Lee Anthony's CMA reference?

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What an emotional day today has been. DH sat and watched the memorial service with me. He kept saying through the whole thing what a lovely service it was.

When it was over, he hugged me close as I cried. Then he said, pointing toward the laptop, "don't let anyone on there get you anymore upset." I've taken those words to heart. So, here's what I came up with.

Today was about Caylee. And about choices. Which memorial to attend? Whether to comment on everyone in attendance and what they looked like. Choices. I listened to Lee's comments twice. Today, I choose to not dissect every word he or anyone else said. I choose to accept him as a grieving uncle. I choose to believe his words were directed straight to Caylee, and to no one else. Am I right? I don't know. Today, I choose to not believe in codes. Or messages being passed through beautiful words that were spoken. Choices. Tomorrow? Who knows. I may have a completely different outlook on things.

Today, my choice: It is and was all about Caylee. As it should have been.


What beautiful words! And what a wonderful husband you have. Today was very emotional for me. I thought the service was beautiful and well planned.

I really wish I could give everyone here a REAL hug, but will have to settle for a VIRTUAL one! :grouphug:
 
Did LA originally have a suit coat on that may have had the Caylee button on it? Just wondering if maybe he took the coat off ... he did look a little under dressed for the occasion ??

Yes he was under-dressed and no there was no suitcoat to be seen.
 
Yep. I tried to blowup the little green pins and though blurry I could see what looked to be a shamrock and a face.

Did anyone here, from Websleuths attend the memorial????

Maybe they would know. This is driving me crazy....I wanna know what's on that button!!
 
Yes he was speaking to his sister and it was how a lovesick and heartbroken lover would speak.IMO
 
Couldn't Lee find a suit jacket to wear for Caylee's service? Why didn't he wear a Caylee pin on his shirt instead of that green shamrock tribute to KC? Even when he was sitting in the church pew he was just about falling asleep on Mallory.

Let's hope Mallory doesn't miss a dose of her birth control pills.
 
What beautiful words! And what a wonderful husband you have. Today was very emotional for me. I thought the service was beautiful and well planned.

I really wish I could give everyone here a REAL hug, but will have to settle for a VIRTUAL one! :grouphug:

Thanks, Lovejac. :blowkiss: My heart's a bit raw today, and it seems like my fingers are filled with emotion!

I know we at WS, well, sleuth. I'm just having a hard time sleuthing out this service. I wanted to be angry with all of them, but couldn't. I kept envisioning my husband and me, sitting on the front pew, in the God forsaken event anything should ever, ever happen to our grandson. And I couldn't. Today, honestly, is the first time I've felt any compassion whatsoever for the Anthony family. I may get over it by tomorrow, but today, nope.
 
Thanks, Lovejac. :blowkiss: My heart's a bit raw today, and it seems like my fingers are filled with emotion!

I know we at WS, well, sleuth. I'm just having a hard time sleuthing out this service. I wanted to be angry with all of them, but couldn't. I kept envisioning my husband and me, sitting on the front pew, in the God forsaken event anything should ever, ever happen to our grandson. And I couldn't. Today, honestly, is the first time I've felt any compassion whatsoever for the Anthony family. I may get over it by tomorrow, but today, nope.

Amen to that! I was definitely humbled today. I made a vow to myself to try my hardest to take it easy on the A's. I saw so much raw emotion and pain in all of their eyes, and then, to allow 'us, John Q. Public, to witness it, well, I'll just say I don't know if I could have done that.

I said lots of prayers for them today.
 
Truth be known, I have a lot of issues about the memorial and the whirlwind surrounding it. But again, I'm making choices today. Gotta make myself do it. I'm playing Scarlet O'Hara, and I'll think about that tomorrow. More than likely, you'll read something entirely different from me tomorrow. Besides, that gives me time to fully digest all the comments, after my emotions have cleared. And that includes Lee's.
 
imo his whole speach was directed for Casey's ears, everything seemed to stiff and studied. When both George and Cindy spoke I felt they were speaking from the heart and mourning Caylee, when Lee spoke I did feel he was just wanting to get a message in code to Casey.
I cried during the memorial for the loss of this beautiful girl, she deserved so much better and I hate that this memorial was used to try and manipulate any type of help for Casey.

If he did get a tattoo with CMA and those initials are all the same for Cindy, Casey and Caylee, imo there is just something to odd there, I would need to make it for the one I was honoring.

VB

I think everything he said was meant for KC's ears, too. I think those 2 have a very strong bond between them and he truly misses his sister. I get the sense, though, that he wants her to come clean....despite what Baez is telling her. I think all the A's recognize things will go easier on KC if she just comes clean and tells LE what happened. "I ask that you fill your heart with hope, with compassion, with truth.....and I ask that you allow your conscience to speak for you when your mind can not comprehend the right words to say."
 
I thought that Lee's use of "CMA" was a code to KC and he was speaking directly to her. I think he's upset and broken that she's angry with the family. His speech made me very uncomfortable and that's all I'll say about that.....I know this is a day of mourning and I don't want to sound disrespectful. My heart goes out to GA and CA.

As I read your post, I had a lightbulb moment...duh!...Lee says he has missed hugging CMA and I think he was trying to tell KC that she needs to agree to see him, GA and CA at the jail...I feel KC is the one who has been refusing to have a video visit, and this was Lee's way to tell KC to let them visit her, maybe because they want to try to get her to get rid of JB.
 
I am so sorry for the loss of Caylee to everyone.She didn't deserve to die,she was such a beautiful child and she had so much life ahead of her.
My heart ached for George,Cindy and Lee. I hate that Lee's speech made me feel that part of it was about Caylee and the other part was to Casey. I wish he would have just said Caylee....and listened to his own words "say what you mean,and mean what you say"
 
I thought the whole service was a wonderful tribute. So what does it matter if LA was speaking to Caylee, KC or both? If he felt that his words were the last, best chance to reach into KC's heart then who cares if that was his intent? If it gets to her and convinces her to give more information to ANYONE, or to say I'm sorry to her family for this whole mess, or I never meant to hurt her or cause anyone pain....then that is GREAT! It isn't up to any of us to decide how they should act, feel, or what facial expression they should have. Maybe LA was sleepy because he was so upset that he took some medication to calm down. Maybe he took off his jacket because it was too hot in the church and it was making him ill. Just for one day, or at least a few hours I think all of us can allow them to just be and do whatever they want or need to do.
 
"For those of us that are frightened or angry, or mournful, or that just don't understand - I ask that you fill your heart with patience and grace. And that you allow yourself to yield any judgments that you may already have. For those of us that will never be the same again, I ask that you fill your heart with hope and forgiveness. You allow yourself to cope and heal. Finally, for those of us that have the knowledge and the means to facilitate the answers that my family deserves, I ask that you fill your hearts with compassion and truth, and I ask that you allow your conscience to speak for you when your mind cannot comprehend the right words to say. I sincerely hope that this day allows those affected by it to take from it whatever it is that you need to take, if its closure you seek here today, I certainly hope you're able to find it. Today is the day to remember today is the day to pay tribute. Today is the day for this family to unite and display their solidarity in strength.

I've gotta tell you - this family is united. But this family is incomplete. I'm incomplete. I- I'm broken. CMA, it will never be the same again. CMA. Each day you continue to teach me about life and about the way it SHOULD be lived. Each day you give me the ability to be strong or to be weak. It's been so long since I've been able to see you or to hug you or to tell you how much you mean to me. CMA. I miss you, I love you. CMA. I am so proud of you. I hope you're proud of me too. I need you to know that I will never forget the promise that I made to you. I will never forget."


This is my take on Lee’s portion of the memorial service. It is my opinion of what I heard and saw.

I believe that Lee was speaking directly to Casey for most of this. One would think that he may have been attempting to let her know that he wanted her to tell the truth, no matter what it was and that he still loved her but my instincts tell me he was telling Casey that no matter what he would keep his promise to her. (Sic Casey).
What that promise is becomes the question. It could be just simply that he would support her no matter what she did. It could be that she confided something in him, and he will never speak of it to anyone or they share a common knowledge about something that they promised each ever never to speak about.

I think that his first line "For those of us that are frightened or angry, or mournful, or that just don't understand - I ask that you fill your heart with patience and grace”. may have been directed at Mallory. The part about having “Finally, for those of us that have the knowledge and the means to facilitate the answers that my family deserves, I ask that you fill your hearts with compassion and truth,” is worded odd. “For those of us” sounds like he knows exactly whom “us” is. If he had been speaking to whomever, meaning he believes that Casey is not responsible for Caylee’s death he would have said “for those of you”
“ I sincerely hope that this day allows those affected by it to take from it whatever it is that you need to take, if its closure you seek here today, I certainly hope you're able to find it”. He is also making it clear that this memorial in no way brings closure to him but…. half heartedly he adds that maybe ‘someone’ can find it but it certainly won’t be me.

“Each day you continue to teach me about life and about the way it SHOULD be lived. Each day you give me the ability to be strong or to be weak.” This part is where Lee is saying about you continue to teach me about life and about the way it should be lived is to me this was the most normal part of everything he said. I think that right here he may actually be speaking about Caylee and how her death has given him a different view of how humanity acts and reacts. That one can be strong and face the challenge of not knowing what is going to happen but one has to just put one foot in front of the other or it’s ok to sit and bawl your eyes out. “CMA” This is where the tone takes yet again a turn. The use of CMA and not Caylee is the part I find to be the strangest. It is not normal to use initials when speaking of someone. To use initials to reference someone on paper maybe but not to use as a substitute for his or her name, especially in a public forum such as a memorial. I feel this was done on purpose.

“ I've gotta tell you - this family is united. But this family is incomplete. I'm incomplete. I- I'm broken.” Now don’t throw cups at me that to me sound more like a sentiment that is used by spouse or a parent when a loved one has died or is missing. The roles in this family that everyone played is so convoluted that it is difficult to discern what part they are playing and when. Was Lee speaking as a ‘father image’ to Casey, a ‘big brother’ image or something more. Was Lee’s role to Caylee just an uncle in his own mind, a substitute father figure to Caylee or a brother? Which family? Casey, Lee & Caylee or Lee, Mallory, George, Cindy and Casey. Again, since we don’t know what role Lee is playing while saying this we don’t know what he means as he says this.
I know with my own son, with my niece whom I took custody of because my sister was not able to function as her mother due to mental illness sometimes seemed almost to act as her big brother, not a cousin but at other times he would read her the riot act about her behavior her no different then if he was her father despite the fact that there is only about 10 years between them. It can be very easy for those ‘normal’ roles to become blurred.

“It's been so long since I've been able to see you or to hug you or to tell you how much you mean to me.” IMHO Lee is telling Casey that he misses her, that he missing being able to hug her.
This is not past tense this is present. Caylee is dead. If it was Caylee it would be I will never be able to see you again or give you another hug. Listen to George’s portion. He is speaking about what he and Caylee used to do and how when he remembers or thinks back how he felt. Lee is speaking in a different manor and I have to be blunt and say he sounds like a man who is doing his best at dealing with the emotions that come with the loss of wife or lover. Whether Lee means that or not is something that I cannot determine. Due to how badly the family dynamics were it may be possible that Lee just does not have a clear understanding of love for a sister as apposed to love for a significant other and can not separate his feelings well enough so the rest of us can understand who he is referencing to let alone find the proper words to express it.

“ I am so proud of you. I hope you're proud of me too.” Now this is where we get back to the entire idea that he may be speaking to Casey and not speaking about Caylee. To me it is the ‘so proud of you” that is the clue. There is no way I can connect those words to Caylee. Proud of what? What would Caylee be proud of Lee for? She wasn’t yet 3 years old. Then he moves directly to the “I need you to know that I will never forget the promise that I made to you. I will never forget." I think this is also to Casey. The idea that he made a promise to himself that he would find Caylee or bring those guilty to justice crossed my mind but the wording is off for that. “I need you to know” a need is something that is today. If that was Caylee he is referring I would think that he would have used something more along the lines of “I want you to know”or “I made a promise ” looking up or pointing up as he spoke. There is no indication of that in his facial expression or his body language that he is referring to a child who has died. Think of how you would say to someone that you loved very much and who has passed on that you know you made them a promise and you are going to keep it and not forget as opposed to how you would say it to someone who is in the here and the now.

I think that Lee looks like a man who is being chased by the boggy man in his sleep and when awake. He is thinner that he was back in September or October when he was last seen in the media and I don’t think he looks healthy.

As a side note. I also noted the look of confusion on George’s face as he was looking at the computer screen as Lee was speaking.

WOW...I have to reread this several times, but you have caught everything that I have been thinking, only in words. Most insightful post yet! :clap::clap::clap:
 
Yep. I tried to blowup the little green pins and though blurry I could see what looked to be a shamrock and a face.

I'd love to know if it is KC's face on the shamrock. :mad:
 
As I read your post, I had a lightbulb moment...duh!...Lee says he has missed hugging CMA and I think he was trying to tell KC that she needs to agree to see him, GA and CA at the jail...I feel KC is the one who has been refusing to have a video visit, and this was Lee's way to tell KC to let them visit her, maybe because they want to try to get her to get rid of JB.

I don't think KC can look them in their eyes since Caylee's body has been found. It's easier for her not to see them at all and just let Baez do his best for her. The message Baez delievered from her yesterday was not in her best interest, but he's obviously got to do what she demands. If she really wanted to see her family, there's nothing Baez can do to stop her. It's up to her. The longer she lets this go on, the harder it will be on all of them.
 
This is kind of out there and I probably shouldn't even post it but when LA said CMA, my mind went to Caylee's bedroom and the intials that were hanging on her wall.

I don't remember seeing them but I will have to go back and see if I can find that picture. Although it unusual that LA use the initials it is rather odd for her to have them in her room too. Most kids have the name on the wall not their initials.

It may very well have some connection to why LA kept saying CMA. Perhaps he made him or hung them or taught Caylee to say the letters. But there definitely meaning as to why he used initials. I hate to think he was talking to KC.
 
I don't think KC can look them in their eyes since Caylee's body has been found. It's easier for her not to see them at all and just let Baez do his best for her. The message Baez delievered from her yesterday was not in her best interest, but he's obviously got to do what she demands. If she really wanted to see her family, there's nothing Baez can do to stop her. It's up to her. The longer she lets this go on, the harder it will be on all of them.

ITA as to the reason that KC won't see anyone(in red above). I do think that LA was referring to KC with his CMA, because he seems to have a very odd relationship with KC, and I won't delve into it today, but he sounds like he is "pining" for her...Extremely odd. JMO
 
Maybe I don't understand how it works but what does LA having his laptop has to do with KC being able to see it? If JB has Wifi and wanted to see be live all he had to do to go to local news web sites that streaming it live, right? He didn't need LA's pc at the church.


PC's can connect to one another via video.....meaning....while Lee had his laptop up at the podium and if the video feature was on ...and connected w/ Baez, Casey could get an up close and personal view of Lee speaking.....Baez was in the jail w/ his laptop at the time the memorial was taking place....
 
I thought Lee sounded like he was talking to a women he was in love with. They where words a love sick man would say and yes I think it was code for his sister. just my jaded thinking. But it was not normal IMO

Having read all posts this day, chop, I must say, yours mirrors my sentiments exactly.

Strange doesn't even come close to describing LA's words and demeanor.
 
Here's the entire transcript of Lee's remarks:

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who's had any sort of role in making today a special day. Thank you.

If I could ask something from anybody that was willing to hear it, it would be this: For those of us that are frightened or angry or mournful or they just don't understand, I ask you to fill your heart with patience and grace and that you allow yourself to yield any judgment that you may already have.

For those of us that will never be the same again, I ask that you fill your heart with hope and forgiveness. You allow yourself to cope and heal.

Finally, for those of us that have the knowledge and the means to facilitate the answers that my family deserves, I ask that you fill your heart with compassion and truth, and I ask that you allow your conscience to speak for you when your mind cannot comprehend the right words to say.

I sincerely hope that this day allows those sincerely affected by it to take from it whatever it is that you need to take. If it's closure you seek here today, I certainly hope you're able to find it.

Today is the day to remember. Today is the day to pay tribute. Today is the day for this family to unite and display their solidarity and strength.

I've got to tell you, it is hard to stand up here and be the pillar of strength. This family is united. But this family is incomplete. I am incomplete. I am broken.

CMA. [Lee pauses to kiss his wrist twice.] CMA. Each day you continue to teach me about life and about the way it should be lived. And each day you give me the ability to be strong or to be weak. It's been so long since I've been able to see you or to hug you or to tell you how much you mean to me.

CMA. I miss you. I love you. CMA, I am so proud of you. I hope you're proud of me too. I need you to know that I will NEVER forget the promise that I made to you. I will never forget.
 
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