Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

Safety from who? She applied for bail so she doesn't appear to be afraid of anyone outside.

I'm curious about this too. Do you have a link please, as I must have missed it? I knew the lawyer said she was going to apply, but I wasn't aware it had happened yet. The last I heard was that, because it would have to take place in the Superior Court, it would be awhile, and that the Crown was going to argue against it.

TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

Thanks to Matou for posting this link in the proper thread.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2014/05/will-christina-noudga-charged-as-an-accessory-in-the-tim-bosma-murder-get-bail.html

That answers the question of CN's bail. They have NOT yet applied for bail.

 

[Variant]

Globe article on Shawn Lerner's meeting with Millard:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

 

[matou]

Globe article on Shawn Lerner's meeting with Millard:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

Great article. They met up on July 27th, 2012 at a Starbucks for about 5 minutes only. DM was "in a hurry." During that time, DM denies he spoke with LB at all until Lerner shows him the phone bill.

Mr. Millard was waiting on the patio when Mr. Lerner arrived at the Starbucks in a Chapters across from Square One mall in Mississauga on July 27, 2012. He was clearly in a hurry; there was no time to engage in small talk or for Mr. Lerner to get a coffee.

Throughout their conversation, which lasted less than five minutes, Mr. Millard was “calm” and “pretty collected” and even “cocky” as he acknowledged speaking by phone with Ms. Babcock, Mr. Lerner recalled.

DM was the one who suggested that they speak in person rather than via text and he suggested they meet up that day or the next, not like he was putting it off. I think once he saw the phone bill things changed. He did take off for a trip to Croatia and Greece with friends soon afterwards. I forget the dates we found, early August, IIRC. I will try to see if there is a date in late July too.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

 

[Alethea Dice]

Great article. They met up on July 27th, 2012 at a Starbucks for about 5 minutes only. DM was "in a hurry." During that time, DM denies he spoke with LB at all until Lerner shows him the phone bill.

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“First, he denies all the calls: ‘Maybe we spoke once or twice, but definitely not eight times.’ Flat-out denies it,” Mr. Lerner recalled.

I don't read that as DM denied speaking with her at all. He admitted talking to her once or twice, just not eight times.

I'm always a little surprised to read that SL didn't know about the drugs, or the escort service, or the "sexual relationship" with DM until after he started looking for her.

JMO

 

[matou]

Strangely, DM doesn't immediately deny to Lerner that he had communicated with LB via phone after Lerner sends a Millard a text telling him so:

He also sent a text message to Mr. Millard, who he had met a couple of times, mentioning that Ms. Babcock’s last eight outgoing phone calls – lasting just a minute or two on July 2 and 3 – were to him.

Mr. Millard sent a brief reply, obtained by The Globe and Mail: “Heard about that, don’t know where she is.”

After Mr. Lerner sent three more texts pleading for information, Mr. Millard replied: “Doesn’t sum up into a text message, shall we grab a coffee later today or tomorrow?”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

 

[Woodland]

Globe article on Shawn Lerner's meeting with Millard:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

SL went above and beyond trying to find a missing friend - imo his credibility should be the same until proven otherwise.

 

[ABro]

I have seen the texts. DM was clearly very concerned that Lerner had the phone bills. He immediately proposed a meeting for later that day or the next.

I think he had forgotten about the existence of the phone bills until Lerner showed up with them. That might explain the burner phone next alleged time round...

Also, I think Lerner has been amazing and I don't understand why people continue to try and smear him in the name of standing up for innocent until proven guilty. Molly Hayes' ebook gives some good background on lerner's relationship to Laura. He knew about the drugs and escort stuff before she disappeared. He didn't necessarily have reason to believe DM was tied to either until later on.

 

[matou]

ABro: do you think there is a tie-in to escort stuff in LB's case?

 

[Arnie M]

It is obvious records show LB made several phone calls to DM

What is not so obvious is whether DM actually answered those calls .... they could have gone to a message system or a recording

If you dial a number and no one answers you do not get billed for the call

But even if an answering system opens the call and you hang up , the call gets billed at a one minute minimum

Most of LB's calls were billed for one minute

Only one of the 8 final calls to DM was for 2 minutes

3 days earlier (july 1) there was a 23 minute call

In other words I think only 2 of 9 calls actually connected .... unless they had very brief conversations under 60 seconds

sorry for the poor quality picture ...

 

[matou]

Arnie, you mean July 1st. Interesting, I wonder what he was up to on Canada Day that year?

 

[ABro]

ABro: do you think there is a tie-in to escort stuff in LB's case?

I have not heard anything to indicate DM was involved in the escort business. A friend of Laura's told me it was one of L's girlfriends who got her into it.

As for drugs, that seems to have begun or stepped up with the arrival of Smich. Before that, DM mostly hung with a group of slightly younger neighbourhood guys. THey partied at his house, played video games on the multiple giant screens and swam at the pool.

Some of these guys stopped going to the house because they found Smich a "" and the parties were becoming more and more about drugs. That's all I know for sure.

 

[Arnie M]

Arnie, you mean July 1st. Interesting, I wonder what he was up to on Canada Day that year?

Yes ... I fixed the date .... good point about Canada day

Further to the calls .... I actually side with DM when he said .... ‘Maybe we spoke once or twice, but definitely not eight times.’ ... that is exactly how the bill looks to me.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/what-if-game-haunts-babcock-friend/article18832997/

As a side note .... it appears LB would make a flurry of calls (to whomever) , only a few minutes apart , as though trying to reach anyone who would answer.

The day she was dialing DM is like that also.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Also, I think Lerner has been amazing and I don't understand why people continue to try and smear him in the name of standing up for innocent until proven guilty. Molly Hayes' ebook gives some good background on lerner's relationship to Laura. He knew about the drugs and escort stuff before she disappeared. He didn't necessarily have reason to believe DM was tied to either until later on.

Who is trying to smear SL? If this is directed at me, you have clearly read something into my post that simply isn't there. He seemed like a very good friend to LB. He tried to help her, he searched for her, he went to the police. I simply don't understand why she wouldn't have confided in him. Everything I've read stated that he did not know about the drugs and escort business until after she went missing. Even on the Find Laura FB page, he said he didn't know when those started and that the first he'd heard of either was in talking to her friends after her disappearance. If you think something different, that is entirely up to you. But I seriously don't see how her not confiding in him is in any way "smearing him".

JMO

 

[hopingforjustice]

It is obvious records show LB made several phone calls to DM

What is not so obvious is whether DM actually answered those calls .... they could have gone to a message system or a recording

If you dial a number and no one answers you do not get billed for the call

But even if an answering system opens the call and you hang up , the call gets billed at a one minute minimum

Most of LB's calls were billed for one minute

Only one of the 8 final calls to DM was for 2 minutes

3 days earlier (july 1) there was a 23 minute call

In other words I think only 2 of 9 calls actually connected .... unless they had very brief conversations under 60 seconds

sorry for the poor quality picture ...

Too bad those phone records don't show who the incoming calls were from...

Also curious about that last check to her voice mail. I sure hope LE were able to retrieve that message..

 

[ABro]

Who is trying to smear SL? If this is directed at me, you have clearly read something into my post that simply isn't there. He seemed like a very good friend to LB. He tried to help her, he searched for her, he went to the police. I simply don't understand why she wouldn't have confided in him. Everything I've read stated that he did not know about the drugs and escort business until after she went missing. Even on the Find Laura FB page, he said he didn't know when those started and that the first he'd heard of either was in talking to her friends after her disappearance. If you think something different, that is entirely up to you. But I seriously don't see how her not confiding in him is in any way "smearing him".

JMO

Ok I went back and listened to an old intvu with SL. He says he didn't find out about the drugs, escort service and Laura's and Dellen's involvement until after he got the phone bill so I misspoke.

He also said that DM never said he supplied Laura with drugs, just that Laura had asked for drugs.

Other friends told him Laura had been using for about six months but he had not seen any evidence of this.


Re smearing, the idea that Laura hadn't confided in SL has been brought up before in an attempt to discredit Him: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard and Mark Smich charged with Murder in the First Degree

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard and Mark Smich charged with Murder in the First Degree

 

[Snoofo]

Ok I went back and listened to an old intvu with SL. .....
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He also said that DM never said he supplied Laura with drugs, just that Laura had asked for drugs.

I never understood why SL also said this during what I believe was one of his first interviews:

Lerner said Millard denied receiving Babcock’s calls until he showed him Babcock’s phone record. Millard then told him that Babcock had developed a drug problem and that he had been supplying her with cocaine for months.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-probe-link-between-bosma-suspect-missing-woman-1.1286814

Did he or didn't he?

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[Snoofo]

For the record I have no problem with SL. If he weren't pro active Laura's disappearance may have remained a dismissal by police.

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[ABro]

I never understood why SL also said this during what I believe was one of his first interviews:

Lerner said Millard denied receiving Babcock’s calls until he showed him Babcock’s phone record. Millard then told him that Babcock had developed a drug problem and that he had been supplying her with cocaine for months.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-probe-link-between-bosma-suspect-missing-woman-1.1286814

Did he or didn't he?

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I listened to a tape of an interview I did with SL. He said CTV was inaccurate. DM did not tell SL that he had supplied Laura with drugs for months.

 

[robynhood]

..Bottom line..JMHO...Dm was charged with Lauria's dealth..I would believe that there is forensic evidence to conclude these charges.. and I also think that the proof will be shown in our ONT . court of law at the trial...amen... RIP Laura...time shall show us all the TRUTH..JMHO..robynhood