London Ontario - Tori Stafford murder trial begins jury selection

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A cross-section of jurors so far.

The seven jurors so far include a small-business owner, an industrial salesperson, an audiology technician, a consultant, a teacher, a cashier and a resolutions specialist.

After the group was sworn in, Ontario Justice Thomas Heeney reminded the men and women they are now banned from accessing any media stories about these proceedings.
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Different strategies for the opposing sides, perhaps.

Both Crown and defence lawyers had to reach a consensus on a juror for he or she to be accepted.

Each has 22 challenges to exclude potential jurors if they feel they may be biased or unable to fairly judge the evidence in the trial.

By the end of the day, Rafferty's lawyers had used 11 of those challenges, while the Crown had used six.

http://www.canada.com/news/Tori+Stafford+trial+Michael+Rafferty+pleads+guilty/6228111/story.html
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matou said:
Did Rafferty or TLM like tea? It's pretty specific. I associate Tim Hortons with coffee, not tea.
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Matou MR drank tea not coffee. :what: OMG! So this leads me to believe the stop at Timmies for TEA very well could have been for MR. It could be TLM drank tea also but this is just too coincidental kwim?!! Wow let us pray the Crown has a video from the Timmies which was visited. BTW it looks to me like the Timmies in your first google maps, with the HD in the background, looks like there is a vehicle to the left and close up to the building as if it's a drive thru.

You may have to zoom in to read under interests where MR included on his POF site: Tea not coffee. Bingo!:rocker::woohoo::great:

Found in Media Links No Discussion, post #8. Thank you Scotslass for posting this JMHO, key piece of information and thank you Matou for finding that recent link stating they went to HD and Timmies. :blowkiss::great:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2a80sna.jpg
 
flipflop said:
Going north on highway 6, there is a TH with a drive thru in Fergus, there is also one at the corner of Hwy 6 and 9 in Arthur, also with a drive thru. Both of these locations are on route towards Mt.Forest.

With this Timmies news being new to us, I am guessing that TLM did not mention this. This leads me to believe that the car was caught on video. I wonder how many more videos picked up this car.
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That's what I believe as well. Was there any news report stating whether LE was requesting that businesses release any video footage so they could look for the car on Hwy 6 or the area? Maybe I'm thinking of the Kyron case (any so many other cases). This one has been going for so long.
 
flipflop said:
A police forensic team then moved in and uncovered the girl’s broken body, still with her butterfly earrings


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Su...rder+details+Stafford+case/3951191/story.html

...so sad to read!!!!
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Very sad flipflop :'( Let's hope Tori's family has the strength to get through the trial. More from your above link.

“Relief? That they found my daughter’s remains? How messed up does that sound?” said Rodney Stafford, Tori’s father, in court. “Victoria was only ever guilty of being a little girl.”

In a statement, read in court because he did not attend, Daryn said: “It would take all the paper in the world to say how I felt and what I have lost but the thing I lost the most, not only my sister, but my bestest friend... Me and Tori could barely be apart for a weekend, let alone a lifetime.”

Tori’s mother, Tara McDonald, said she had considered suicide several times since Tori went missing but could not, for the sake of her son.

“I think of her every single day and the pain never gets any easier,” she said.

McClintic is now expected to be the star witness at Mr. Rafferty’s trial.
 
Since we have been reduced to discussing tea and ties, it should be pointed out that The Toronto Star describes MR's tie as blue.

"Rafferty, dressed in a baby blue shirt, blue striped tie"

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...eads-not-guilty-in-tori-stafford-slaying?bn=1

The large variety of shades among colours is open to individual interpretation. Personally, I think that Tori's family has far bigger concerns right now than the colour of anyone's necktie, even MR's.

JMO
 
Outside the courthouse, Mr. Rafferty’s lawyer, Dirk Derstine says the upcoming evidence in the case may be a surprise to the public.

“I expect that the evidence to be called will be different than what everybody is perhaps expecting,” he told reporters.
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I find this quote extremely interesting. First of all, the word "may" is used by the media, not Mr. Derstine, and is just paraphrasing the quote below it.

Secondly, if we go by these threads on WS, on Facebook, and every other site devoted to Tori's case, it's pretty obvious what "everybody" is expecting in the way of evidence - i.e., clear-cut and damning against the accused. For Mr. Derstine to use the words "perhaps expecting" is just diplomacy and giving the concept of "everybody" the benefit of the doubt.

What is most intriguing, IMHO, is the use of the word "different". What and how different will this evidence be from what the majority is expecting? I can't wait to find out.

JMO
 
antiquegirl said:
I find this quote extremely interesting. First of all, the word "may" is used by the media, not Mr. Derstine, and is just paraphrasing the quote below it.

Secondly, if we go by these threads on WS, on Facebook, and every other site devoted to Tori's case, it's pretty obvious what "everybody" is expecting in the way of evidence - i.e., clear-cut and damning against the accused. For Mr. Derstine to use the words "perhaps expecting" is just diplomacy and giving the concept of "everybody" the benefit of the doubt.

What is most intriguing, IMHO, is the use of the word "different". What and how different will this evidence be from what the majority is expecting? I can't wait to find out.

JMO
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http://www.canada.com/life/Jury+selection+begins+Tori+Stafford+murder+trial/6214807/story.html

"All parties in this case want a fair trial according to the evidence heard," Toronto defence lawyer Dirk Derstine said in an email. "People may think they know the evidence but they do not."
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antiquegirl said:
Since we have been reduced to discussing tea and ties, it should be pointed out that The Toronto Star describes MR's tie as blue.

"Rafferty, dressed in a baby blue shirt, blue striped tie"

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...eads-not-guilty-in-tori-stafford-slaying?bn=1

The large variety of shades among colours is open to individual interpretation. Personally, I think that Tori's family has far bigger concerns right now than the colour of anyone's necktie, even MR's.

JMO
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I don't think this info is from the same day. JMO
 
Next, each juror had to look at Rafferty, and he at them. Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey and Rafferty's lawyer Dirk Derstine then were allowed to reject a juror without offering a reason. They were not allowed to ask potential jurors any more questions.

Outside court, Derstine said publicity surrounding the case was "the most significant concern" in picking the jury.

But given the limit on questions they can ask, lawyers never know for sure what they're getting in a jury, he added.

"It's always difficult to try to find out exactly whether or not they are the right jury or not. You can only do your best."

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/02/29/19440271.html

Better them than me to have to look into his eyes.
 
nettie_82 said:
Next, each juror had to look at Rafferty, and he at them. Crown attorney Kevin Gowdey and Rafferty's lawyer Dirk Derstine then were allowed to reject a juror without offering a reason. They were not allowed to ask potential jurors any more questions.

Outside court, Derstine said publicity surrounding the case was "the most significant concern" in picking the jury.

But given the limit on questions they can ask, lawyers never know for sure what they're getting in a jury, he added.

"It's always difficult to try to find out exactly whether or not they are the right jury or not. You can only do your best."

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/raffertytrial/2012/02/29/19440271.html

Better them than me to have to look into his eyes.
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Wow - that is an unusual process! I've never heard of this happening in a jury selection before. I guess they're trying to judge eye contact, and facial expression along with possibly physical reaction of the prospective juror when looking directly at the accused. Very interesting! Thanks for posting the article.
 
matou said:
That's what I believe as well. Was there any news report stating whether LE was requesting that businesses release any video footage so they could look for the car on Hwy 6 or the area? Maybe I'm thinking of the Kyron case (any so many other cases). This one has been going for so long.
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There was no release from LE requesting this, but I know for a fact that LE went to businesses along hwy 6 north of Guelph asking. A very good friend of mine has a business on hwy 6 and she was approached by LE asking for video surv.
 
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