Lowe's Pulls Ads From American Muslim Time Slot

[Fairy1]

And, Lowes didn't make the meeting public. Those who wanted to meet with them gathered a petition and met with them.

BBM

You ARE kidding, right?

Who knows who made the original story public? I'm glad to see plenty of Christian representation calling them on it, though.

 

[ziggy]

1)Any show that portrays Muslim-Americans being good members of their community is suspect? Suspicions of fraudulence because it doesn't show members out on the street planning a jihad?

2)That is what happens when you're a world power. We are suppose to be better than countries who do so.

4) Muslims have to prove themselves to be true Americans. There are Muslims who were born in this country, fight in our armed forces, and give to this country and have for years. They don't have to prove anything to me. You shouldn't get your view of Muslims from t.v. and that includes the news. They are just like everyone else, I promise.

No one has said extremists don't exist. What we are saying is don't judge them all by a few wild cards.:twocents:

jmo

Do you have any people in your family that have converted to Islam? I typed some detail about mine, but then deleted it. It's dicey what's going on and it's right under our noses. Yeah, given the world climate I should say that since they want to kill us and kill the Jews that we would be childish and naive to think we should ignore that fact and take everything at face value that they sell to us. Not. Live in that world if you want to, but I guarantee the CIA, the FBI and Homeland Security don't.

 

[ziggy]

You have misquoted me long enough, Kimberly. I'm sure it's an accident, but it's time to stop.

WHAT I SAID was that faith in the Bible as divine revelation is not a rational conclusion. It is faith, or "Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."

(Emphasis added.)

RATHER THAN PROOF. It is a non-rational belief. As I've told you many times, I have my own non-rational beliefs in things I cannot prove.

I have never said that we who hold non-rational beliefs are "irrational" or insane.

But demanding that everyone else "respect" our leaps of faith is too much to ask. For one thing, your articles of faith are offensive according to mine. Who respects whom in such a case?

Nova: please knock it off. Google "sicentists who believe in God or the Bible". If you call her beliefs irrational then you are calling some very intelligent humans who have come to understand the connection and truth between science and religion who became believers. Just because you didn't doesn't mean you have the right to call others irrational. Using non-rational to try and do an end run is not right.

 

[ziggy]

Since the program in question focuses on American Muslims living in Michigan, I'd say that Lowe's and the small but obviously powerful conservative groups that complained are the ones exercising selective tolerance.

That's right, probably they are, but it should be their right to not use their advertising dollars to promote and financially support something they do not agree with. If you want this to be a free country for Muslims, then it has to be equally free for Lowes. Condemnation of one religious belief in favor of another is what people do all the time, even you on this thread. You can't legislate every damn thing. If the Muslims want to educate people on how American they are let them...oh wait. Didn't a man and wife start a Muslim TV station for that very reason and then when she wanted to leave him...he cut off her head.

 

[ziggy]

And Jesus weeps.

Oh please now you presume to know how Jesus would feel?

Plenty of advertisers were bijiggity when Glenn Beck started going all "God n stuff" on his show. When some of them pulled out because they didn't like the religious turn his show was taking did you come on here to post how Jesus was weeping? People have a right to disagree and to even dislike each other.

 

[jjw]

Do you have any people in your family that have converted to Islam? I typed some detail about mine, but then deleted it. It's dicey what's going on and it's right under our noses.

Yeah, given the world climate I should say that since they want to kill us and kill the Jews that we would be childish and naive to think we should ignore that fact and take everything at face value that they sell to us.

Not. Live in that world if you want to, but I guarantee the CIA, the FBI and Homeland Security don't.

Wow

That's right, probably they are, but it should be their right to not use their advertising dollars to promote and financially support something they do not agree with. If you want this to be a free country for Muslims, then it has to be equally free for Lowes. Condemnation of one religious belief in favor of another is what people do all the time, even you on this thread. You can't legislate every damn thing.

If the Muslims want to educate people on how American they are let them...oh wait. Didn't a man and wife start a Muslim TV station for that very reason and then when she wanted to leave him...he cut off her head.

Don't know that story. But he represents all Muslims? Again, wow.

Oh please now you presume to know how Jesus would feel?

Plenty of advertisers were bijiggity when

Glenn Beck started going all "God n stuff" on his show. When some of them pulled out because they didn't like the religious turn his show was taking did you come on here to post how

Jesus was weeping? People have a right to disagree and to even dislike each other.

The only reason advertisers pulled out from Glenn Beck was because of his Christian views. Yeah, sure.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

BBM

You ARE kidding, right?

Who knows who made the original story public? I'm glad to see plenty of Christian representation calling them on it, though.

I can't see what you bolded (Tapatalk), but I wasn't kidding about anything in the post.

 

[Nova]

Why would you even care what he weeps about? His words are nothing more than great literature in your opinion right?

Good question. LOL.

I don't actually know whether Jesus existed or not. The lack of historical record on the subject makes it very unlikely the events of the Gospels transpired as reported.

That's not to say there wasn't a great teacher from Nazareth wandering through Palestine in the fourth decade C.E.

And the icons of great literature come to have a sort of presence, whether or not they are based on historical persons.

 

[Nova]

Nova: please knock it off. Google "sicentists who believe in God or the Bible". If you call her beliefs irrational then you are calling some very intelligent humans who have come to understand the connection and truth between science and religion who became believers. Just because you didn't doesn't mean you have the right to call others irrational. Using non-rational to try and do an end run is not right.

There is nothing for me to "knock off". There is not a scientist on the planet who believes faith and reason are the same thing. But there are plenty of people--including myself and Kimberly--who hold some non-rational beliefs while remaining essentially rational beings. (And even if some physicists believe they have discovered forces that remind them of descriptions of God, that isn't the same thing as arriving at conclusions via faith.)

There's no "end run" on my part. I don't think people who believe in the supernatural are necessarily crazy; neither, however, is there objective proof of what they believe. So "non-rational" is the best word I have for the difference. I'm open to suggestions if you have a better term, but I'm not going to pretend that anyone logically arrives at the conclusion that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior.

 

[Nova]

I can't see what you bolded (Tapatalk), but I wasn't kidding about anything in the post.

Well, the original story contained an official quotation from a Lowe's spokesperson. So however the story made it into print, Lowe's obviously participated.

 

[Nova]

Oh please now you presume to know how Jesus would feel?....

I see no reason why I shouldn't speak for Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha, if I choose. Others (including the writers of the Gospels who never knew Jesus) speak for them; why shouldn't I?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Nova, you know yourself you made the Jesus weeps comment to get under the skin of the believers in this thread.

Ok, you accomplished your goal.

I personally believe Jesus weeps over a lot of Earthy things.
Ad space would not be on the top of the list.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok, as to the topic of the thread.

Lowes pulled their ads. They had every right to.

They are standing by their decision.

Nothing's gonna change.

I'm moving on. Nothing else really to talk about.

I hope every one here has a very Merry Christmas!!!