long weekend break: discuss the latest here #101

[momof7]

The whole "PTSD is not a get out of jail free card" thing was definitely one of my favorite moments. JW's face was priceless.

I honestly don't know how much her answers would have changed if she had been telling the self defense story at the time. She was still presenting herself as the "real victim," and would still want to make it look like she was suffering. I wish that someone would have asked if someone was trying to paint themselves in a certain light, wouldn't they then answer the questions in a way that would highlight that. She wants people to believe that she had no choice but to kill TA, just like she wanted them to believe that ninjas did it. A couple of questions would have been answered a little differently, but she still would have been answering the questions, overall, in a way that made her present as suffering a trauma.

Does that make sense? I don't know I am out of it. lol.

Basically, she wanted them to think that the event was traumatic, regardless of if it was the Ninjas who did it, or if she had to do it in self defense. Therefore, she would respond to the questions on the test in a way that would showcase that. :moo:

Yes, I do agree that realisitically she probably could have answered all questions easily as the 'victim' since even though she killed TA, she was the victim hence self defense.

The Dr did mention the numbers, addition of etc didn't change the diagnosis because there are basically no degrees. More numbers didn't equal more PTSD. Just confirm the diagnosis. I think I have that right. Not sure at this point as I am still drinking my first cup of coffee for the day.

Kelly

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

I agree with both you and Steely, there is someone(s) on the jury that are looking at all sides and it is coming across as someone is believing her story. It probably has a bit to do with what kind of person JA comes across as. There is no way she is normal. I think this is the same person(s) that asked if she was diagnosed with any other mental conditions. There is someone on the jury that really thinks she is mentally ill and that is the reason she did what she did. The free pass.

Kelly

I sort of felt like the question about other mental conditions was fishing for him to say that she had some kind of personality disorder. (Didn't he, at some point, say he didn't know what personality disorder she has, but that she had one?)

Anyway, that's probably just me projecting.

I think that all cold blood killers have a mental illness. I just think it's a much more extreme form of it and that their mental illness renders them without a conscious. Not all sociopaths are killers, or even violent, but the ones who are need to be kept from the public the entirety of their lives, imo.

I am not a proponent of the death penalty, (not because I care of someone like JA lives or dies, but because our justice system isn't infallible and innocent people do end up on death row - off topic), but in this case, I hope that she gets the needle. That is much more "compassion" and humanity than she showed her victim.

 

[momof7]

I sort of felt like the question about other mental conditions was fishing for him to say that she had some kind of personality disorder. (Didn't he, at some point, say he didn't know what personality disorder she has, but that she had one?)
Anyway, that's probably just me projecting.

I think that all cold blood killers have a mental illness. I just think it's a much more extreme form of it and that their mental illness renders them without a conscious. Not all sociopaths are killers, or even violent, but the ones who are need to be kept from the public the entirety of their lives, imo.

I am not a proponent of the death penalty, (not because I care of someone like JA lives or dies, but because our justice system isn't infallible and innocent people do end up on death row - off topic), but in this case, I hope that she gets the needle. That is much more "compassion" and humanity than she showed her victim.

BBM


Yes, he did say that she fit the criteria for personality disorders. I don't remember the exact verbiage he used. But basically, yes she did and no he did not know what they were.

A great WS wrote a great reply to me regarding personaility disorders that I am going to go back and reread if I can find it in one of these threads. Basically it was about the personality disorders are different that mental disorders or something along those lines.

 

[pip]

I noticed that every single time JA stood up she had her black jacket slung oddly over her left forearm yesterday. It was weird, almost like she was trying to hide her arm. She has never done that before and it looked "staged" for lack of a better word. Did anyone else notice or have any thoughts on that?

BTW... Samuels... wow. What a traveling snake oil peddler. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. He changes his story from minute to minute to meet the demands of the questioning. "I gave her the book to improve the process of my evaluation" or something like that.. what a crock of nonsense.. That was so far reaching I was truly embarrassed for him.

 

[Melanie]

Exhibit 534 vs Exhibit 535. And now 550, the 3 holed punched one.

What is up with this. Did Samuels try to pass off his newly recalculated test results as the original test?

I'm just now watching juan-derful, and can't believe what I'm hearing. So the good doctor recalculated the test in preparation of court?

Oh dear lord!

:floorlaugh:

 

[Ricki]

Jodi's lack of remorse, and her claims about Travis keep me awake at night.
Can I ask you all- do you think Jodi wishes this had never happened, that she could turn back time, if only because she was caught, and now has to face the consequences?

I have not seen anything you would consider remorse from JA. Would she turn back the clock...I seriously do not think so. She probably would like a do over, where all evidence of her was gone. JA probably wishes she did not make the mistakes that point to her. IMO she wanted TA gone because she knew she would never have him. If I can't have him, no one will.

 

[momof7]

I noticed that every single time JA stood up she had her black jacket slung oddly over her left forearm yesterday. It was weird, almost like she was trying to hide her arm. She has never done that before and it looked "staged" for lack of a better word. Did anyone else notice or have any thoughts on that?

BTW... Samuels... wow. What a traveling snake oil peddler. Not the sharpest tool in the shed. He changes his story from minute to minute to meet the demands of the questioning. "I gave her the book to improve the process of my evaluation" or something like that.. what a crock of nonsense.. That was so far reaching I was truly embarrassed for him.

I actually noticed that as well. You are right it was odd.

As for the book, he probably used his free time to make everything fit with the questions. I mean he seems to be really good at doing that! IMHO

Kelly

 

[momof7]

I have not seen anything you would consider remorse from JA. Would she turn back the clock...I seriously do not think so. She probably would like a do over, where all evidence of her was gone. JA probably wishes she did not make the mistakes that point to her. IMO she wanted TA gone because she knew she would never have him. If I can't have him, no one will.

She herself told the jury if she hadn't been caught she wasn't sure she would have ever told the truth about committing the murders.

Speaks volumes about any remorse IMHO

Kelly

 

[BD1]

Jodi's lack of remorse, and her claims about Travis keep me awake at night.
Can I ask you all- do you think Jodi wishes this had never happened, that she could turn back time, if only because she was caught, and now has to face the consequences?

No, I don't think she wishes that. I sense she still gets a great deal of relief that she was able to 'move on' from Travis and that she made it impossible for him to 'move on' from her.

 

[pip]

As time ticks on thru this trial JA seems to act odder and odder. Her eyes, facial expressions, and body language are really creeping me out. Like the internal madness is starting to seep thru her mask of sanity. Shivers.

 

[Gypseagirl]

No, I don't think she wishes that. I sense she still gets a great deal of relief that she was able to 'move on' from Travis and that she made it impossible for him to 'move on' from her.

I agree-just by watching her I don't see any remorse about her killing TA whatsoever.

 

[TartLemon]

Jodi's lack of remorse, and her claims about Travis keep me awake at night.
Can I ask you all- do you think Jodi wishes this had never happened, that she could turn back time, if only because she was caught, and now has to face the consequences?

IMO

Jodi has no remorse for her brutal crime. She's admitted it only because of getting caught. One of her jury questions was 'If you had never gotten caught, would you ever admitted it'. Perfect time for Jodi to show some compassion, at least a little remorse. There was nothing!

Before the arrest, Jodi bought a 9mm. Where'd she get the money for that? The .25 wasn't effective enough, so she needed one with more oomph to get the job done. Even in testimony, Jodi did not try to pretend it was to commit suicide. Who was next on her list?

I am thoroughly convinced if Jodi had not gotten caught so soon, there would have been a spree of murder. She'd found a new interest.

 

[Wake_me]

With the notoriety of this trial, and the length it has been going on for, how realistic is it that jurors aren't going to catch a whisper of outside influence? I could see one being in line at a supermarket and people in front saying "did you hear about JA slashing his tires and sending anonymous threatening emails. How about her doing a headstand and laughing in the interrogation room?"

I know they are asked by the judge if they've heard anything about the trial, but how can they possibly avoid this? Are they given tips by the court on how best to do so?

 

[justsharing]

Thank you. You explained it perfectly.

Smaller females have been murdering larger males using up close and personal methods forever.

It is a mistake for any male to think they cannot be brought down by a female.



IMO

My DH and I have been having this dispute for the past two weeks. He is 6'4 and about 280 lbs, I am 5'1 and weigh 120 lbs. Last night I attacked him with a sharpie marker while he was in his recliner. I think he now believes she could have easily attacked him with a knife.

 

[cubbeegirl]

OT: Forget Matt McCartney for a few seconds. I love Matthew McConaughey, a fellow Texan! Love Matt Damon's impersonation of MM!! Let's have fun for a moment! LNS David Letterman - Matt Damon Does Matthew McConaughey - YouTube

Very cool ! Love him !

 

[justsharing]

But how did talk him into posing nude in the shower? :whoosh:

Simple, "OH Travis you're looking so hot and sexy. Your muscles are getting huge, you know pics of you in the shower would be really hot".

While Travis was sick of her, I also think she knew exactly how to stroke his ego to get what she wanted, and she wanted to get him in that shower stall.

 

[gcharlie]

Lots of posts here yesterday about mitigation specialist and their role. Required by law in all states in DP cases. Hope this clarifies things:

A mitigation specialist is also an indispensable member of the defense team throughout all capital proceedings. Mitigation specialists possess clinical and information-gathering skills and training that most lawyers simply do not have. They have the time and ability to elicit sensitive, embarrassing and often humiliating evidence (e.g. family sexual abuse) that the defendant may have never disclosed. They have the clinical skills to recognize such things as congenital, mental, or neurological conditions, to understand how these conditions may have affected the defendant’s development and behavior, and to identify on his behalf. Moreover, they may be critical to assuring that the client obtains therapeutic services that render him cognitively and emotionally competent to make sound decisions concerning his case.

Perhaps most critically, having a qualified mitigation specialist assigned to every capital case as an integral part of the defense team insures that the presentation to be made at the penalty phase is integral into the overall preparation of the case rather than being hurriedly thrown together by defense counsel still in shock at the guilty verdict.

http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/what-is-a-mitigation-specialist-in-a-dea-66616/

 

[ilovewings]

Jurors will have the opportunity to ask questions of Samuels today, but Samuels has failed to convince at least one legal and mental health expert who has monitored the trial.

"Saying Jodi Arias has dissociative amnesia is like saying Casey Anthony would make a great babysitter," said Dr. Steven Pitt, referring to the Florida woman who was acquitted of murdering her daughter after claiming that the girl had been stolen by a babysitter.

"This guy, he got bamboozled by Jodi Arias," said Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist from the Phoenix area who has testified and consulted on several high profile cases across the nation. "He drank her Kool-Aid and now he is finding out that it is a toxic mix of 'BS.'"

Samuels is a shill, plain and simple- he is getting paid $250.00 to buy her BS plus he stepped over the line from evaluator to something else, whatever that something else is. i think he hopes she will give him a BJ some day.

 

[pip]

Samuels is a shill, plain and simple- he is getting paid $250.00 to buy her BS plus he stepped over the line from evaluator to something else, whatever that something else is. i think he hopes she will give him a BJ some day.

He had no problem offering her therapy and sympathy in the form of buying her a self help book because @ 250$ an hour, he was well aware that he was hired to be on Team Arias and accepted the offer. He was there to write a report the defense team specifically asked for, not to evaluate her from a non-biased professional standpoint. It was a scam from the get go.

 

[2sharpe2]

I am waiting for the Bombshell..So isn't it true that you Dr. and the defendant had anal sex!! OMG