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scorpio24 said:
I think this is why Brooke Wilcox got immunity for her grand jury testimony but NOT for the trial testimony. She was used to corroborate Alexander Bradley. (I think they mentioned one more who had it for grand jury, but not for trial. I just can't remember, who...
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Jennifer Mercado also
 
arkansasmimi said:
Salvador, a psychology doctoral student, testified Monday that he met Hernandez at the Cure Lounge that night in 2012. He said he was with Hernandez for 7-10 minutes and that at no point did he see someone spill a drink or Hernandez appear angry.

“Not at all,” Salvador testified.

In fact, Salvador said when he asked Hernandez for a photo, the former New England Patriot “politely declined,” only to relent when Salvador told him it was his birthday.

The time here is important, in that surveillance video shows that Hernandez was inside the club for only nine minutes, meaning Salvador’s testimony puts the two together nearly the entire time.

The two then re-engaged outside the club a few minutes later where Salvador thanked him for the photo.

“No problem,” Hernandez said. “Have a good night.”

With witness testimony expected to conclude by Thursday at the latest, it’s reasonable to ask if the prosecution has overcome its burden of proving Hernandez guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Consider:

• There is no forensic evidence directly linking Hernandez to the shooting.

• One witness to the murders initially told police the shooter “looks like a female” with cornrows.

• The only eyewitness fingering Hernandez as the gunman, Alexander Bradley, is an acknowledged drug dealer who admits to having a bone to pick with Hernandez.

• The defense revealed Bradley, who testified Hernandez shot him in the face to shut him up about the double murders, deleted a text message that stated he didn’t know for sure who shot him in the face. https://gma.yahoo.com/aaron-hernand...art-prosecutions-entire-motive-195941790.html
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In the cross of Salvador, the CW got him to admit, that during the GJ testimony, he said he was with AH for more like 5 minutes or so. Not 7 to 10.

Also, he is a huge fan of AH. So he may be testifying in a more positive way, and leaving out anything that might hurt AH.

I agree the lack of direct evidence is a problem. AH may win because of that...



Alexander Bradley did not have a bone to pick with Hernandez until AFTER he was shot in the face.

That is why I cannot make it work in my mind, the way Baez is trying to put things.

Saying that AB shot the Boston victims, then someone else shot AB in the face and he immediately tells his cousin it was AH, even though it wasnt? Did he start this extortion plot right after he woke up in the hospital? That is hard to believe. Pretty complex thinking and strategy for a guy waking up with only one eye.

And again, that deleted text did not say he didn't know for sure who shot him in the face. It says the opposite. I hope the CW is able to explain it clearly for the jury.

I think that most people who watched the Odin trial, will believe that AH committed these crimes as well. That trial showed conclusively, what a cold hearted killer he was. And after watching that trial, and the way he set up that murder, it is easy to see that the Florida shooting was very similar. A bunch of friends take a late night drive and one gets dumped on the side of the road while the rest go home.

The only way the CW wins this case is if they give a stellar closing, in which they line up all the circumstantial evidence in a very tight narrative, and they can rebut whatever Baez comes up with tomorrow morning.

The good news for me is, whatever this jury decides, AH is still going to be safely locked away from civilized society...:jail:
 
Laurel J. Sweet‏ @Laurel_Sweet
And who is THIS guy? A member of the military stationed in Kuwait Team #AaronHernandez wants to call tomorrow is refusing to testify.

Laurel J. Sweet‏ @Laurel_Sweet
Locke must decide whether to force him and if his testimony can be taken by @Skype. Lawyers not saying what links him to #AaronHernandez.
 
BUF said:
Laurel J. Sweet‏ @Laurel_Sweet
And who is THIS guy? A member of the military stationed in Kuwait Team #AaronHernandez wants to call tomorrow is refusing to testify.

Laurel J. Sweet‏ @Laurel_Sweet
Locke must decide whether to force him and if his testimony can be taken by @Skype. Lawyers not saying what links him to #AaronHernandez.
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Who could it be, that does not want to testify, but could be forced to, from Kuwait, in uniform?

The only way he could be forced to is if he has major exculpatory evidence, right? I mean if he was an eye witness that purportedly saw AB shoot the Boston victims, and he told someone so, he could be forced to testify under oath to that?
 
katydid23 said:
Who could it be, that does not want to testify, but could be forced to, from Kuwait, in uniform?

The only way he could be forced to is if he has major exculpatory evidence, right? I mean if he was an eye witness that purportedly saw AB shoot the Boston victims, and he told someone so, he could be forced to testify under oath to that?
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Yeah, you would think, though my guess is it was probably just someone else at Cure that night. He was subpoenaed, which you are required to show up and someone then sent something on his behalf. Curious that the defense didn't say what the relation to AH is. The CW would also need time to interview him prior to him testifying, so don't think this is going to fly.
 
BUF said:
Yeah, you would think, though my guess is it was probably just someone else at Cure that night. He was subpoenaed, which you are required to show up and someone then sent something on his behalf. Curious that the defense didn't say what the relation to AH is. The CW would also need time to interview him prior to him testifying, so don't think this is going to fly.
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just a guess but I don't think we will hear from Kuwait tomorrow!!
 
katydid23 said:
In the cross of Salvador, the CW got him to admit, that during the GJ testimony, he said he was with AH for more like 5 minutes or so. Not 7 to 10.

Also, he is a huge fan of AH. So he may be testifying in a more positive way, and leaving out anything that might hurt AH.

I agree the lack of direct evidence is a problem. AH may win because of that...



Alexander Bradley did not have a bone to pick with Hernandez until AFTER he was shot in the face.

That is why I cannot make it work in my mind, the way Baez is trying to put things.

Saying that AB shot the Boston victims, then someone else shot AB in the face and he immediately tells his cousin it was AH, even though it wasnt? Did he start this extortion plot right after he woke up in the hospital? That is hard to believe. Pretty complex thinking and strategy for a guy waking up with only one eye.

And again, that deleted text did not say he didn't know for sure who shot him in the face. It says the opposite. I hope the CW is able to explain it clearly for the jury.

I think that most people who watched the Odin trial, will believe that AH committed these crimes as well. That trial showed conclusively, what a cold hearted killer he was. And after watching that trial, and the way he set up that murder, it is easy to see that the Florida shooting was very similar. A bunch of friends take a late night drive and one gets dumped on the side of the road while the rest go home.

The only way the CW wins this case is if they give a stellar closing, in which they line up all the circumstantial evidence in a very tight narrative, and they can rebut whatever Baez comes up with tomorrow morning.

The good news for me is, whatever this jury decides, AH is still going to be safely locked away from civilized society...:jail:
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I just have a hard time believing AB. Then relistening, to testimony over weekend, AB was kinda shocked when was asked about HIM also being in FL for 5 days not 3. He can not account for the other 2. Def showed documentation.

And true on the Cross of the first Def witness. But the witness is credible because they had the photo timestamp and the time frame of when AH entered and when went up to the next level and so forth.

Brooke W is not credible to me either. Again, I am only saying that CW hasn't proved beyond a reasonable doubt to me personally. I personally wouldn't be shocked if AB is truly the shooter. JMHO In the high volume drug trafficing he was doing, and still has some influence that is sending Brooke $$ even while he in jail (for shooting up a club). I do think that very possible AB was shot in FL by drug deal too. JMHO
 
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Who could it be, that does not want to testify, but could be forced to, from Kuwait, in uniform?

The only way he could be forced to is if he has major exculpatory evidence, right? I mean if he was an eye witness that purportedly saw AB shoot the Boston victims, and he told someone so, he could be forced to testify under oath to that?
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BUF said:
Yeah, you would think, though my guess is it was probably just someone else at Cure that night. He was subpoenaed, which you are required to show up and someone then sent something on his behalf. Curious that the defense didn't say what the relation to AH is. The CW would also need time to interview him prior to him testifying, so don't think this is going to fly.
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Forgive me haven't listened today, worked it the yard will pay for it tomorrow lol Good day to watch a trial :)

Monday Jose Baez called next witness as "Chris Hall". Unsure who that is as there is no one on tentative Def Witness List. Found a crime scene reconstructionist from Australia :thinking: surely not that guy though. Unsure on the person in Military. Also we do not know yet, the CW may have have already spoken with the witness? I sure the Dr Downs will be there tomorrow that is who will be the Def witness re ME testimony. What is interesting and odd to me is if the person is in Kuwait, why would the Def not know that earlier? They were served the subpoena, it would take more time to get that soldier home than someone just in another state. Bless that person whomever it is. No telling what kind of mission he/she on.
 
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Cathy‏ @courtchatter 5h5 hours ago
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#AaronHernandez - This guy is on def witness list. Is he wit def talked about today? Def says in Kuwait/wanting subpoena quashed. Link 2 AH?
 
[video=twitter;849325489277853702]https://twitter.com/TAGlobe/status/849325489277853702[/video]
 
[video=twitter;849322283923636225]https://twitter.com/Laurel_Sweet/status/849322283923636225[/video]
 
arkansasmimi said:
:thinking: maybe known to the victims?

The victims

Daniel de Abreu, 29, and Safiro Furtado, 28, were close friends who attended high school and served in the military together in Cape Verde before coming to the United States and settling in Boston. Family members and friends of the men have packed the courtroom for many of Hernandez’s pretrial hearings. http://nypost.com/2017/02/12/inside-next-aaron-hernandez-trial-star-witness-was-shot-in-the-face/
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That might be it. I have been expecting Baez to try and dirty the victims up a bit. Maybe this guy grew up with them in CV?
 
katydid23 said:
That might be it. I have been expecting Baez to try and dirty the victims up a bit. Maybe this guy grew up with them in CV?
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Defense is doing what Defense is suppose to do. Like or Dislike the Defense (I have heard everyone dislike the Def Attorneys in every single case I have ever followed, but that is what they are suppose to do. I not saying I always agree, but I also don't always agree with the Pros. As in the R Harris, they- Pros did some underhanded things against the Def in that case, not allowing the LEO to be questioned about their wrong doing, but that another case)

Person who Cathy from CC said photo of person in her tweet is on the Witness list but unsure if who is in Kuwait. So I am in process of checking through them for a while. But could also be someone who is also on LEO pd forces listed that got called on duty. Unsure, either way may know tomorrow.
 
arkansasmimi said:
Defense is doing what Defense is suppose to do. Like or Dislike the Defense (I have heard everyone dislike the Def Attorneys in every single case I have ever followed, but that is what they are suppose to do. I not saying I always agree, but I also don't always agree with the Pros. As in the R Harris, they- Pros did some underhanded things against the Def in that case, not allowing the LEO to be questioned about their wrong doing, but that another case)

Person who Cathy from CC said photo of person in her tweet is on the Witness list but unsure if who is in Kuwait. So I am in process of checking through them for a while. But could also be someone who is also on LEO pd forces listed that got called on duty. Unsure, either way may know tomorrow.
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My father and brother are both defense attorneys. I totally understand what they do and how important it is for them to do their jobs.

But everyone does not need to be as smarmy and slick as Baez...jmo :moo:
 
katydid23 said:
My father and brother are both defense attorneys. I totally understand what they do and how important it is for them to do their jobs.

But everyone does not need to be as smarmy and slick as Baez...jmo :moo:
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I remember Katy.
And there may be some that think that about those def attorneys too. I am not bias about Baez ;) Just giving my opinion as you are yours
 
Just thinking back, I wonder if the yesterday morning issue that was going on prior to trial was a last minute thing on the witness in Kuwait that the defense handed over to the CW. There was a tweet that said Haagan had gone up to sidebar with some papers. Kind of late if so.
 
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