Local 6 - DP motion just DENIED

[Misy]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered. I'm very very curious to know how the SA decides what evidence to present during this recent hearing to argue for the DP. Wouldn't they give their very best theory and evidence to support this, or do they present just enough to feel confident that the court will rule in their favor.... saving bombshell evidence for the actual trial? What if the court granted the recent defense motion, and the SA actually had more evidence that they did not divulge. Could they then appeal the decision? I realize this is moot, but I'm very curious about how much evidence the SA has that we have not seen/heard of yet.
TIA !

 

[ZsaZsa]

I doubt that the death penalty or any other kind of penalty will deter anyone from murdering another if they have a mind to- but it WILL deter Casey from murdering anyone else and that is all I need, and what she deserves. The punishment should fit the crime.

 

[noonie]

I doubt that the death penalty or any other kind of penalty will deter anyone from murdering another if they have a mind to- but it WILL deter Casey from murdering anyone else and that is all I need, and what she deserves. The punishment should fit the crime.

I truely agree. In the beginning with the smirk on her face in court you couls see she thought she was going to get away with this crime. Now we see a much different person, full of hate and remorse, knowing the game is all over. Justice for Sweet Caylee:angel:

 

[ThinkTank]

Question...Casey signed a paper (I hope someone can remember which one) and at the end she wrote something like 'I'm innocent and the prosecutor is trying to get me to confess to a crime I didn't do'. Can she be questioned about that in front of a jury? It seems unfair if the jury gets to see what she wrote but the prosecution can't cross exam her statement.

 

[ThinkTank]

 

[Kentjbkent]

Still bothers me intensely that document only refers to the selling of...."story" (in quotation marks no less)

As opposed to stating selling of....."story, photos, videos,...."

:banghead::banghead:

(Nice to see you, ThinkTank!!)

 

[RR0004]

Still bothers me intensely that document only refers to the selling of...."story" (in quotation marks no less)

As opposed to stating selling of....."story, photos, videos,...."

:banghead::banghead:

(Nice to see you, ThinkTank!!)

...and thinking about Casey bouncing into Jose's office, her backpack stuffed with pics and videos, convinces me even more that this girl has no conscience.

 

[nomoresorrow]

No chaos from me, 21Merc7. There are a lot of thoughtful, intelligent people who have given this topic a great deal of attention and study and have come to the same conclusion you just expressed. I respect that.

The truth is most of us have never had to come right down to seriously looking at the death penalty issue -- I mean seriously as in real life -- as opposed to an expression of our anger and frustration at a particular behavior or criminal but so far removed we don't have to make that decision. It is very sobering to actually have to make that decision. It is very sobering to have to decide whether or not more medical treatment is going to be given to a critically ill/injured patient. It is sobering to sit on a medical ethics board. It is sobering to decide to sew up a patient during surgery because there is nothing else that is realistic to do. It is sobering to decide how much intervention to give at the scene of a horrible accident. It is very sobering to actually have to decide other non-medical cases that involve life or death choices; like who will be on a roster to have to go into a military battle. Having to decide a death penalty in a particular case is no different. I have had some of these experiences and they will inevitably change the way you view the world.

I really think that there is evil in the world and that some people are evil. Maybe they were not born that way, but have become evil beyond redemption and have committed acts in accordance with that evil intent.

So, while I certainly understand why those who seek justice in this case are relieved and happy about Judge Strickland deciding to deny the motion and let the issue of death as a possible penalty go to the jury, I also understand that some may have come to that bridge where the issue is a present and solid reality from which there is no escaping the real life decision -- and a good many even on this website and even after celebrating the news today -- would choke.

So, I respect your effort and your stance.

While I respect you and 21Merc7's (or anyones for that matter) views and opinions on the DP, I have to respectfully disagree with your view that those who support the DP, like myself, do not or have not looked at it seriously, as in a real-life scenerio, whereby one realizes that this is in fact a real human being's life we are talking about ending. I for one do get that and that is why I personally have no objections to Casey Anthony being afforded the opportunity to meet with her family members without the public's later access and viewing of those meetings. I have no objection to Casey Anthony having access to her legal counsel in an area that affords, both her and her the counsel, freedom from any fears and/or concerns of being listened in on or recorded by jail personnal. I for one am grateful that there are AL's in the world. Beyond all of the hoop-la over Casey's tears and the ongoing debates over whether they're real or not, what she was wearing, or how her hair was styled, instead I find myself hyperfocused on the words that are spoken by the DP attorney; the person charged with saving this individuals life; the person who must convince the court/a jury that there is something redeemable, or at the very least, a reason why this person should be allowed to live out their remaining life behind bars rather than be put to death. My own opinion is that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death on a capital murder level (vs. manslaughter...) and although I am glad that the DP is on the table, I am equally glad that we must hear the voices/words of those like AL's because death is final - the victims, whose life's were taken hastily or without any regard, remind us that it is a bell that cannot be unrung. JMHO -

 

[kew17]

Has anyone ventured to the "Casey Didn't Do It" site lately? There is a new post of 12/18/09 with discussion of the Judge's denial of the motion to dismiss the DP. Interesting read. Gives some insight as to an alternate story getting ready to be told about it probably NOT 31 days.

Can I give the link? http://www.asecondbreath.net/

Mods please remove if I am out of line. Thanks.

 

[hroark2112]

In the interest of public safety, it is probably the only decision he could have made, to avoid the inevitable riots that would have ensued had he dismissed the death penalty from the case.

I'm rolling here....I can't stop laughing!!

 

[CPP]

I've seen a few remarks here and there by the judge that bother me. Can I quote them no. I just think when a judge doesn't like the strategy of an attorney he needs to be careful on how he handles the case. IMO.

I've been following, and it seems to me that J. Strickland's decisions have followed the letter of the law. It's almost as if he's looking ahead to the automatic DP appeal and going out of his way to NOT commit any reversible errors on the part of the court. If he continues on this path through a trial that results in conviction, Casey's appeal team will have to look elsewhere for an out.

 

[21merc7]

I've been following, and it seems to me that J. Strickland's decisions have followed the letter of the law. It's almost as if he's looking ahead to the automatic DP appeal and going out of his way to NOT commit any reversible errors on the part of the court. If he continues on this path through a trial that results in conviction, Casey's appeal team will have to look elsewhere for an out.

And you would be correct. This Judge knows the weight of this trial, knows to handle it with the highest integrity, he also knows the world is watching too, but I think he would do his job to the best of his ability if the world was not watching. I do not think Judge S takes DP cases lightly. Hence, the I will rule on it later, he does research and probably consults, then rules. Could not ask for a better Judge. If I lived in Florida and got into any kind of trouble I would wish Judge S be the one on the case.

 

[mitzi]

Has anyone ventured to the "Casey Didn't Do It" site lately? There is a new post of 12/18/09 with discussion of the Judge's denial of the motion to dismiss the DP. Interesting read. Gives some insight as to an alternate story getting ready to be told about it probably NOT 31 days.

Can I give the link? http://www.asecondbreath.net/

Mods please remove if I am out of line. Thanks.

Thanks for the link.

May I just say that the whole thing about it not being 31 days, and that the babysitter had Caylee for 2 weeks, (as written on that blog), is what I call BS. Does that blogger even read the discovery? Geesh! I can see having an opinion that KC didn't do it, but Pul-eeze...enuf with the babysitter carp! We are long past that!

 

[cyberborg]

Thanks for the link.

May I just say that the whole thing about it not being 31 days, and that the babysitter had Caylee for 2 weeks, (as written on that blog), is what I call BS. Does that blogger even read the discovery? Geesh! I can see having an opinion that KC didn't do it, but Pul-eeze...enuf with the babysitter carp! We are long past that!

Yep, this poster is creating a new tale that goes against KC's former stories to LE that either; 1., she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass and could not locate when she went back that day or; 2., the secretly developed JBP kidnap story. In both cases Caylee went missing on Day 1 so this blogger is trying to blur the lines to explain away the 31 days. Sheeesh!

 

[mitzi]

Yep, this poster is creating a new tale that goes against KC's former stories to LE that either; 1., she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass and could not locate when she went back that day or; 2., the secretly developed JBP kidnap story. In both cases Caylee went missing on Day 1 so this blogger is trying to blur the lines to explain away the 31 days. Sheeesh!

I sure would love, love, love to know just who that blogger really is.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I sure would love, love, love to know just who that blogger really is.

Take your pick from the "bartop bowl" of assorted nuts in this case. HeeHee

 

[Mendara]

I think the Defense needs to actually build a case to defend Casey and stop trying to accuse the state, the sherrif's office, the investigators, the media, TES etc. of setting her up and framing her. If AL would have made her death penalty case without accusing the state of maliciously trying to kill Casey without cause, maybe the judge would have ruled in her favor, but instead she was accusing innocent people of "just wanting to kill Casey for no reason".

The jury will decide if she should face death and if they decide to send her to meet her maker and the judge feels it was not a just sentencing he also has the opportunity to overrule them and KC will have the right to appeal.

I have yet to see the defense actually working.

 

[doogiesgirl]

I have not made up my mind as to whether the crime KC committed deserves the DP. I want to hear all the facts at trial. BUT, I do think it is right that it is a possibility for her, IF a jury of her peers deems she deserves it. They will be there, they will see the pics of Caylee, they will see KC's demeanor/ lack of feeling. I will trust their judgement.

I also have heard that even if the jury decides the DP for her that JSS can take it away....now in this particular case....I think he would be unwise to change any verdict/punishment that KC's jury decides. This jury will speak for the public and Caylee---so it should be left alone. :cow:

 

[wenwe4]

Keep in mind . . . it is a court of Law, not a court of Justice. Everything depends on how the law is written, the wording that is used, and the "interpretation" of those words as it relates to the "Law". Both Jury and Judge are bound to that and hopefully that lends way to Justice. It is not a perfect system, but therein lies hope.

 

[Themis]

While I respect you and 21Merc7's (or anyones for that matter) views and opinions on the DP, I have to respectfully disagree with your view that those who support the DP, like myself, do not or have not looked at it seriously, as in a real-life scenerio, whereby one realizes that this is in fact a real human being's life we are talking about ending. I for one do get that and that is why I personally have no objections to Casey Anthony being afforded the opportunity to meet with her family members without the public's later access and viewing of those meetings. I have no objection to Casey Anthony having access to her legal counsel in an area that affords, both her and her the counsel, freedom from any fears and/or concerns of being listened in on or recorded by jail personnal. I for one am grateful that there are AL's in the world. Beyond all of the hoop-la over Casey's tears and the ongoing debates over whether they're real or not, what she was wearing, or how her hair was styled, instead I find myself hyperfocused on the words that are spoken by the DP attorney; the person charged with saving this individuals life; the person who must convince the court/a jury that there is something redeemable, or at the very least, a reason why this person should be allowed to live out their remaining life behind bars rather than be put to death. My own opinion is that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death on a capital murder level (vs. manslaughter...) and although I am glad that the DP is on the table, I am equally glad that we must hear the voices/words of those like AL's because death is final - the victims, whose life's were taken hastily or without any regard, remind us that it is a bell that cannot be unrung. JMHO -

Interesting that you appreciate my view on the DP -- since I have never stated my view in the quote you copied or anywhere else on WS or the web.

My only point to 21Merc7 was that not all who were happy that the DP was not thrown out as a result of that motion would, if it came down to it, actually vote for it to be applied in this case.

I didn't state whether I would or would not vote for it in this case. I would never say so on a forum like this because in my view, assuming I was juror in this case, the heartfelt, reflective and weighty moment that would come only in a jury deliberation room, after going over the evidence and discussion with 11 other people bearing the same burden, would be so unique that I can't imagine it could be replicated in any online forum. Therefore, until that happens, I do not myself know how I would vote.

I respect those people we, as a society, task with actually making the rough decisions. We cannot walk the same mile in their shoes because all the uniqueness of it cannot be replicated. That was my point and I was not supporting or criticizing anyone in favor of or against the DP.

Nice avatar, by the way.