MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

[pavlovsdaughter]

My opinion is that a police offer sharing confidential details about an active investigation is severe misconduct and a huge breach of public trust. Law enforcement are meant to be held to a higher standard than average citizens. It is far more serious than mere gossiping.

 

[Charlot123]

They actually need to switch states if not country for this one, if they're that sure of a prosecution they should be forced to pay relocation costs. to very far away places for both the defense and themselves

I think they have another big case coming, and maybe that one will be more drastic. If this small case split the state, the other one is way worse, and the victim was young and maybe even disabled? Not sure. In short, these in power may need to look at changing the whole structure after that.
So I am far away, and "not my state", even, but I can see how pregnant the situation in MA is. For everyone. You can't fire too many cops because the crime will be up and you can't pretend that nothing is happening, either.

 

[kittythehare]

Someone mentioned this earlier, here is the news article about it:

Police investigating after dead turtle left outside home of Turtleboy blogger’s parents

The same day Karen Read’s trial ended in a hung jury, someone left a grisly surprise for Turtleboy blogger Aidan Kearney’s parents.

www.boston.com

Police investigating after dead turtle left outside home of Turtleboy blogger’s parents​

The same day Karen Read’s trial ended in a hung jury, someone left a grisly surprise for Turtleboy blogger Aidan Kearney’s parents.​

That was me, thanks

 

[Misy]

I have the NYT on full boycott so I cannot read this.

Strong feelings is not enough to corrupt a jury.
They saw the evidence, better than we did.
The medical evidence was simplified, particularly by Dr Sheridan.

Simplified BARD.
With reasons and rationale provided in simple language. It's not like he is not an expert, 13000 autopsies.

What could have possibly tainted them after hearing that???

It cannot be the colour of her hair, clothes, mannerisms or personality because that only goes so far.


I think there is a story here, a big story.

I have no idea who will dare to break it though..

Can you elaborate kittythehare? Please. I’m so interested in what you’re saying here! Tia!

 

[jepop]

My opinion is that a police offer sharing confidential details about an active investigation is severe misconduct and a huge breach of public trust. Law enforcement are meant to be held to a higher standard than average citizens. It is far more serious than mere gossiping.

Yes. Seriously, how on earth can it not be? Proctor shared details of his active investigation with his circle of buddies. He was more than just an investigator, he was THE LEAD investigator on the case. Proctor has to be held accountable not only because of his severe misconduct and failure to work witin the standards expected of one in his position, but also because in breaching public trust he undermines the integrity of the MSP. IMO

But it's more than that: Proctor was also sending misogynist text messages targetting Karen Read to fellow officers involved in the investigation, including Trooper Bukhenic, who testified in the case. Imo it's also severe misconduct, a complete breach of professional standards, and possibly even more in a legal sense, to be encouraging and spreading hate, to be actively spreading, if not encouraging, misogynistic attitudes within the MSP. Moo

For any one giving Proctor a pass, if you are a woman or the husband, friend, brother, father, grandfather or son of a woman maybe think about whether this seems ok or not. Moo

 

[TIGER0822]

Venting to a friend in text message about a fellow officers murder and what he perceives as his murderer is not that big a deal.
Was it Krass and unsavory of course.
But that is all I see him guilty of.

<modsnip>

moo

'I bet the home owners will get some sh..
'no he is a Boston cop'.

 

[kittythehare]

Can you elaborate kittythehare? Please. I’m so interested in what you’re saying here! Tia!

I'll try.

The evidence that he was hit by a vehicle was simply not evident from his body.

They're after screwing up the entire justice system to prove what cannot be proved.
To me this is completely insane and I want to know why they're doing it and how far do they intend taking it? Who gains, in their group mind?

 

[kittythehare]

Yes. Seriously, how on earth can it not be? Proctor shared details of his active investigation with his circle of buddies. He was more than just an investigator, he was THE LEAD investigator on the case. Proctor has to be held accountable not only because of his severe misconduct and failure to work witin the standards expected of one in his position, but also because in breaching public trust he undermines the integrity of the MSP. IMO

But it's more than that: Proctor was also sending misogynist text messages targetting Karen Read to fellow officers involved in the investigation, including Trooper Bukhenic, who testified in the case. Imo it's also severe misconduct, a complete breach of professional standards, and possibly even more in a legal sense, to be encouraging and spreading hate, to be actively spreading, if not encouraging, misogynistic attitudes within the MSP. Moo

For any one giving Proctor a pass, if you are a woman or the husband, friend, brother, father, grandfather or son of a woman maybe think about whether this seems ok or not. Moo

I wouldn't be giving him a pass but am most interested in tracking this back to its origin..
But it probably isn't just Proctor.
He's not working for himself, most likely, was possibly following orders..

 

[keek]

'I bet the home owners will get some sh..
'no he is a Boston cop'.

CRASS and unsavory doesn't have your cruiser, uniforms and gun take from you in your new 'position' that he was moved to for the time being. Next...

 

[jepop]

I wouldn't be giving him a pass but am most interested in tracking this back to its origin..
But it probably isn't just Proctor.
He's not working for himself, most likely, was possibly following orders..

Following orders to spread misogyny? I'm probably misreading you. He is probably one of a number doing the same thing jmo, though I'm not willing to speculate that there is actually a widespread culture of misogyny in MSP. jmo

 

[keek]

I wouldn't be giving him a pass but am most interested in tracking this back to its origin..
But it probably isn't just Proctor.
He's not working for himself, most likely, was possibly following orders..

I would say any and all employees of the State Police were, on the stand no less. VAGUENESS was their friend.

 

[TIGER0822]

CRASS and unsavory doesn't have your cruiser, uniforms and gun take from you in your new 'position' that he was moved to for the time being. Next...

agreed. there was more to this than crass and unsavory.

 

[Warwick7]

As someone said earlier: "The inverted video fiasco came out of left field in middle of trial. KR Defense now has months to investigate/subpoena/make motions/discovery demands etc about this issue. Expect this to be MUCH worse for DA at possible retrial."

 

[Cedars]

Someone mentioned this earlier, here is the news article about it:

Police investigating after dead turtle left outside home of Turtleboy blogger’s parents

The same day Karen Read’s trial ended in a hung jury, someone left a grisly surprise for Turtleboy blogger Aidan Kearney’s parents.

www.boston.com

Police investigating after dead turtle left outside home of Turtleboy blogger’s parents​

The same day Karen Read’s trial ended in a hung jury, someone left a grisly surprise for Turtleboy blogger Aidan Kearney’s parents.​

Poor turtle. Honestly, why do they always have to sacrifice innocent animals? Because humans are crazy and animals are sane, that's why.

JMO

 

[thebedbug]

My opinion is that a police offer sharing confidential details about an active investigation is severe misconduct and a huge breach of public trust. Law enforcement are meant to be held to a higher standard than average citizens. It is far more serious than mere gossiping.

That's a reasonable opinion to have, but it happens. If I recall, some of the early details of the Idaho student murders were suspected to have made it online after being shared by police to non-police. And, allegedly, the same with the fake abduction girl in Georgia(?). Also, the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash investigation.

It's a murder investigation. He did something he shouldn't have and is being punished. I don't think anyone disagrees. I think the side-eyes come when we see people trying to then connect A to B and B to C and C to D... when really it's just A.

 

[keek]

That's a reasonable opinion to have, but it happens. If I recall, some of the early details of the Idaho student murders were suspected to have made it online after being shared by police to non-police. And, allegedly, the same with the fake abduction girl in Georgia(?). Also, the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash investigation.

It's a murder investigation. He did something he shouldn't have and is being punished. I don't think anyone disagrees. I think the side-eyes come when we see people trying to then connect A to B and B to C and C to D... when really it's just A.

There is that Federal investigation he has been under along with others prior to this case. Bigger than him but he did have 'fun' with this one too, oh boyy Mr. P.

 

[jepop]

One thing this case has taught me:

Lies told with the dull monotone of the state are far more dangerous than lies told with any sort of charisma and edginess.

Jmo

Good Point, those lies probably tend to fly under the radar if you're not paying attention and it was hard paying attention to Lally cos dull monotone as you point out. jmo

 

[Cedars]

That's a reasonable opinion to have, but it happens. If I recall, some of the early details of the Idaho student murders were suspected to have made it online after being shared by police to non-police. And, allegedly, the same with the fake abduction girl in Georgia(?). Also, the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash investigation.

It's a murder investigation. He did something he shouldn't have and is being punished. I don't think anyone disagrees. I think the side-eyes come when we see people trying to then connect A to B and B to C and C to D... when really it's just A.

I agree, there are people like this everywhere. IMO it usually involves some kind of arrogance: they believe they can do no wrong, and indeed, people don't challenge them, often because everyone just wants to get along. Lawyers, teachers, soldiers, spies, it doesn't matter, there are always bad apples turning up, who go too far in flouting professional ethics and decent behaviour - the good news is when they are caught and weeded out.

But IMO, they are the opposite of minions acting for a boss in a larger conspiracy. IMO they are entirely self-directed, acting out of their own sense of self-importance, missing out entirely on the big picture and the damage they may be causing.

Say, a school teacher caught flirting with students - would this person be acting on orders from the school superintendent determined to undermine kids? Or a massage therapist who gets too handsy - is that person acting under orders to groom his victims for some massive sex trafficking ring?

JMO

 

[Odeto BJ]

That's a reasonable opinion to have, but it happens. If I recall, some of the early details of the Idaho student murders were suspected to have made it online after being shared by police to non-police. And, allegedly, the same with the fake abduction girl in Georgia(?). Also, the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash investigation.

It's a murder investigation. He did something he shouldn't have and is being punished. I don't think anyone disagrees. I think the side-eyes come when we see people trying to then connect A to B and B to C and C to D... when really it's just A.

Understanding that Proctor's exchange with his buddies was totally unacceptable for an investigator and that the content of the texts was crass and crude...but something more fundamental is in play. The investigation itself was done with total disregard for the integrity of evidence and without abidance with any form of report structure. In summary, he failed to apply basic investigation techniques. The CW went to trial relying on that evidence. Proctor was proven negligent and defiant to his organization's processes, procedures and protocols ON THE WITNESS STAND for the CW and everyone to see. By any measure, the shortfall represented by the outcome lands pretty solidly in Proctor's lap.
So far he has been shifted from a high responsibility, high exposure, high profile assignment...to something else. That may well be only a first step, but his record on this case in the absence of all these exchanges mandates at least that much of a punishment.
While the specific timing and broadcast of that step and the announcement of the accompanying investigation reeks of political taint, I don't think MSP had much choice but to respond. MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Following orders to spread misogyny? I'm probably misreading you. He is probably one of a number doing the same thing jmo, though I'm not willing to speculate that there is actually a widespread culture of misogyny in MSP. jmo

No, not just misogyny, that's just cultural and probably endemic, I don't know. I'm far more concerned by his apparent flagrant disregard for the code of ethics he swore upon and how easily it became breached and normalised within a really rapid time frame.. crazy stuff, like swearing he'd spoken to an official who had informed him that no snow plough ran that night.
That simply was not the case..