GUILTY MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014 #2 *guilty*

[Jewels53]

Teen who faces 20 years behind bars 'for encouraging friend to kill himself' goes to Disney World and prom ahead of manslaughter trial


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"A teenager who allegedly encouraged her friend to kill himself last year has enjoyed her senior prom and a trip to Disney World while awaiting her manslaughter trial, it has emerged.

Michelle Carter's mother, Gail Carter, has been posting images to her daughter's social media pages showing her on trips and hanging out with friends - activities her alleged victim, 18-year-old Conrad Roy III, will never get to do, his aunt has said.

'We will never see him enjoy these milestones,' Becki Maki told the Boston Herald.

'To see her awaiting her manslaughter trial on a trip to Disney World with her friends, going to school competitions and going off to prom - it just seems like she doesn't understand the gravity of the actions that have led to the case against her.' "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-ahead-manslaughter-trial.html#ixzz4jhcxvUPS

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She's ordered not to use Social Media so her mother supposedly updates it for her. (yeah)
She's so deeply affected she is treated to Disney World.
I wonder how prom went for her.

The bbm seems like her mother doesn't see that her daughter may have done anything wrong either. So perhaps MC developed her tendency's from mommy. It doesn't mean that there are not other things wrong with MC. Why in the world would the mom continue to post for MC?

We only see MC's father behind her during the trial, but maybe her mother is going to be a witness and can't attend yet. idk.

just my rambling thoughts and moo

 

[Piney Woods]

I'll admit to not knowing the full story of his family and background influences. On one hand you can give a young man guidance and skillsets to move forward in life but then the knowledge to navigate social pitfalls, especially regarding young women might be absent. It's a tough row to hoe even for well adjusted men, much less teenagers.

 

[Steleheart]

I don't think she'll get much more than a lecture and a slap on the wrist in criminal court. HOWEVER, if the decedents parents took this case to civil court, I believe they have the chance to secure a settlement. While this will never bring their child back, it would exact painful punishment that the criminal court most likely can't.

I think garnishing any and all income this woman makes for the rest of her life (and by extension her parents) is a suitable punishment. Let's all relish for a moment in that thought. I hope the boys parents take this action. Nothing like a little wake up call to someone's bank account. She can trade her prom dress for a pizza delivery outfit. Sound good?

All amateur speculation and opinion

If the Judge finds her guilty he is held to the sentencing guidelines. For involuntary manslaughter ( common law) the minimum is 40-60 Mos.
Massachusetts Sentencing Grid

The Massachusetts Statute - General Laws Part IV Title I Chapter 265;

"Section 13. Whoever commits manslaughter shall, except as hereinafter provided, be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than twenty years or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars and imprisonment in jail or a house of correction for not more than two and one half years."

I believe she is charged under the common law Invol. Manslaughter vs the statute - manslaughter. So if she receives 40 months 'suspended' and violates the terms of probation (which she has shown she is likely to.) she'll be behind bars.

So Suspended sentence is the lightest I can see but it's no slap on the wrist IMO.

ETA; If I misinterpreted the applicable laws someone please help.

 

[Safeguard]

I understand your point and kind of agree, in principle.
But with Karla, are we CERTAIN she is living a normal, regular healthy life. I have thought about her when hearing about her raising her children.
Does she have a daughter? What happens when she starts noticing how much she looks like, sounds like, reminds her of her little sister, who she helped rape and kill?

How does she deal with and process those thoughts/feelings/memories?

And what about her new husband, and her brotherinlaw? Does it ever flash into their minds when they leave for a business trip, and see Mom alone with the kids ?

I just wonder how everyone comes back from something like that.

Right. I put "seemingly" because I was referring to the fact that ( allegedly), she had not been a danger to the public for 20 ish yrs now. No I don't think she does live a normal life in the sense that she is haunted. I don't think she feels remorse, really, but there are people dedicated to making sure she doesn't "forget".

Not endorsing that, but I do believe she should have been imprisoned for life, right along with her "King" as she called Bernardo, as she was the mastermind behind the crimes, and the one who originally came up with idea to go after more teens when her sister was no longer...available.. to abuse. (Yes she does have daughters two iirc. and I do feel bad for them). I don't KH has the capacity to "love" in the way that we understand it.

I compare her to MC only in the sense that her personality (disorder!) seems strikingly similar. She reminded me of KH from the jump.

 

[monkeypants]

I believe this Judge will find her guilty and this will set a legal precedent.

I absolutely agree.

 

[monkeypants]

http://archive.is/7YnMN

Nov 18th...who is she fooling?

 

[borndem]

Yet another <gag>.

 

[yupikgirl]

http://archive.is/7YnMN

Nov 18th...who is she fooling?

I know right.

I'm watching the trial on my living room tv (YouTube app)- and my 16 year old daughter is glued- staring in horror at things she's hearing. She hadn't heard of the case and doesn't know nearly what I know.

That said in reading her social media in the link above- can someone tell me when she was arrested? I was just curious based on the tweets I was just reading. Just wondering was she arrested in senior year or after she graduated.


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[Kadoober]

http://archive.is/7YnMN

Nov 18th...who is she fooling?

Thank you for posting this!
Whoever was asking a few days ago is MC had siblings... According to the tweets, she has a sister.

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[rosesfromangels]

Here's a big question. As a society, what do we do with morally defective people? In this situation, I think we all know *if* she gets any jail time (and that is a very big *if* in my mind), what happens after she gets out? She's "cured"? I highly doubt someone like this can be "cured". IMO and amateur speculation, this is an organic defect that can not be cured.

So what, as a society, do we do with people like this? Do most of them end up with some enabler that spends their life trying to keep the subject out of jail, or are the jails full of people who fit this profile?

Again, all amateur opinion and speculation, but from the armchair perspective, this gal looks mighty concerning to me. You can't teach empathy to people past the age of reason. (Age 10). Opinion only!

 

[Jewels53]

I know right.

I'm watching the trial on my living room tv (YouTube app)- and my 16 year old daughter is glued- staring in horror at things she's hearing. She hadn't heard of the case and doesn't know nearly what I know.

That said in reading her social media in the link above- can someone tell me when she was arrested? I was just curious based on the tweets I was just reading. Just wondering was she arrested in senior year or after she graduated.


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I believe it was in the Fall of her Senior year. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

 

[KaaBoom]

Here's a big question. As a society, what do we do with morally defective people? In this situation, I think we all know *if* she gets any jail time (and that is a very big *if* in my mind), what happens after she gets out? She's "cured"? I highly doubt someone like this can be "cured". IMO and amateur speculation, this is an organic defect that can not be cured.

So what, as a society, do we do with people like this? Do most of them end up with some enabler that spends their life trying to keep the subject out of jail, or are the jails full of people who fit this profile?

Again, all amateur opinion and speculation, but from the armchair perspective, this gal looks mighty concerning to me. You can't teach empathy to people past the age of reason. (Age 10). Opinion only!

I have a feeling she has already learned her lesson, and won't be encouraging any more people to commit suicide. But I doubt she will ever be cured. Hopefully she will get the mental help she obviously needs.

 

[monkeypants]

Here's a big question. As a society, what do we do with morally defective people? In this situation, I think we all know *if* she gets any jail time (and that is a very big *if* in my mind), what happens after she gets out? She's "cured"? I highly doubt someone like this can be "cured". IMO and amateur speculation, this is an organic defect that can not be cured.

So what, as a society, do we do with people like this? Do most of them end up with some enabler that spends their life trying to keep the subject out of jail, or are the jails full of people who fit this profile?

Again, all amateur opinion and speculation, but from the armchair perspective, this gal looks mighty concerning to me. You can't teach empathy to people past the age of reason. (Age 10). Opinion only!

20 years in jail would certainly give her pause for thought...you know,being 40 and all...

 

[borndem]

Here's a big question. As a society, what do we do with morally defective people? In this situation, I think we all know *if* she gets any jail time (and that is a very big *if* in my mind), what happens after she gets out? She's "cured"? I highly doubt someone like this can be "cured". IMO and amateur speculation, this is an organic defect that can not be cured.

So what, as a society, do we do with people like this? Do most of them end up with some enabler that spends their life trying to keep the subject out of jail, or are the jails full of people who fit this profile?

Again, all amateur opinion and speculation, but from the armchair perspective, this gal looks mighty concerning to me. You can't teach empathy to people past the age of reason. (Age 10). Opinion only!

From all the reading I've done (more than a little but less than a library), sociopathy cannot be cured. Ted Bundy was one in spades, for example. (So was/is Jeffrey MacDonald, IMO). Ted had psychopathic tendencies too, but he was always in the "here & now," aware of himself & his surroundings, he knew right from wrong, he did not hear voices telling him to do those awful things he did, so he was never psychotic to the point of being way-out-there insane. He planned & looked forward for the next one with glee. Kid in a candy shop.

MC loved Conrad <choke> but she said she was tired of him always talking about suicide, so that's why she "helped" him do what he wanted to do <re-choke>. Sociopaths who get over the edge and do terrible things usually end up in prison -- we've seen more than a few here on WS.

Those who can control their impulses are bankers, teachers, house builders, MD's, salesmen, politicians, coaches, etc., etc. They know they're not like others, but they imitate rather than kill or whatever.

All MO.

IMO, she is a danger walking unless she can learn to control herself and try hard to act just like the ones with the qualities she knows she is missing.

 

[DexterMorgan]

How can a person advocate for suicide awareness when they personally (a month prior) made sure that some vulnerable guy that trusted them, committed suicide?

So if anything.

She suffers a Muchaseen by proxy disorder.

Or she should would make a good terrorist spokesperson that gets people enthuzed about killing themselves.

Btw. Sorry for some misspelled words.

 

[zencompass]

Thanks Dexter Morgan .

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[zencompass]

Excellent comments D. Morgan . Sums up her behavior to a tee.

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[Safeguard]

Here's a big question. As a society, what do we do with morally defective people? In this situation, I think we all know *if* she gets any jail time (and that is a very big *if* in my mind), what happens after she gets out? She's "cured"? I highly doubt someone like this can be "cured". IMO and amateur speculation, this is an organic defect that can not be cured.

So what, as a society, do we do with people like this? Do most of them end up with some enabler that spends their life trying to keep the subject out of jail, or are the jails full of people who fit this profile?

Again, all amateur opinion and speculation, but from the armchair perspective, this gal looks mighty concerning to me. You can't teach empathy to people past the age of reason. (Age 10). Opinion only!

BBM

I like to look at it, from the other end of the lens, so to speak... Since there are any number of "morally defective" people in the world at large, and the justice system can only do so much, the question I would ask is, how can we better safeguard ourselves, and others, from these predatory creatures?

I don't have the perfect solution, but I feel like "love,( not any of the shallow understudies, but the real deal.), for each other, is our best defense.

We can't rid the world of evil, but we can step up our game and watch out for one another... which MC deliberately did NOT do for Conrad, but which we here at WS do, and we are AWESOME at it too.

"Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it"

 

[rosesfromangels]

BBM

I like to look at it, from the other end of the lens, so to speak... Since there are any number of "morally defective" people in the world at large, and the justice system can only do so much, the question I would ask is, how can we better safeguard ourselves, and others, from these predatory creatures?

I don't have the perfect solution, but I feel like "love,( not any of the shallow understudies, but the real deal.), for each other, is our best defense.

We can't rid the world of evil, but we can step up our game and watch out for one another... which MC deliberately did NOT do for Conrad, but which we here at WS do, and we are AWESOME at it too.

"Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it"

One of the best posts I have ever read. Thank you. And yes, peace and love! In the end, that's all that matters.

 

[Cubby]

BBM

I like to look at it, from the other end of the lens, so to speak... Since there are any number of "morally defective" people in the world at large, and the justice system can only do so much, the question I would ask is, how can we better safeguard ourselves, and others, from these predatory creatures?

I don't have the perfect solution, but I feel like "love,( not any of the shallow understudies, but the real deal.), for each other, is our best defense.

We can't rid the world of evil, but we can step up our game and watch out for one another... which MC deliberately did NOT do for Conrad, but which we here at WS do, and we are AWESOME at it too.

"Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it"

Add me to the list who agrees the above post is one of the best posted.