LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[ZsaZsa]

My personal feeling is that whatever happened to Lisa was unintentional. That said, I'm loathe to call it an accident...more like criminal child endangerment.

JMO

If your conscience is clear there is no reason to lie about an accident....

 

[Sammiejam]

The woods aren't really close to the crime scene at all! Its near where the man said he saw someone walking with a baby but so blimin' what? It sure looked pretty busy in that gas station at 2am, there were people and cars everywhere while that "MAN WALKED NEAR WOODS".

(Caps are for sarcasm lol.)

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If your conscience is clear there is no reason to lie about an accident....

Would your conscience be clear if you got stone cold drunk and accidently killed your kid?

Mine wouldn't.

 

[Rooster27]

Would your conscience be clear if you got stone cold drunk and accidently killed your kid?

Mine wouldn't.

my thoughts too.

Also there are two other children involved that you would like to retain custody of. I guess she only has custody of one, but she is the caretaker of the other in the same house. Correct me here, if i am wrong. Seems a reason to make the intruder theory up. A big reason. You're engaged, to someone that makes a living. There is a lifestyle, a future, a relationship that is at risk by admitting you neglected your child. She says she may have been too drunk to know what the H*** may have been happening in the house as far as "sounds" She admits this on the air, but says it doesn't have anything to do with her daughter going missing. Sarcasm..... so, I'm too drunk to hear anything, but i didn't neglect my sick baby, and gee, she disappeared. Why admit something that points to negligence when you are afraid of the ramifications of being an unfit parent. I suppose unfit parent is better than being accused of murder. MOO.

 

[Tuffy]

I hate that the family's lawyers and reps are focused on disputing the search warrant, the hit, the carpet, etc...everything but on the missing baby...it just sickens me to watch as they attempt to defend their case, when these supposedly innocent parents have not so much been named as POI's. JMO

I know! Again, I find it laughable that the woman who was "blacked-out" from too much to drink, disputes the findings of the FBI! She knows that Lisa was not deceased in the home, not on the floor by her bed, etc. So what happened DB? "I don't know I was blacked out! But I know she wasn't on the floor!" :waitasec:

 

[curiousc]

Just for argument sake, say DB has done something to Lisa. I've heard many comments that JI may be in on the coverup because he may have been scared to lose custody of his child.

However, that just possibly may not happen. He was working and whatever DB did was of her own actions and not his.

I take a look at Terri and Kaine and how Kaine managed to have custody of their baby, even though Kaine stated Terri drank etc. I don't think JI's son would be taken from him in this instance either unless there was absolute proof that he was very negligent himself. He's more likely to lose his child and his way of living now if he's involved in a cover-up. If he's involved, did he not think of that?

I am so torn over him and whether or not he knows what happened if DB did in fact do something to Lisa. But what I find is that he must know what happened or he wouldn't have inconsistent stories, etc.

I can't figure it out. If I came home and my hubby said they did something to one of my children, I wouldn't stand by him. No way no how. So why is he still beside DB? Is it because he helped or because he's in a huge denial?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

my thoughts too.

Also there are two other children involved that you would like to retain custody of. I guess she only has custody of one, but she is the caretaker of the other in the same house. Correct me here, if i am wrong. Seems a reason to make the intruder theory up. A big reason. You're engaged, to someone that makes a living. There is a lifestyle, a future, a relationship that is at risk by admitting you neglected your child. She says she may have been too drunk to know what the H*** may have been happening in the house as far as "sounds" She admits this on the air, but says it doesn't have anything to do with her daughter going missing. Sarcasm..... so, I'm too drunk to hear anything, but i didn't neglect my sick baby, and gee, she disappeared. Why admit something that points to negligence when you are afraid of the ramifications of being an unfit parent. I suppose unfit parent is better than being accused of murder. MOO.

BBM

Exactly, and THIS is motivation for the Dad to help cover this up, imo.

 

[pinkfly]

We heard earlier that JI was aggressive in wanting custody of his son so I agree that this would be his reason to cover her *advertiser censored**. He looks and seems overly self controlled in interviews. I just have a feeling that he might even be the brains in the ‘hiding’ part. If D was too drunk to realize what she was doing I cannot see her hide the baby this successfully.

 

[Tuffy]

Just for argument sake, say DB has done something to Lisa. I've heard many comments that JI may be in on the coverup because he may have been scared to lose custody of his child.

However, that just possibly may not happen. He was working and whatever DB did was of her own actions and not his.

I take a look at Terri and Kaine and how Kaine managed to have custody of their baby, even though Kaine stated Terri drank etc. I don't think JI's son would be taken from him in this instance either unless there was absolute proof that he was very negligent himself. He's more likely to lose his child and his way of living now if he's involved in a cover-up. If he's involved, did he not think of that?

I am so torn over him and whether or not he knows what happened if DB did in fact do something to Lisa. But what I find is that he must know what happened or he wouldn't have inconsistent stories, etc.

I can't figure it out. If I came home and my hubby said they did something to one of my children, I wouldn't stand by him. No way no how. So why is he still beside DB? Is it because he helped or because he's in a huge denial?

I don't know that I believe JI was in on it. If he was, I think the reason he would cover for DB is that he doesn't want to lose her. He seems to be under her spell or something. Let's face it, he's not a handsome man, and might have some self-esteem issues.

We see this in other cases against children, just with the roles switched. How many times do we hear about a boyfriend abusing/hurting a woman's child, and she stands by him? If it was proven that JI is in on it, I believe this would be the reason.

 

[Tuffy]

We heard earlier that JI was aggressive in wanting custody of his son so I agree that this would be his reason to cover her *advertiser censored**. He looks and seems overly self controlled in interviews. I just have a feeling that he might even be the brains in the ‘hiding’ part. If D was too drunk to realize what she was doing I cannot see her hide the baby this successfully.

I'm not so sure that I would put any stock in the story of him being the aggressor in his child custody battle. It seems like he would have been about 18 at the time. How old with this girl be? There may have been a lot of immaturity, and bad feelings at play with that.

 

[Pita]

If your conscience is clear there is no reason to lie about an accident....

Yes but her being drunk she may have though it would be classified as murder..I hate all this guessing and wish they would just give us a snippet of where this is going...

 

[curiousc]

I don't know that I believe JI was in on it. If he was, I think the reason he would cover for DB is that he doesn't want to lose her. He seems to be under her spell or something. Let's face it, he's not a handsome man, and might have some self-esteem issues.

We see this in other cases against children, just with the roles switched. How many times do we hear about a boyfriend abusing/hurting a woman's child, and she stands by him? If it was proven that JI is in on it, I believe this would be the reason.

It amazes me to see it in other cases too where one spouse stands behind the other one accused of doing something. It boggles my mind but I do know it happens. It boggles my mind how anybody can kill any person be it a child or an adult, but that happens too often as well.

Seriously, I hope that if JI knows something if, in fact, DB did something and he is not involved that his conscience will prevail.

 

[Rooster27]

Just for argument sake, say DB has done something to Lisa. I've heard many comments that JI may be in on the coverup because he may have been scared to lose custody of his child.

However, that just possibly may not happen. He was working and whatever DB did was of her own actions and not his.

I take a look at Terri and Kaine and how Kaine managed to have custody of their baby, even though Kaine stated Terri drank etc. I don't think JI's son would be taken from him in this instance either unless there was absolute proof that he was very negligent himself. He's more likely to lose his child and his way of living now if he's involved in a cover-up. If he's involved, did he not think of that?

I am so torn over him and whether or not he knows what happened if DB did in fact do something to Lisa. But what I find is that he must know what happened or he wouldn't have inconsistent stories, etc.

I can't figure it out. If I came home and my hubby said they did something to one of my children, I wouldn't stand by him. No way no how. So why is he still beside DB? Is it because he helped or because he's in a huge denial?

I was thinking more about her fear of losing everything.

But yes, this is a huge puzzlement. JI's demeanor, what he is saying, or not saying, and the reasoning.

Denial, maybe. They are engaged. At a point where they are wanting to believe in on another. Look at that poor husband of the woman driving the wrong way on the highway. Was it two years ago now? Four beautiful kids killed along with her and other innocent people. Open vodka found in the car. Incoherent on the phone, Doesn't pull over to rest, keeps driving after being told not to. The husband refuses to think it was her fault. Still. She was not drinking he says! We want to believe people we love. Who would want to believe their girlfriend was hurtful or neglectful to their baby. To most of us, it's incomprehensible. The parents of son in laws, who first stand behind them when their own daughters are missing/murdered? Until facts come out that are shocking to them.

No one wants to believe horror. Yes, it could be denial.

As far as Kaine Horman, didn't he have custody before he married Terry? And it wasn't questioned. There would have been no custody issue until after the disappearance of Kyron. Or do i not know part of that story. It was reported that Terry drank, but i do not think Desiree questioned the parenting to the point of suing for it. There was no event, until the poor child went missing.

But this is off topic and belongs on another thread, sorry.

This is a tough one to believe, that JI came home that night, and was lied to and he bought it, but it is possible. If she did something and he knew about it, he could lose his child and much more. Why should he lie, unless he did have a fear of that loss.

i still say that neither one look like parents who are frantic about their child being taken and off somewhere in the big world without them. You can't always judge a book, but their demeanor seems off to me.

I hope i made sense there.
Probably not.

JMO

 

[natsound]

Doesn't the warrant actually say the dog hit on an area of the FLOOR of the master bedroom?

 

[Donjeta]

my thoughts too.

Also there are two other children involved that you would like to retain custody of. I guess she only has custody of one, but she is the caretaker of the other in the same house. Correct me here, if i am wrong. Seems a reason to make the intruder theory up. A big reason. You're engaged, to someone that makes a living. There is a lifestyle, a future, a relationship that is at risk by admitting you neglected your child. She says she may have been too drunk to know what the H*** may have been happening in the house as far as "sounds" She admits this on the air, but says it doesn't have anything to do with her daughter going missing. Sarcasm..... so, I'm too drunk to hear anything, but i didn't neglect my sick baby, and gee, she disappeared. Why admit something that points to negligence when you are afraid of the ramifications of being an unfit parent. I suppose unfit parent is better than being accused of murder. MOO.

Maybe because you've got no choice because you got caught?
She didn't admit it in the beginning, at least not in the media.

 

[In da Middle]

LE removed a roll of carpeting. We heard the cadaver dogs hit on carpet in master bedroom. Yet, the master bedroom still has carpet. Well- what if DB replaced the carpet with another piece - so, the clicking noise the boys heard was DB tacking the new carpet down. The LE did not take the carpet currently in master bedroom, because that was the replaced piece. The roll of carpet they took was the carpet that was actually in the room that night (before replaced) that they may have found stashed somewhere in the basement or garage after DB had removed it.

The man carrying the baby most likely stopped somewhere along the way - if they can figure out who he is then need to look at his car, home, etc.

And take out all the furniture and replace it????:waitasec:

 

[curiousc]

I was thinking more about her fear of losing everything.

But yes, this is a huge puzzlement. JI's demeanor, what he is saying, or not saying, and the reasoning.

Denial, maybe. They are engaged. At a point where they are wanting to believe in on another. Look at that poor husband of the woman driving the wrong way on the highway. Was it two years ago now? Four beautiful kids killed along with her and other innocent people. Open vodka found in the car. Incoherent on the phone, Doesn't pull over to rest, keeps driving after being told not to. The husband refuses to think it was her fault. Still. She was not drinking he says! We want to believe people we love. Who would want to believe their girlfriend was hurtful or neglectful to their baby. To most of us, it's incomprehensible. The parents of son in laws, who first stand behind them when their own daughters are missing/murdered? Until facts come out that are shocking to them.

No one wants to believe horror. Yes, it could be denial.

As far as Kaine Horman, didn't he have custody before he married Terry? And it wasn't questioned. There would have been no custody issue until after the disappearance of Kyron. Or do i not know part of that story. It was reported that Terry drank, but i do not think Desiree questioned the parenting to the point of suing for it. There was no event, until the poor child went missing.

But this is off topic and belongs on another thread, sorry.

This is a tough one to believe, that JI came home that night, and was lied to and he bought it, but it is possible. If she did something and he knew about it, he could lose his child and much more. Why should he lie, unless he did have a fear of that loss.

i still say that neither one look like parents who are frantic about their child being taken and off somewhere in the big world without them. You can't always judge a book, but their demeanor seems off to me.

I hope i made sense there.
Probably not.

JMO

You made a lot of sense. I suppose the shock of it all could be what happened that night when he got home as well, and, once again, I say if DB is involved. Panic could have set in and one doesn't think straight. Perhaps he is truly believing her story that an intruder came in and took their baby. I don't know. But I do believe you are right, no one wants to believe horror and think their spouse is involved.

His demeanor is puzzling to me and so are his inconsistent statements. Which leads me to think he could covering for DB but possibly not involved in any cover-up.

Time will only tell but I hope the truth comes out very soon! I pray that this doesn't go into another cold case like so many others out there.

JMO

ETA: Terri and Kaine had a baby together and Kaine has custody of her

 

[grandmaj]

Yes page 6 of the Affidavit for warrant made a statement that an HRD dog hit on a scent in the master bedroom near the bed. But do we know if the dog(s) hit anywhere else?

http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

 

[In da Middle]

I thought that too, when I first saw it. Just a random soul, walking near a random woods. Just a souped up press story from the lawyers. But doesn't the location tie in with something? Isn't that why they are relating it? Does anyone have the location info on the woods they were searching (not the area next to their house, the search that happened days earlier) the dumpster fire, and this surveillance footage location? I am going to look back.

Yes the location and time matters because it is in direct line with both sightings and in the same possible time frame. I am not saying it is directly related, but it does fit. I am sure LE has enhanced the image and checked it out long before this came to light from the media what ever the outcome really is.

 

[sarx]

It says
"In the area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed"
so it actually doesn't say anything about carpet.