long weekend break: discuss the latest here #102

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
I do not remember Flores' testimony including anything about forensically testing all knives found in Travis' home. In fact, it seems very little info has been testified to re the knife so far in this trial.

Also, when Flores testified, did he say no knives were missing in Travis' house?

Rebuttal, I hope? What do you guys think?
 
If Martinez wants to secure Murder 1 he needs to stop badgering the witnesses for defendant. On the flip side, the defense is completely asleep and are relying not on their arguments, but credibility. Unfortunately not one witnessed has seemed credible yet. So the defense has no argument and no credibility?

As long as Martinez keeps being persistent (but not so loud and rude!) murder 1 should stick.
 
In JA's ninja story does she say how TA got all the stab wounds and throat slit? Or does she address this at all? ty

I tried to listen to the interrogation and eventually gave up, JOdi using this very quiet aren't I sweet and helpless voice that my old ears can't hear. Is there a transcript anywhere of the interrogations?
 
I don't think the timeline down to the hour has a lot of impact. I recall Flores telling Jodi she had over 24 hours unaccounted fot in her story (maybe even more than that) so an hour here or therr would't make much of a difference if a time zone change was overlooked.

And I don't mean to sound snarky at all, but the level of confusion on this board about time zones is unlike anything I see in real life. Maybe living in the "forgotten time zone" (mountain) gets one used to calculating.

Yeah I lived in AZ and they don't observe daylight savings. Timeline can be a little difficult for people if they don't take this into account. Maybe. Lol u dunno. Super sleuth ppl might need to know that.
 
I doubt she had time to upload the photos to a computer, even if she had her laptop with her. It was past 5:33 when the last photo was snapped, and she still had delete the photos, try to clean up the crime scene somewhat with the bloody towel, and put the towel, Travis' clothes and undergarments in the washing machine and get out of Dodge before Travis' roommates returned home. Enrique Cortez said he got home around 6 pm. Didn't give her much time at all.

Wouldn't it have been simpler just to take the memory card?

She must be kicking herself for not taking that memory card. Otherwise only the palm print pointed to her.

I would like to know what time her cell phone pinged on the 'cell tower 57m N of Kingman' we've heard about. An estimate of the driving time from Mesa would point to a likely leaving time from Mesa. A wide discrepancy might indicate a detour or lengthy stop for disposal of gun, bloody clothes etc. prior to Hoover Dam.
 
Interesting info on wounds perpetrators weilding a knife recieve:

MECHANISMS FOR SELF-WOUNDING

During a violent attack with a knife or similar sharp instrument with its ensuing struggle, there may be numerous opportunities for the assailant also to sustain injuries.

By the very nature of such an assault, often with hand-to-hand combat and with multiple thrusts or slashes, it is quite difficult, or impossible, for the knife wielder to control each action. The following seven scenarios are proposed as possible causative factors in self-wounding.


Mechanism 1: While stabbing the victim, the assailant hits bone or otherwise resistant material. The abrupt stopping of the knife causes the assailant's hand to slide forward, allowing the hand gripping the knife to slide across the blade. Such a scenario typically would cause a slicing of the palmar surfaces of the hand or fingers. If the attack continues after the hand is cut, the presence of the assailant's blood on the knife handle reduces the gripping ability further, making even multiple self-wounding likely.

Mechanism 2: If the assailant wields the knife in one hand and tries to restrain the struggling victim with the other, it is possible that the assailant's hand on the victim will suffer a stab wound during the multiple thrusts. Such a stab wound would commonly be seen on the back of the hand or fingers or on the arm of the free hand.

Mechanism 3: If a folding knife without a locking blade, such as a jackknife, strikes a resistant surface, the knife blade can fold across the assailant's hand. Such an event would typically cause a guillotine-like knife-edge wound, either across the outer surfaces of the fingers or across the wrist or the heel of the palm, depending upon the knife's orientation in the assailant's hand.

Mechanism 4: Due to the great momentum involved in a typical stab, the knife may be capable of becoming lodged in bone or connective tissue. If the assailant attempts to remove the knife during the continuing struggle with the victim, it is possible that the hands could grasp a partially- exposed knife blade, causing slicing wounds to the palmar surfaces.

Mechanism 5: In a slashing action with a knife or other sharp-edged weapon, a glancing blow against the victim or a complete miss may, by the weapon's momentum, cause a slash injury to the assailant. Be cause of the virtually limitless degrees of freedom in how this slashing motion may be delivered toward the victim, the resulting injury to the assailant could occur to almost any part of the assailant's anatomy.

Mechanism 6: Similarly, defensive actions by the victim may cause a redirecting of the weapon's arc into the assailant. Again, the variety of possible movements makes for a limitless list of injuries possible.

Mechanism 7: In a struggle for control of the weapon, the assailant may grab for the weapon. This could result in slicing wounds to the palmar surfaces of the hand or fingers of the assailant.

It can reasonably be seen that some of these mechanisms are directly related to the design of the knife used. The absence of a guard between the hilt and blade certainly makes Mechanism 1 more likely, since the presence of such a guard would prevent the slipping of the hand onto the blade when the knife abruptly stops. Obviously the folding blade is unique to jack knives and other pocket knives; injuries as related in Mechanism 3 would be possible only with such a knife. Also, the absence of a bolster on the end of the hilt would make extraction of a knife from a victim more difficult, possibly begetting actions similar to Mechanism 4. It would seem likely that, in some instances, a description of the types of wounds found on the assailant possibly could be correlated with the murder weapon.


Source: http://www.forensic-lab.com/publications/cutslice.html
 
Today I watched on TV an episode of Snapped detailing the murder of James Nibbe by his wife Jennifer Nibbe. The parallels in this case to the Travis Alexander case are somewhat the same. Jennifer Nibbe's 911 call claimed her husband was shot by a masked intruder and she was attacked and cut with a knife (later assumed to be self-inflicted). At trial Jennifer Nibbe claimed abuse, (but never told anyone prior to shooting her husband as he lay sleeping) and PTSD. Here is a news article about her sentencing.

http://mankatofreepress.com/local/x2004685428/Family-speak-out-at-Nibbe-murder-sentencing
 
Most of our knives, including an even more lethal meat cleaver, are within easy reach on a strong 18" double magnetic strip made specifically for knives (thanks Julia Child for the tip), and while we have a gun, it's not as handy, and not currently loaded--and a policeman friend strongly advises against ordinary homeowners attempting to handle guns. So I've decided if we ever have to confront an intruder I'll reach first for the pepper spray/wasp spray and then for a big boy like this. :facepalm:
My ex-mother-in-law never wanted a block with knives sitting on her kitchen counter. She said she was always afraid that if someone broke into the house that they would use one of the knives from the block to stab her.

btw...order some "Bear Spray"...it is pepper spray that is made to use on bears when in the woods. Hubby got me some and it is as big as a bottle of hair spray!
 
I'm sorry, that was me who posted it. I just picked the first result rather than trying to get a better link. Here's a better link: http://www.trulia.com/homes/Arizona/Mesa/sold/20973669-11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212

I don't know what to say about the link you found. Here's another indicating a Jodi E. Alexander was born in 1980 and lives in Mesa, Arizona (where none of his relatives live AFAIK). Maybe let KCL know? She knows the family and if the listing isn't correct, maybe one of the family members can get it corrected. http://www.mylife.com/c-8765321266

I just find it interesting and odd. 1980 does happen to be the year Jodi was born. And a Jodi Alexander in Mesa would be quite a coincidence if he was no family member with that name. His family is all in Cali anyway. Wonder if she used his name on some of her info, like forms or computer logins, while she lived there. Not a big thing, but speaks to her delusion!

ETA: Just realized some of what I said you said too! lol...
 
I tried to listen to the interrogation and eventually gave up, JOdi using this very quiet aren't I sweet and helpless voice that my old ears can't hear. Is there a transcript anywhere of the interrogations?

I've not found any transcripts other than partials that may be embedded in some of the Nancy Grace show transcripts.

That said, she did not describe what the ninjas did to Travis other than disable him a bit with the gunshot wound. Her story is they told her to not say a word about it or they would hurt her and/or her family, and let her go, so she got in her car and drove away.
 
She must be kicking herself for not taking that memory card. Otherwise only the palm print pointed to her.

I would like to know what time her cell phone pinged on the 'cell tower 57m N of Kingman' we've heard about. An estimate of the driving time from Mesa would point to a likely leaving time from Mesa. A wide discrepancy might indicate a detour or lengthy stop for disposal of gun, bloody clothes etc. prior to Hoover Dam.

She panicked and left it behind. She mist have been really dissociated after killing him to leave the camera and card behind. So gross how she wanted to be the last person to see him alive and took pictures so she would be able to look back in some fantastical way at that day. A stalker like her would probably think,

"I got to see a side of Travis that no one got to see. I'm so special so have been the last to see him alive and have the opportunity to be the only one to send his spul to heaven. These are his funeral pictures before he died for me and only I get to see them." her momentos of his death and the day that will keep their names connected forever.

What. A. Psycho. Beeyatch.
 
If Martinez wants to secure Murder 1 he needs to stop badgering the witnesses for defendant. On the flip side, the defense is completely asleep and are relying not on their arguments, but credibility. Unfortunately not one witnessed has seemed credible yet. So the defense has no argument and no credibility?

As long as Martinez keeps being persistent (but not so loud and rude!) murder 1 should stick.

I don't see it as badgering. I think a jury will give an attorney permission to be aggressive if they believe the witness is being slippery (JA=check, Dr. Fog=check, Gus S.=check). But, since you see it as badgering, so could a jury member. You have a valid point.
 
If the jury has more questions, which I heard they do, then JW gets to question RS again on those questions as does JM.

Only if new info is brought out will they get another chance. They didn't get another go after the last batch of questions to Jodi.
 
I do not remember Flores' testimony including anything about forensically testing all knives found in Travis' home. In fact, it seems very little info has been testified to re the knife so far in this trial.

Also, when Flores testified, did he say no knives were missing in Travis' house?

Rebuttal, I hope? What do you guys think?

I just watched Det Flores testimony on this and he was asked if any of the knives found in the home was the knife used in the killing and he testified no
 
So funny how:

1. Jodi first tells detectives she had nothing to do with Travis and was not with him on day he died.

2. Comes up with the story of an armed robbery and how she survived as two masked intruders killed Travis.
A. Perhaps she dragged Travis to the bedroom to make it look like intruders attacked him upon entering the house with knife and then dragged him and continued stabbing in the bathroom area.
3. She admits to killing him, but in self defense.
A. Quite funny considering she bought all that gasoline and a conspicuous car. One wonders if her delusion and narcissism are so great that she believed she could kill him in shower and dismember him in there, and then wash away the evidence only to drive poor Travis's remains out to the desert to be burned and buried.
i. Unfortunately, It isn't like a movie or a photo shoot when you try to kill someone and things can get messy. I think she panicked when he was exited the shower and she found that she had stabbed him to death on carpet and evidence was everywhere.
ii. In her panic, with her plan foiled by a messy scene, she thought of what she could do to make it look like a robbery. She dragged his body by the door hoping it would look like he was initially assaulted by 2 armed thiefs by his front door and then his body dragged back into the bathroom.
a. Unfortunately the police noticed her handprint on the wall, her hair, the pictures, so much evidence she left behind in a panic as she realized her fantasy didn't play out the way she had expected. The overkill of the blow to the head post mortem and near decapitation of his head (which I think was her feeble attempt at dismembering him and she gave up in her panic).

All of these "excuses" are interesting to me because:

She seems to live in a fantasy world. Her expectations of the crime were so far fetched. Who would think they could get away with a clean crime scene with a victim that is twice their size and could put up a messy fight/possibly survive to accuse? Her expectations of her own abilities are quite inflated. When she finds that situations like a murder plot (or people!) do not meet her idealized expectations, her fantasy is destroyed and she flies into a dissociative state Devoid of all logic (leaving a camera and your fingerprints behind? Hello?!) and emotional connection.

I've wondered the same.

How to get the body out without having to deal with the 'dead weight' and without being seen?

Kill him in the shower and carve him up in pieces.

He didn't cooperate.

She blew it. :bang:

And now here we are, and there she is: :jail:
 
If Martinez wants to secure Murder 1 he needs to stop badgering the witnesses for defendant. On the flip side, the defense is completely asleep and are relying not on their arguments, but credibility. Unfortunately not one witnessed has seemed credible yet. So the defense has no argument and no credibility?

As long as Martinez keeps being persistent (but not so loud and rude!) murder 1 should stick.

When you have a witness like JA and the good doc who come to the stand with attitude. Who do not answer questions properly and who have no respect for the court of law I am sure it is hard to remain calm after asking the same question over and over and not getting an answer. I know he is a professional and should be calm, but I don't think the jury minds because they feel the frustration also. JA and the doc are just prolonging the jury's time in the box and I am sure they are getting tired and want to get on with it. jmo
 
I am spitting nickels over here! The more I watch the interrogation tapes, listen to the interviews of Travis' friends on HLN and hear about the bombshells from "sources" re the Cancun trip, the more my blood pressure goes up!

I truly value our legal system that ensures all of our rights, especially with regard to a fair trial but I'm at the point where I don't care about all that when it comes to Arias. I agree with Thurston's great post a few pages back - just keep hammering the jury with those awful pictures of how Travis was slaughtered, keep reminding them that this evil person was capable of such atrocious brutality.

Forget all the smoke and mirrors about her supposed pre- and post-stress. I don't care how many hired experts the defense puts up there because I would never believe what they would have to say - knowing that they are basing their evaluations on the lies that spew out of her mouth. Forget the anal sex, oral sex, pedophile claims, broken fingers - none of that matters in my mind... just more attempts to muddy the waters with sordid and unsubstantiated baloney.

I understand why - legally - certain things can't come into court but JUST ONCE I wish the jury could hear what we all have been hearing from Travis' friends about Jodi's obsessive, delusional, stalker behavior. I have faith in Juan Martinez but I wish the prosecution could just:

1. Have every one of Travis' friends go on the stand and relate all the creepy stories about her that we've seen on TV. Show the reality of her "relationship" with Travis as opposed to the fiction she has created.

2. For good measure, bring on the people who could testify to her stalker behavior with previous boyfriends. Bring back Darryl and put the screws on him to fess up to what he knows because he was more than reticent last time. Drag Matt to court for full disclosure re those magazines and whatever else he knows.

3. Show the video of her "sleeping" in Travis's lap and how petulant she is when she's not the center of attention.

4. Show every second of every police interrogation and the 48 Hours/Inside Edition tapes.

5. Show every cell phone call/text message/e-mail exchange; bank records would be nice too. Prove that Travis loaned her money and not the other way around; prove that Travis did not pay for her move to Mesa.

6. Continue to establish the premeditation elements.

7. Finish up with crime scene forensics and those awful pictures of what she did to Travis.

I can't imagine any sane person with a lick of sense and a fairly average life experience NOT seeing this for what it is. The jury should throw out every single thing Arias has said because she is a proven liar, who has lied right to their faces with impunity. They have been a captive audience to The Jodi Show and it's time to get the hook.

Just had to rant, thanks for listening. I know I haven't said anything that tons of you haven't already said with more brevity, but it feels good to vent!
 
She must be kicking herself for not taking that memory card. Otherwise only the palm print pointed to her.

I would like to know what time her cell phone pinged on the 'cell tower 57m N of Kingman' we've heard about. An estimate of the driving time from Mesa would point to a likely leaving time from Mesa. A wide discrepancy might indicate a detour or lengthy stop for disposal of gun, bloody clothes etc. prior to Hoover Dam.



http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...-jodi-arias-trial-focuses-on-cell-phone-usage
 
When you have a witness like JA and the good doc who come to the stand with attitude. Who do not answer questions properly and who have no respect for the court of law I am sure it is hard to remain calm after asking the same question over and over and not getting an answer. I know he is a professional and should be calm, but I don't think the jury minds because they feel the frustration also. JA and the doc are just prolonging the jury's time in the box and I am sure they are getting tired and want to get on with it. jmo

OTOH, when you have a judge like Sherry Stephens who just goes along for the ride, the DT will drive a train through the truck-sized hole.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
151
Guests online
250
Total visitors
401

Forum statistics

Threads
609,512
Messages
18,255,160
Members
234,678
Latest member
NavyGirl75
Back
Top