MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #10

[Aquarian]

Trying to look up Dr Marie Russel’s work on dog bites. There is an abstract , but most behind wall.

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Marie-A-Russell-64909581

 

[pavlovsdaughter]

DBM, double post.

 

[nightowl1975]

@TedDanielnews

Judge tells ADA Lally to find a rebuttal witness in case she allows Dr. Russell to testify. Lally says that could be done in a week.


10:50 AM · Jun 18, 2024

Good luck to Lally on this one. Unless he puts up another “expert” like what he’s done thus far, I suspect he will struggle to find anyone reputable that will dispute Dr Russell’s conclusions. Otherwise, they would’ve presented him or her instead of the ridiculous “expert” testimony we’ve seen already.

 

[mzmarymac]

Looking at that photo, I can exactly see a dog biting and it's claw marks on either side of the bite mark. Exactly how a dog would "hold" you as it bit. IMO

This is the photo I first saw very early on in my knowledge of the case that made me decide categorically that this man was the victim of a dog attack. No one can convince me otherwise.

 

[Spectrix]

And now for the ceiling fan. Recess until Thursday.

The ceiling fan has been witness to the entire case and is probably more qualified to be involved than any of the prosecution's selection of 'experts'.

 

[mzmarymac]

@TedDanielnews

Dr. Marie Russell is excused. Judge says she doesn't know if she will be allowed to testify and asks if she'll be around for a few days. Judge says we'll let you know


10:35 AM · Jun 18, 2024

This woman is ridiculously more qualified and credible than ANY of the witnesses brought forth by the CW. What is there to think about??? GMAB.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Hopefully not lest it cause a mistrial.

The jurors can't follow the Read case or anything associated with it, but they are not required to wipe their memories of past deeds by state troopers or FBI involvement in other cases involving state troopers. Discussion of possible FBI involvement during deliberations will not result in a mistrial.

 

[kittythehare]

Marie A. Russell

soft tissue wounds and infections – gunshot wounds, stab wounds, patterned wounds wound ballistics dog bites, law enforcement and civilian gang violence nonverbal gang communication – the forensic significance of tattoos, graffiti. hand signs and dress (“colors”) forensic significance of gang...

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Expertise​

• soft tissue wounds and infections - gunshot wounds, stab wounds, patterned wounds
• wound ballistics
• dog bites, law enforcement and civilian
• gang violence
• nonverbal gang communication -the forensic significance of tattoos,graffiti. hand signs and dress ("colors")
• forensic significance of gang graffiti,dress and tattoos
• domestic violence - elder abuse,child abuse
• homicide and serial homicide
• gunshot, stab and patterned wounds
• correctional (jail) medicine
• police abuse
• police procedures and techniques -pepper spray, restraint procedures,Taser
• forensic pathology
• clinical forensic medicine

Additional Information​

• Fellow, American College of Emergency Physicians Consultant, Los Angeles Regional Poison Control Center

Police abuse.

 

[nightowl1975]

@JHall7news

The Judge asks Wolfe what he was asked to do - he says he was asked to do an analysis based on info he was given. Cannone: who sent you the information?

He says it was the FBI and the dept of justice. That's the first time the FBI has been mentioned openly. Of course jury is not present.

Do we really believe that not a single juror is watching/following this stuff outside the courtroom? Asking for a friend.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Do we really believe that not a single juror is watching/following this stuff outside the courtroom? Asking for a friend.

I don't know, but it's been my personal experience at least that most jurors really do take their job seriously.

If a juror or two did obtain outside info and let the other jurors know, they'll get reported. These jurors have worked too long at this. I suspect something like this happened with the last juror dismissed, which is why several other jurors were called up to speak with the judge.

 

[jepop]

Do we really believe that not a single juror is watching/following this stuff outside the courtroom? Asking for a friend.

I want to believe that juries take their duties seriously. If any have been,even inadvertently, then imo it's bad news. It's a different state but a juror was dismissed during Murdaugh trial for accidentally mentioning case to another person IIRC. Judge Newman emphasised juror had done nothing wrong but they still had to go cos future appellate issue. (in this case judge received email from person this juror spoke to outside court). moo

 

[Aquarian]

Good luck to Lally on this one. Unless he puts up another “expert” like what he’s done thus far, I suspect he will struggle to find anyone reputable that will dispute Dr Russell’s conclusions. Otherwise, they would’ve presented him or her instead of the ridiculous “expert” testimony we’ve seen already.

Idk what the Judge would say, but aren’t they entitled to have rebuttal after the defense case in MA? I have no idea if Lally would go that route .

 

[kittythehare]

The jurors can't follow the Read case or anything associated with it, but they are not required to wipe their memories of past deeds by state troopers or FBI involvement in other cases involving state troopers. Discussion of possible FBI involvement during deliberations will not result in a mistrial.

I'm not worried about the jurors seeing something they're not meant to see.
My concern is that it will be blurted out in open court.

 

[kittythehare]

Idk what the Judge would say, but aren’t they entitled to have rebuttal after the defense case in MA? I have no idea if Lally would go that route .

The Judge offered him that, if she decides Dr Russel is in.

He is very well compensated for a late witness.

The Defense, not so much.

 

[kittythehare]

I don't know, but it's been my personal experience at least that most jurors really do take their job seriously.

If a juror or two did obtain outside info and let the other jurors know, they'll get reported. These jurors have worked too long at this. I suspect something like this happened with the last juror dismissed, which is why several other jurors were called up to speak with the judge.

I am so curious about that.

Sue O Connell mentioned it several times in tweets the next day.

The empty chair.

Described the juror as a most engaged juror..

I was wondering what she knows..

That makes sense.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Idk what the Judge would say, but aren’t they entitled to have rebuttal after the defense case in MA? I have no idea if Lally would go that route .

If Trooper Joe Paul was his expert to explain how the murder happened, I doubt Lally has any other experts in his back pocket.

 

[nightowl1975]

Wow, these ARCCA witnesses are true experts. Very impressive. Take note CW!

To be fair, the CW likely couldn’t find experts to say what they needed, so they had to take what they could get.

 

[shotgun09]

If Trooper Joe Paul was his expert to explain how the murder happened, I doubt Lally has any other experts in his back pocket.

Paging Trooper Tully, call on line one......

 

[keek]

So why didn't he leave her if things were so bad? Needed that babysitter though. JMO

It's made so that YOU end up leaving. Age old behavior.

 

[weepingangel]

This is the photo I first saw very early on in my knowledge of the case that made me decide categorically that this man was the victim of a dog attack. No one can convince me otherwise.

This is my first time seeing this pic up close and I have no idea how that could be attributed to any sort of vehicle incident. Also, just throwing this out there, not sure about Canton but my part of MA has lots of coyotes in populated areas that are not afraid of humans at all. Wondering if these could have been caused in the yard by a wild animal after he was already incapacitated?