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OddOneOut,In my opinion, it is a reasonable attempt to find the truth.
And you have every right to YO.
OddOneOut,In my opinion, it is a reasonable attempt to find the truth.
YesPATSY DOES NOT KNOW THERE ARE GIFTS IN THE WC ...
June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well Patsy had gotten a bunch
21 of gifts at FAO Schwartz up in New York in early
22 December, some of which were for them were for
23 Burke's birthday, which was in January. She didn't
24 know they were in the closet exactly,
YES14 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. It is hard to sort of
15 figure out where all of these pictures are taken, but
16 there is another package over here.
17 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh.
18 TRIP DEMUTH: Does that look out of place or
19 in the proper place?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I had -- you know, I
21 stacked up some packages along there (inaudible).
22 Kicked (inaudible) or something. I kind of have it
23 backed up here.
24 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay. So the packages in 146,
25 it looks like it is out of place to you?
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1 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh. Yeah. See, that
2 looks -- the door would be here.
3 TRIP DEMUTH: It is hard.
4 PATSY RAMSEY: So that would be back in here
5 somewhere. I was right in front of the door.
6 TRIP DEMUTH: No. Here are the screens. You
7 see the screens over here, the small screens, so it is
8 more back in this.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I would tuck them
10 there.
11 TRIP DEMUTH: I guess the point is, there
12 wasn't one that was off by itself. They should have
13 all been together.
14 The location in picture 148 is the correct
15 place for all of the packages to have been?
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
17 TOM HANEY: Before we go on, could we just
18 talk briefly about the packages, these were presents
19 for whom, the ones that were left in there?
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20 PATSY RAMSEY: I believe for, you know, I
21 held some back for Burke's birthday which is in
22 January.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.
24 TOM HANEY: So that could have been that.
25 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I don't remember what
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1 was in them.
2 TOM HANEY: Would any of these packages be
3 opened?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably. Well, see, these
5 came up, I was at FAO Schwartz in New York when
6 JonBenet and I were up there for a trip, and I had them
7 sent back to Boulder and they wrapped them, free gift
8 wrapping.
9 So like right here it looks like I kind of
10 peeled a little back to see what was in it because I
11 couldn't remember what was in them.
12 TRIP DEMUTH: If the wrapping has been undone
13 partially, that was --
14 PATSY RAMSEY: I probably would have done
15 that to peek to see what was in there.
16 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.
17 TOM HANEY: Where did you do the bulk of your
18 Christmas shopping, the items you put in there?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, all of this stuff right
20 here was from FAO Schwartz in New York. JonBenet got a
21 bicycle that year. I got a university bicycle, and she
22 got a twin doll which I mail ordered, and --
23 TOM HANEY: Did she get to ride her bike?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: She got to ride her bike.
25 TOM HANEY: Christmas day?
And YES!I learned, over the course of my inquiry, that it was Burke who had actually been responsible for tearing back the paper of the presents while playing in the basement on Christmas Day, and I wondered why Patsy would claim responsibility for doing this. Patsy had also told investigators that the unwrapped box of Lego toys in the same room was being hidden for Burke's upcoming January birthday.
I didn?t give much thought about the presence of Christmas presents in the room at the time, but would later think these played a role in some of the events that took place on Christmas day.
Yes
PATSY SAYS SHE OPENED THE GIFTS
June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth
YES
KOLAR CLAIMS BR OPENED THE GIFTS
James Kolar, Foreign Faction, Excerpt
And YES!
Perfect examples as to why the lies shall lead us to the truth.
Good work UKGuy!
Yes, I believe he had inside info. Idk if he was advised or if he died. If he's still here lurking, I wish he'd PM me! I've been here since 1999 (when River owned W'sleuths). I think back on things he posted and now I think "wow". He may have been a part of LE etc... who knows. Aside from the present popular theory (which was castigated back in the day), he talked of others who were/may have been involved. He just had SO much info.Nehemiah,
Sure do. Some say he was privy to inside information. Apparently he was advised to retire from the case?
I reckon he knew more about the Stine-Ramsey link than he let on, as his theory relies on some unknowns which we could speculate about but never really confirm, e.g. Dec 23rd, what really happened?
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So true, UK Guy. BlueCrab was viewed as "out there".Other than BlueCrab nearly everyone, myself included, dismissed BDI as ridiculous!
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UKGuy,Note how the Stine's have vanished into the ether. How will DS respond to any media requests for interviews once JR leaves the planet.UKGuy,
Exactly!There is more to the case than what LHP says and the Intruder proponents claim, as its patently obvious the parents attempted to stage BR, out of the case but failed, along with them being hit Child Neglect and Assisting an Offender Charges.
It does not look good, despite years of JR popping up on the media regularly to reassure us he was STILL looking for the intruder!
Yes, I believe he had inside info. Idk if he was advised or if he died. If he's still here lurking, I wish he'd PM me! I've been here since 1999 (when River owned W'sleuths). I think back on things he posted and now I think "wow". He may have been a part of LE etc... who knows. Aside from the present popular theory (which was castigated back in the day), he talked of others who were/may have been involved. He just had SO much info.
BlueCrab, if you're here under a different name, please PM me!
UKGuy,
I hope I can post this here:
Glen R Stine, (215) 748-1073, Atlanta, GA — Public Records Instantly
Glen R Stine is a resident of GA. Lookup the home address and phone 2157481073 and other contact details for this personclustrmaps.com
Their address in Boulder was:
816 10th St.
Look on google maps and it’s down 15th St., L on Cascade and their home was 4 1/2 blocks into their alley on the R.
2nd house from the corner.
That close they lived to one another.
Yes,
I hope the media is on DS and BR, before JR is buried.
Exactly!
He should be ashamed.
PR says "
: I probably would have done
that to peek to see what was in there."
This part of the transcript, becomes a statement in kolars book that reads:
"I wondered why Patsy would claim responsibility for doing this."
Is it fair to use the the statement, and put it in a book that she claimed responsibility? That's taking some liberties at best, and completely misrepresenting at the worst.
I'm keeping an open mind here. But tell me again. How having larger underwear on her body help the ramseys fool the police?
She told them what she bought, where she bought them, when she bought them, why she purchased them. And where she kept them.
Lastly, bpd could have taken anything they wanted anytime. It's not the Rs fault they didn't.
That's the point it would NOT. Larger Underwear is a Red Flag surely you get that?I'm keeping an open mind here. But tell me again. How having larger underwear on her body help the ramseys fool the police?
She never told them what she purchased as she had periods of Ramnesia during her interview.She told them what she bought, where she bought them, when she bought them, why she purchased them. And where she kept them.
Grand Jury thought both parents were involved. With ALL the available info?
So both parents... that leaves BR. Don't know very many other ways to look at it.
Atlanta 2000 Patsy Interview excerpt
18 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Well, let's start
19 with what - I will make it very simple for
20 you, Mrs. Ramsey. What information are you
21 in possession of or what do you know about
22 the underwear that your daughter was wearing
23 at the time she was found murdered?
24 A. I have heard that she had on a
25 pair of Bloomi's that said Wednesday on them.
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1 Q. The underwear that she was
2 wearing, that is Bloomi's panties, do you
3 know where they come from as far as what
4 store?
5 A. Bloomingdales in New York.
6 Q. Who purchased those?
7 A. I did.
8 Q. Do you recall when you purchased
9 them?
10 A. It was, I think, November of '96.
11 Q. In the fall of 1996, how many
Atlanta 2000 Patsy Interview excerpt
13 Q. Knowing yourself as you do, if it
14 was, if it had caught your attention or came
15 to your attention, do you think you might
16 have said, JonBenet, you should, those don't
17 fit, put something on that fits, that is
18 inappropriate? Do you think, if it came,
19 had come to your attention --
20 A. Well, obviously we, you know, the
21 package had been opened, we made the
22 decision, you know, oh, just go ahead and
23 use them because, you know, we weren't going
24 to give them to Jenny after all, I guess,
Atlanta 2000 Patsy Interview excerpt
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.
13 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) At the time,
14 how old was Jenny?
15 A. I don't know. Probably -- I
16 don't know. She is older than JonBenet, but
17 I don't know exactly how old she was.
18 Q. Would these panties, size wise, be
19 more appropriate for -- is she an older
20 girl?
21 A. Yes.
Atlanta 2000 Patsy Interview excerpt
4 MR. MORRISSEY: Okay.
5 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Let me ask it
6 this way. Did you say you bought more than
7 one set of Bloomi's?
8 A. I can't remember.
9 Q. You bought some for JonBenet?
10 A. I can't remember.
11 Q. Why is it that you remember
12 buying Bloomingdale's panties in November of
13 1996?
14 A. Because --
15 MR. WOOD: Because she remembers
16 it. I mean --