tyou: :tyou: :tyou:

 

[StreetcarRider]

They stated that he did not need to be admitted to the hospital.

Can you please provide a link for that? The only word I've seen from Ochsner is that Lavergne's injuries were "non-life threatening."

The JPSO report contradicts the idea that Lavergne didn't need to be admitted to the hospital by stating "I was escorted to ____ hospital room, where he was being temporarily held for observation."

It's my understanding that Ochsner requires an admission assessment for every patient transferred from the emergency room to another area of the hospital, regardless of the duration of time that patient is expected to remain in the hospital.

 

[CajunSarah]

I was just wondering if BSL's biological family had people incarcerated. I have a friend who was adopted and found out a little about her birth mother. She sort of latched on and identified with her. Her bio mom got pregnant in her teens and so did she. Her bio mon was killed in a car accident a few years later, and my friend drove very recklessly (speeding through red light after red light). It's almost as if she felt it was her destiny. Her adoptive family was so opposite of that.

I can't imagine that BSL's adoptive mom not wanting a relationship with him, coupled by his being ostracized and bullied in high school had to have impacted him.

Of course, if he was the product of rape, that would speak volumes, especially if he was aware of that.

One more question, I know kids in high school can be cruel. I had a rough time in junior high myself. However, as we mature, we often get beyond that and chalk it up to kid stuff. Did BSL have any friends/buddies/co-workers/family that he hung out with and considered friends? What was his relationship like with his adoptive mom and brother? Just curious about his support system.

What type of girls did he date? Doesn't seem like he had trouble getting ladies as an adult.

 

[Peazzzer]

Thanks to you all for keeping us up to date on this.

I carry a pocket knife with me that latches like a switch blade, but not at big. I always have one in my purse or my pocket. A lot of women I know carry them, I collect them as they are handy.

I think this Brandon guy knows what he is looking at and just does not care. He may be relieved that it is all over for him. Bungling or not, I don't think this is his first one to disappear.

I keep checking in, hoping she is found. :sad:

 

[jujube]

Can you please provide a link for that? The only word I've seen from Ochsner is that Lavergne's injuries were "non-life threatening."

The JPSO report contradicts the idea that Lavergne didn't need to be admitted to the hospital by stating "I was escorted to ____ hospital room, where he was being temporarily held for observation."

It's my understanding that Ochsner requires an admission assessment for every patient transferred from the emergency room to another area of the hospital, regardless of the duration of time that patient is expected to remain in the hospital.

It's stated in the officer's report towards the bottom of page 4:

http://klfy.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/JPSOCrimeReport.pdf

 

[Foxfire]

http://voices.yahoo.com/cheating-death-row-chelsea-king-amber-dubois-killer-7139210.html

This article (even though it is from yahoo) gives a fair summation of John Gardner, the convicted murdered, who killed Chelsea King and Amber DuBois. He did admit to killing Amber and taking LE to her body, in order to avoid the death penalty.

It also states how in court, when another victim who escaped was indicating that she hit him during the attack, he reacted angrily in court, and could be seen to tell his lawyer "she didn't hit me".

This is how I see BL...JMO. He will be unwillingly to admit Mickey injured him, even if she did manage to do so. The difference is, I don't think he will say where she is, because John Gardner was already "in it" for Chelsea's murder, or he would not have done so either, IMO. Amber was his bargaining chip. In Mickey's case, if she is not found, he will stick to playing the innocent victim.

Pic says a thousand words, cluciano63...and a video speaks volumes about Gardner's other self...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzbX08KilWo"]John Gardner Shows His True Face - YouTube[/ame]

During his sentencing of the murders of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, John Gardener faced a victim of his that got away by fighting back.
She asked him, "How is your nose".. She had elbowed him in his nose & was able to escape his wrath...Her dad was a champion kick boxer and taught her self defense..
At the end of her statement Gardner showed the face he has hidden from us since he was arrested. This is what those young girls saw last before they died.

 

[IMPondering]

I can't say anything about the case as I shouldn't have revealed the info about the stabbing in NOLA. after 45 min of the post, every news outlet had gotten medical records and blasted the news everywhere. But I'm willing to answer basic questions

I also wanted to thank you for your input on this forum, valuable insights.

The information about his injuries and treatment in NOLA were already on CajunNet. You posting may have sped up the time the other news outlets picked it up, but it was only a matter of time.

 

[StreetcarRider]

It's stated in the officer's report towards the bottom of page 4:

http://klfy.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/JPSOCrimeReport.pdf

I think I'm missing something.

The fourth paragraph from the bottom on page four states that Lavergne was expected to be "released from the hospital shortly," not that Lavergne was not admitted.

 

[TLS51]

I also don't understand why anyone, including LE, would expect or even think that BL might tell where Mickey is; random non-related killers seldom do, at least not until faced with the DP and not always then. A person who could commit such a crime, regardless of motive or how it began, and then hide the body in such a way that it seems almost impossible to find, is unlikely to decide that the feelings of her family are important.

Unlikely but not impossible...Gary Micheal Hilton led police to Meredith Emerson's remains within days of being arrested on charges of kidnapping and murder in relation to her disappearance...he did this in exchange for them taking the DP off the table...and IIRC before any indictment had been handed down. IMO there are many similarities between the two cases.

 

[Wishbone]

Can you please provide a link for that? The only word I've seen from Ochsner is that Lavergne's injuries were "non-life threatening."

The JPSO report contradicts the idea that Lavergne didn't need to be admitted to the hospital by stating "I was escorted to ____ hospital room, where he was being temporarily held for observation."

It's my understanding that Ochsner requires an admission assessment for every patient transferred from the emergency room to another area of the hospital, regardless of the duration of time that patient is expected to remain in the hospital.

Lavergne was treated at the hospital and released.


http://www.wafb.com/story/19020031/...t-hospital-hours-after-shunicks-disappearance

 

[KateB]

~J Bean and anyone else that might know...
Avid biker, frequent biker, young female bikers etc...

Forget about "in the event you are attacked" mace talk etc...
A cell phone is great! Would it be wise to bike at 2am the
distance Mickey went without some kind of repair/tool/emergency kit?

Even a minimal one?

I don't know what "type" of biking she did,
but I heard that she participated in biking events.

I like your thinking. And remember that the Tulane criminologist said she was known to carry a sharp object. This may not conflict with BW's statement of no knowledge of Mickey carrying a sharp weapon. I wonder if BW considered a tool kit.

 

[cluciano63]

Unlikely but not impossible...Gary Micheal Hilton led police to Meredith Emerson's remains within days of being arrested on charges of kidnapping and murder in relation to her disappearance...he did this in exchange for them taking the DP off the table...and IIRC before any indictment had been handed down. IMO there are many similarities between the two cases.

I know, but BL has refused to talk to LE at all.
When it comes down to the DP, maybe he will decide to cooperate. But that could be a long ways off, before he feels actual pressure. Right now, he probably feels like he is in pretty good shape, especially if he knows she won't be found.

(Is anyone else having trouble with WS, getting connected this afternoon?)

 

[IMPondering]

On Page 3 in the narrative (from above-noted link) of the crime report, the JPSO reporting officer wrote:

“Upon arrival to the hospital, I was advised by security personnel that the victim (BSL) had just been interviewed by detectives from the New Orleans Police Department in reference to the incident.”

"I then asked (BSL) if he had any recollection of the location of the incident, however (BSL) said he had just spent two hours explaining to the detectives with N.O.P.D. that he did not remember anything about the location where he was attacked.”

[BBM.....Translation: Look I just spent 10 minutes talking to NOPD and giving them very little information, and I'm not telling you much either.

 

[Backwoods]

One reason I can think of is because are any of these people psychologists?
I've seen borderline, sociopath, psychopath thrown around but are the people usng the terms certified to use those terms? There's a lot more that goes into diagnosing someone that just perceived behavior by people who have never met BSL or who do not have any training.

I thanked your post, and meant it, but need to add: The terms you mention are part of the English language and, IMO, no one has to be certified to use them. I do agree on the hazards of "online diagnosis", though, for sure!

 

[JBean]

I think I'm missing something.

The fourth paragraph from the bottom on page four states that Lavergne was expected to be "released from the hospital shortly," not that Lavergne was not admitted.

I believe that "temporarily held for observation"+ "treated and released"+"released from hospital shortly" are all in reference to his ER visit and it is safe to conclude he was not admitted to the hospital main floors.

 

[katydid23]

I really do think he was sleeping through some of this time. Not because it is logical but because he probably needed to clear his head and think freshly.

It is not a fact he was drinking but if he had been intoxicated, he may have had no choice but to sleep it off a little.

Back to my drinking days... I was always a casual drinker but on the occasion I did drink I really made it count. One late night I for whatever reason washed some glasses and cut my finger very badly when the glass broke. It definitely needed stitches. I was so intoxicated and tired that I would have never made it to the hospital so I wrapped it up really well and slept for a few hours.

Not the same as murdering someone I know but if you are that intoxicated you just tell yourself that it has to wait until the next day.

But one of our verified ' insiders' just posted that Brandon did not drink. He disliked drinking and even broke up with a woman who drank too much for his liking.

 

[JBean]

I like your thinking. And remember that the Tulane criminologist said she was known to carry a sharp object. This may not conflict with BW's statement of no knowledge of Mickey carrying a sharp weapon. I wonder if BW considered a tool kit.

My 2 cents on carrying protection. My protection is only going to help me if I can get to it. I wear a camelbak and I keep my phone and my whistle in it. But I keep my more serious protection on my person because i figure the first thing someone will do is take my pack away because that is where they figure my gear is. My tool kit, as I mentioned, is strapped under my seat and zipped closed so I cannot even imagine I could get to anything in it-even if there were something good in there. mine is something like this and if I could get to it-in a pinch it would help-but overall not very intimidating:
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B004ZDL2WI/ref=dp_otherviews_z_1?ie=UTF8&img=1&s=sporting-goods"]Topeak Ii Survival Tool Wedge Pack with Fixer 25: Amazon.com: Sports & Outdoors@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Hdenq7PPL.@@AMEPARAM@@41Hdenq7PPL[/ame]

But, if I were hit from behind my first impulse- if I could think straight-would not be that I needed to defend myself because I would ASSume it was not done intentionally. So, I don't think that I would scramble for my tool kit or anything else inaccessible because not sure I would perceive the need.

IMO,whether she had something on her or not she got to it later-either it was in her pocket or she got it from him. I do believe she used something to harm him because imo it is too big of a coincidence that he is wounded after all this and she wasn't involved. I think she did it and I think she had it in her pocket or got it in his truck.

 

[jujube]

I think I'm missing something.

The fourth paragraph from the bottom on page four states that Lavergne was expected to be "released from the hospital shortly," not that Lavergne was not admitted.

No, no, I meant it stated he did not need to be admitted.

 

[gngr~snap]

How many people on here are cops, detectives, etc? One verified. Same principle about other poster's comments. (actually, ACI did mention that it is good to get a profile on the suspect) These are opinions...just like 60% of the other comments on here. I don't think you need a degree to brainstorm...if so I think we would still be on thread #1, not #36. I have read quite a bit on the subject, and though I am not a psychologist...I think I can bring it up as an interesting theory to think about. No one ever said triggers are definitely what happened. When I post ideas I have respect for the readers in that they are intelligent enough to take and leave what they want.

Spot on! ...
A trigger didn't definitely happen but most likely did.
It's not a "theory" or a "science" but
it's a fact that in SEX OFFENDER TREATMENT PROGRAMS

RELAPSE PREVENTION teaches them how to avoid
common things that TRIGGER an offender.

Just like what would trigger an alcoholic or a drug abuser to relapse.

Studies have shown-

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
For people in a high-risk group the odds of relapse are still about 50/50.

It's heads or tails.

Not rock, paper, scissors
Not pick a # between 1 & 10
Not pick a card any card.


It hasn't changed much to my knowledge...

Treatment just doesn't help half of offenders and has not proven to ensure the safety of others.

BRODY, A. L. & GREEN. R. (1994). Washington State's unscientific approach to the problem of repeat sex offenders. Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law 22, 343-356.

"We conclude that the Washington State law is unscientific, because the available treatments are not adequate to ensure future safety and because the law selects poor candidates for treatment"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7841506