MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

[MyJoey]

That says 'a warrant last week'
What year exactly?
Link is geoblocked

It comes right up for me. The news article is dated 2/1/2024

 

[kittythehare]

It comes right up for me. The news article is dated 2/1/2024

we probably don't live in the same country.

 

[Wishbone]

Ummm couldn’t we say all of them were drunk and excuse all behavior then. Shes stone cold sober making them interviews and changing up how she last saw him. I mean if she seen him putting her head in the door why would she question hitting him. Drives me crazy that everyone totally excuses everything she does.
When new experts are brought in that say John was hit by a car…then what. Tail light pieces around his body and in his shirt say he was.

All those tail light pieces, with extra pieces that did not belong to the lexus tail light and fit into the reconstruction after it was assembled in the lab. New experts won't be able to account for those extra pieces that aren't a part of the original tail light.

 

[TTF14]

There’s also zero evidence that John ever entered that house or that any one else hurt him. Sadly in my eye so many people’s lives have been ruined over this.

And why is there no evidence of that? Because they never checked the house.

A cop dies on the front lawn and the house isn't even searched. Totally legit.

IMO MOO

 

[Spectrix]

I think in trial watching, we have also seen many instances where experts gave conflicting testimony, and we are left to decide which sides experts were more convincing.

What does being an "expert" even mean anymore?

It doesn't take an expert to understand that a man hit by a car so hard he was deposited 8 feet away from the roadway would sustain injuries below his head.

I ask you, with the upmost sincerity, to explain how you think this vehicular homicide played out, exactly?

 

[Halloqueenie]

No matter how many reshufflings might come along. A reshuffle doesn't mean anything negative for a department keen and capable of getting justice for not only one of their own...but to restore faith in their community that they are a force to be reckoned with.

RSBM
How utterly deplorable that their priority would be restoring faith about being a force to be reckoned with, as opposed to a force that operates with justice, truth, and integrity. Nobody doubts that they’re tenacious when they think you’ve murdered someone. What’s up for dispute is how low they will stoop to prove their suspect is guilty.

 

[TTF14]

RSBM
How utterly deplorable that their priority would be restoring faith about being a force to be reckoned with, as opposed to a force that operates with justice, truth, and integrity. Nobody doubts that they’re tenacious when they think you’ve murdered someone. What’s up for dispute is how low they will stoop to prove their suspect is guilty.

Excellent first post. Welcome to WS/out of lurkdom!

 

[Misy]

Regarding JA’s motion to dismiss … who rules on this? Tia!

 

[thebedbug]

I don't think she lied, but even if she did, would that change the fact that John wasn't struck by a vehicle?

It is not a fact that John was not struck by a vehicle.

One set of experts offered this opinion based on pictures they looked at, while not considering other evidence that very much argues he was struck.

 

[ShadyLady]

For those who watched the trial, we know the ME testified a beating was absolutely possible.

We also heard the CW's dog DNA expert admit that she had no idea how/where John's clothing was swabbed (hint, they came from Michael Proctor) and that dog's claws tend not to transmit DNA because they consist of mostly dead tissue.

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IMO, DNA swabs should have come from the actual wounds on JO's arms, like a rape kit. And they looked like bite marks so why not test for dog's (or animal) DNA.

Also so troubling that MP had no chain of custody on evidence. Speaks volumes.

 

[HarmonyE.]

IMO, DNA swabs should have come from the actual wounds on JO's arms, like a rape kit. And they looked like bite marks so why not test for dog's (or animal) DNA.

Also so troubling that MP had no chain of custody on evidence. Speaks volumes.

And we have no idea what Proctor allegedly swabbed and sent in. Given that he planted taillight, there is no reason to assume his handling of John's clothing was legit.

 

[rescuemom]

Colin Albert " belongs to" ( son of ) Julie and Chris Albert. Chris Albert is an elected Canton Town Selectman. Chris Albert owns a pizza shop in Canton, and is the brother of Brian Albert, previous owner of 34 Fairview where JOK's body was found.
Julie Albert, Colin's Mom...offered to buy a "gift" for Michael Proctor ( Lead Investigator, now suspended without pay) shortly after the death of JOK, for " when this is all over". Testified to in court.

thanks, I missed him in the line up, no pun intended

 

[TIGER0822]

Thanks..

This bit though..

“The proceedings continue to be the daily subject of commentary on various social media platforms,” the judge added. “People associated with the case have been charged with intimidation.”

Hardly appropriate to refer to an ongoing dodgy, at best, case in this fashion or amirigh

Who has been charged with intimidation?

 

[HarmonyE.]

Regarding JA’s motion to dismiss … who rules on this? Tia!

Judge Beverly Cannone.

I think she'll have to speak to each juror individually and ask each if they intended to find Read not guilty on counts 1 and 3. If all 12 are definitive that they did, she'll have to grant the motion, IMO.

But I suspect she'll find enough ambiguity in their responses to deny the motion. Even though she's the one who screwed up here in not clarifying whether they were hung on all counts.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Who has been charged with intimidation?

Nine Canton residents who were picketing across the street from Chris Albert's pizza place and Turtleboy who has something like 32 counts pending.

 

[ShadyLady]

I found where KR is between BH and JO at the bar, start at about 28ish minutes.

Karen Read's Defense Rips Brian Albert Over Testimony, Allegedly Wiping Cell Phone​

 

[kittythehare]

Who has been charged with intimidation?

Link in post.

 

[ShadyLady]

There’s also zero evidence that John ever entered that house or that any one else hurt him. Sadly in my eye so many people’s lives have been ruined over this.

BH testified he thought a tall man with dark hair came into the house.

I would love to see a layout of the house. I suspect JO came in through the main door of the house and BA said the door to the basement was 6-8ft from the front door. That seems odd to be so close, but would like to see.

 

[TIGER0822]

That clip was a fake< put out by an involved party it was found.

Whoever put it out gave fair warning that it is was a fake, he had the word 'troll' as part of his user name!

 

[Wishbone]

Honestly I could only watch parts of his testimony, it was brutal. I believe the CW needs a good reconstruction expert.
I believe it happened somewhat the way Paul said, but not thrown 30 feet, his body was only 8 feet I believe from the road.

We've heard from two non biased independent reconstruction experts hired and paid for by the FBI and DOJ. They completely refuted trooper paul's testimony. If the cw had a better option than paul they would have put them on the stand.