Laura Babcock Murder Trial 12.12.17 - Final Charge - *Verdict Watch*

[winter2017]

Lisa Hepfner said that she will let everyone know as soon as the jury comes back for the verdict she even said it could happen in an hour.
One person wants to be in the courtroom for the verdict.
I think the jury will give enough time to allow people to be there.
I don't want to see the scums faces would not want to be there.

 

[clefk27]

BBM - if I recall correctly, SS and the FIL had a falling out after this occurred. Which, imo, leads me to suspect that SS knew a h*ll of a lot more than he testified to.

Working for DM was SS's dream job and DM was his meal ticket. DM even offered to build a second house on the farm for SS so he could putter around with engines out there to his heart's content. SS's approach with DM was 'don't ask, don't tell'. The FIL had a conscience and some integrity. He was not a blood relative of SS which may explain SS's lack of either quality. But that doesn't make SS a murderer (although, arguably, he was an accessory before and after the fact).

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Millard says #LauraBabcock claimed to be going to Montreal for work, and wonders why police didn't check Montreal. He says witnesses did not see Laura Babcock with a red bag, because that one was from a different period of time. Millard wonders if she got bad drugs?

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
13s13 seconds ago
Millard submits that there are gaps in the crown's case, like the lack of evidence from his former girlfriend Christina Noudga. He says Marlena Meneses is the "least credible and least reliable witness of all." Her story changes, she lies. #LauraBabcock

 

[meterclicks]

Code continues reading Millard's position.

"What about Christina Noudga? What is the main concern of the letter I wrote her? Drugs, OD'ing, trafficking? Or what's worse than trafficking? Importing? Only draw an inference if it's the only reasonable inference to draw, otherwise, you're just guessing."

"The Crown points to the part 'that was brainstorming, forget it' and asks you to infer what that means the letter is untrue. But does it? Or does it mean the letter is true, so don't repeat it. You don't know because you haven't heard from Noudga."
by Shannon Martin 12:57 PM

 

[winter2017]

I agree with what you are saying, but I think CN might have meant have fun using the incinerator, and burning the body. It is possible that DM's night time trip to CN's Camp involved showing her the body of LB, which pleased her, and made her feel warm and cared for, as she implied when DM said he would first hurt Laura, them make her go away. I also remember MS saying about Tim Bosma to MM that he was gone, gone, gone. If anyone encouraged and motivated DM to kill poor Laura, it was CN. She should be on trial for M1 as well. She defint IMO

she definitely should be on trial for M1. I think it is very reasonable to believe he did show her the dead body. They are both so sick and demented that it is not a stretch at all. It makes me feel sick she was working with children.
With her conviction now she won't be allowed to work with children.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
30s30 seconds ago
Millard relies on Shane Schlatman's testimony about garbage incineration, and pet cremation which he says are the legitimate uses of the large animal incinerator. Schlatman refilled the propane tanks on the machine twice. Amounting to 10-15 hours and 1000 lbs of material to burn

 

[Sphinx]

On the night the Crown argues Babcock was murdered, Code reads, "Mr. Millard and Babcock's phones were both at Maple Gate. Although together in the same house, Millard and Smich do not text each other until 12:40 a.m. after midnight on July 4. The phone records show they communicated via text message even while in the same house."

"Neither of them used their phones at all during this timeframe. They were together and they were busy. It is submitted they were hurting and killing Laura Babcock, just as Millard promised Noudga he'd do."
by Shannon Martin 12:45 PM

I have always suspected that they may have taken the opportunity to make a snuff film, but it has never been found -- at least not yet. IMO

 

[meterclicks]

Code now talks about Millard's view, and his expert witness, Dr. Rufolo.

"Don't be mislead. The Crown brought you a court savvy anthropologist Dr. Rogers, to convince you that the deer bones looked human. But when it came to the deer bone from her own report, she didn't know a distel end from a proximal end."
by Shannon Martin 1:01 PM

 

[meterclicks]

Code concludes Millard's position:

"This case is full of reasonable doubt. In Canadian courts, gaps in the evidence can also lead to reasonable doubt. And the Crown's case is full of gaps in evidence. They have not met the burden of proof. Do not give the Crown the conviction they are after... Please return a guilty of not guilty."
by Shannon Martin 1:02 PM

 

[andreww]

That’s very true. Going back to your original point about MS’s request for a dog and bones being in line with a plan for a pet cremation business, I don’t see that at all. IMHO the evidence in this trial shows:

• MS wanting something wet, something with bones, and then requesting a dog in the context of testing the incinerator.
• MS standing happily in front of the incinerator as it’s burning. He finally got what he wanted.
• MS writing lyrics about a b!tch laying on ashy stone.
• MS confessing to his buddies about killing a girl and burning her body.

Even if someone doesn’t think MS was physically present for LB’s murder, they might still conclude that MS helped plan it and encouraged it so that he would have material for the incinerator. I.e. LB became the wet thing with bones in it. When MS asked for the dog, DM probably replied, “patience negro, I know just the right thing.” And then they drove out to the titty bar where they discussed killIng LB.

The pet cremation business is such a silly notion to me that I don’t give it much, if any weight. MS clearly had a deeper interest and involvement in the project than burning pets. He simply wasn’t interested in or capable of doing legitimate work. The texts in this trial show he wanted more than anything to be a rapper, and the only raps we heard in this trial were quite sinister and in line with the events of LB’s murder and cremation.

No matter how stupid the pet cremation business was, Millard told that to his IT buddy who later related the story to Millards uncle. That is solid evidence that Millard was floating this story to at least some people. We really don't have any evidence to support a theory that Millard confided to Smich that the incinerator was for humans, so technically the comments from Smich could go either way. Does he look happy in front of that machine? Sure he does, but it was just a dead body at that point and we don't know what Millard had promised him for his participation. Recording equipment? Cadillac? So is he smiling because he loves burning bodies or is he smiling because he just hit pay dirt?

 

[redwing7225]

Working for DM was SS's dream job and DM was his meal ticket. DM even offered to build a second house on the farm for SS so he could putter around with engines out there to his heart's content. SS's approach with DM was 'don't ask, don't tell'. The FIL had a conscience and some integrity. He was not a blood relative of SS which may explain SS's lack of either quality. But that doesn't make SS a murderer (although, arguably, he was an accessory before and after the fact).

BBM - not once did I mention the name SS connected to murderer, my apologies if my statement came off as such.
My opinion is this...meal ticket, money to live, cars, fancy extras...none of that matters if you have value and respect for human life. The old saying "birds of a feather..." certainly rings true with this crowd. There's no way that DM and MS were the only two people that knew of the ***** that was going on. Lets not forget about the theft missions and how many people were involved with that. DM and MS got caught...the others should be thanking their lucky stars.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Millard submits that Rufalo was more credible than forensic anthropologist Tracy Rogers, because she mis-labeled the ends of a deer bone. Rufalo is more knowledgeable about animal bones, Millard says. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
43s44 seconds ago
Millard says this case if full of reasonable doubt and the crown has not met their burden of proof. He asks for a verdict of not guilty. #LauraBabcock

 

[puppyraiser]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
30s30 seconds ago
Millard relies on Shane Schlatman's testimony about garbage incineration, and pet cremation which he says are the legitimate uses of the large animal incinerator. Schlatman refilled the propane tanks on the machine twice. Amounting to 10-15 hours and 1000 lbs of material to burn

He refilled the tank TWICE? first fill for LB, one refill for TB so who/what was the first refill for?

 

[redheart]

Thank you, Kamille and meterclicks! :loveyou:

 

[meterclicks]

Code moves onto Dungey's position, he's the lawyer for Mark Smich.

"In 2011-2013, Ms. Babcock was spiralling out of control. She did not want to live with her parents. She was suffering from a mental illness, even hearing voices controlling her thoughts. She was cutting herself, banging her head against the wall," Code reads.

"She thought about suicide. She was addicted to cocaine. She was working in the dangerous escorting industry, and was not following safety protocols."
by Shannon Martin 1:05 PM

 

[dar107]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
3m3 minutes ago
So how does the jury apply the burden of proof when addressing the conflict in the evidence? They assess credibility and reliability of all the evidence they heard, including the exculpatory evidence. #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
The onus is on the crown to prove the offence charged, beyond a reasonable doubt, or one of the lesser included offences. The defence relies on evidence that #LauraBabcock may still be alive or may have been killed by someone else or by misadventure.

It appears that both of them are being lumped into one defence?

RBBM

Maybe I missed it, but Judge Code went over the crowns case, and DM's defense...but did he go over TD defense of MS?

 

[meterclicks]

Code continues Dungey/Smich's position:

"If Mr. Millard did kill Ms. Babcock, he did not need Mr. Smich's assistance. It was Mr. Millard who purchased the incinerator and the gun. If the blue tarp contained the body of Ms. Babcock, Mr. Millard alone transported it to the farm, demonstrating he would not have needed Mr. Smich's assistance to dispose of the body as alleged."
by Shannon Martin 1:07 PM

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
Smich's defence is that the crown has not proven #LauraBabcock is dead. Four witnesses thought they saw her after her disappearance. It's easy to get a new phone, "especially if she wished to disappear."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
2m2 minutes ago
If #LauraBabcock is dead, it was not at the hands of the accused, Smich's lawyer contends. She was living a risky lifestyle, and planned to meet two unknown men about the escort business.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
1m1 minute ago
Smich was not part of any alleged love triangle, and there is no evidence he was aware of any alleged love triangle. His girlfriend Marlena Meneses had never heard of #LauraBabcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
35s35 seconds ago
If #Millard killed #LauraBabcock, he did not need #Smich assistance, Smich says. Millard and Smich burned a deer that night at the hangar. "That girl" is a reference to drugs, MDMA or molly. It wasn't unusual for them to ask Marlena Meneses to step outside or wait in the car.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
1m1 minute ago
Police searched #Smich house without taking the #LauraBabcock suitcase, until the second time they searched months later. If he were guilty, Smich would have gotten rid of that suitcase.

 

[andreww]

I have always suspected that they may have taken the opportunity to make a snuff film, but it has never been found -- at least not yet. IMO

People can imagine all they want. Did they torture her? Good question. But was WM in a bedroom down the hall at the time? Lets not forget his van was in the driveway, and as he had accessibility issues, how could he be somewhere else? IMO this murder was quick and quite, likely done before Millard went for his drive.