MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #17

[TIGER0822]

January 2025. But the judge even admitted her ruling on the motion to dismiss two of the charges will almost certainly result in an appeal being filed by the losing side. So the odds of a new trial even happening at any time in 2025 aren't high.

She gave the game away! She has already ruled in favor of the CW! MOO

 

[bobbymkii]

January 2025. But the judge even admitted her ruling on the motion to dismiss two of the charges will almost certainly result in an appeal being filed by the losing side. So the odds of a new trial even happening at any time in 2025 aren't high.

But if she rules to dismiss the charges, surely the CW can't appeal because isn't the motion is to dismiss with prejudice and double jeopardy would apply.

Whatever happens I hope to God she's not still the judge for the next trial. She's one of the main reasons for the mistrial IMO.

 

[TIGER0822]

But if she rules to dismiss the charges, surely the CW can't appeal because isn't the motion is to dismiss with prejudice and double jeopardy would apply.

Whatever happens I hope to God she's not still the judge for the next trial. She's one of the main reasons for the mistrial IMO.

Far as I know she will be!

 

[HarmonyE.]

But if she rules to dismiss the charges, surely the CW can't appeal because isn't the motion is to dismiss with prejudice and double jeopardy would apply.

Whatever happens I hope to God she's not still the judge for the next trial. She's one of the main reasons for the mistrial IMO.

She'll be the judge unless she retires or dies in the interim. Even if they move the case to western Massachusetts.

It's my understanding that the prosecution can appeal the judge's motion to dismiss in MA. Believe it's called an interlocutory appeal. Not that I think this judge is likely to side with the defense, but you never know.

 

[iusedtofloat]

What is the source of this information?
Please provide a link.

There's not going to be news articles about that specific topic, unfortunately. However, multiple family members and friends have confirmed that the McC's and A's were NOT present at his funeral. Sorry it isn't a news story.

 

[iusedtofloat]

When was the last time we've ( everyone not just people here on this forum) seen a town ripped so completely apart like this? It's coming from ALL sides. It's not just outside the town pressure, it's coming from the inside too. There's vandalism, intimidation, terrorism, drama, violence, corruption, fear, protests, counter-protests, contentious town hall meetings, more drama, FBI involvement, incitements, Internal Affairs investigations, even more drama, DEA involvement, NETFLIX series, 48hrs Episodes, Dateline Episodes, Court TV Episodes etc, etc, etc!

It's only going to get worse...WAY worse if this goes forward again. It's a modern day Hatfields & McCoys. Another trial and maybe the National Guard is going to have to come in for support. And boy once those boys and girls come to down things really tend to get weird! Roadblocks, armed soldiers in groups roaming the streets, permissions and denials, movements become "monitrored", There's guys on the roofs with binoculars and night-vison scopes, It's not fun believe me! We've had the Guard come in for some help with Hurrican relief and it's not an enjoyable slice of American Pie if you catch my meaning! The CW needs to reconsider.

It's like a trashy version of Twin Peaks.

 

[Forest_Wood]

In my opinion there is a lot of circumstantial evidence of a cover up.
-Two phones completely destroyed with phone numbers changed the day before a protective order came down.
-The text ‘tell them the guy was not in the house’. That is an order not a statement.
Proctors texted that ‘he thought that it was initially a fight, with no investigation
Another text that (Colin??/ forget name) was involved shhh..:
Colin not being listed as being in the house
‘I bet the homeowners are going to get some serious sh ..
‘No he is a Boston Cop’.
Two friends changing from texting to some snap chat thing messaging.
McCabe stating that she would get Proctor a present when this was all over’. “Give it to my wife’
FBI specialist hired recon team
‘The car did not have damage consistent with hitting a person and JO injuries were not consistent with being hit by a car’. ‘You can’t deny the science and the physics’
‘The inverted video.
Feel free to add.
I could go on, but my flight is boarding! MOO

Great list of circumstantial evidence of some kind of cover-up.
Here are some more maybe not mentioned:

'MP going to make sure to put serious charges on the girl'.
'3 pieces of plastic turning into 5 pieces on the witness stand'.
'Don't maintain any logs for chain of custody'.
'BH seeing a tall man with dark hair come into the house'.
'JOK took 80 steps and descended or ascended 3 flights of stairs'.
'At 12:32 am, JOKs phone took another 36 steps, and travelled 25 meters, after KR was gone.'
'Karen Read connected to JOKs wifi at 12:36 after a 6 minute drive on a good day, so she was gone by 12:30 at the latest'.
'Ryan and Heather testified independently that Karen was alone in the SUV with John not in the SUV'.
'Ryan testified no damage on the rear light of the SUV when he was parked behind her'.
'Jenn McCabe lied about the time she watched KR's SUV parked outside, from 12:29 right through 12:50 but KR was gone by 12:30'.
'Higgins being insistent that JOK go with him that night, waving him over at the Waterfall, and then calling his phone asking if he was coming'.
'BH goes to the police station after a night of drinking'.
'Chloe vanishes. Never to be seen again'.
'Expert opinions from Dr Russell (1000 animal attacks and wrote a book about dog attacks) and Dr Sheridan (12,000 autopsies) testifying that the arm injuries were likely from a dog attack.'
No explanation for JMc search for 'hos long to die in the cold' at 2:27am.'
'Brian Loughlin seeing no body at all during 3 passes in snowplow'.
'Ford Edge being parked right in front of where John was found'.
'The Alberts not coming out of their home in the morning even with all the commotion outside'.
'MP falsifying the time he seized Karen's vehicle.'
'MP not interviewing Brian Loughlin even though he was told about him plowing that night'.
'The minute pieces of glass on the tailgate not matching the cocktail glass'.
'The magical hair on the car that traveled 75 miles during a blizzard outside'.
'No DNA or blood inside the tail light that supposedly cut into JOKs arm. Just touch DNA on the outside.'
'Proctor seen at the corner of KR's SUV in the sally port, which was then inverted to deceive the jury'.

MOO.

 

[shotgun09]

I also think the Super Duper Secret Double-Triple Agent McSpy....aka Jim McCabe doing the relay on the group chat was epic.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I also think the Super Duper Secret Double-Triple Agent McSpy....aka Jim McCabe doing the relay on the group chat was epic.

An absolute busy-body injecting herself into everyone's business, filling them in on every little detail via their group chat. "She's telling them EVERYTHING".
MOO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There's not going to be news articles about that specific topic, unfortunately. However, multiple family members and friends have confirmed that the McC's and A's were NOT present at his funeral. Sorry it isn't a news story.

Who are these multiple family and friends? Where did they confirm it?

 

[TIGER0822]

But if she rules to dismiss the charges, surely the CW can't appeal because isn't the motion is to dismiss with prejudice and double jeopardy would apply.

Whatever happens I hope to God she's not still the judge for the next trial. She's one of the main reasons for the mistrial IMO.

The Defense are smart. They will appeal to an appalant court, and take this out of the judges claws.

 

[TIGER0822]

In trouble for this. He is in the mix with the group, moronnnnnnnnn. PUBLIC.

He said that ‘Colin was not in the house’.
And he was in the house!
He clearly got the info. from the prosecutors , directly or indirectly MOO

 

[TIGER0822]

Great list of circumstantial evidence of some kind of cover-up.
Here are some more maybe not mentioned:

'MP going to make sure to put serious charges on the girl'.
'3 pieces of plastic turning into 5 pieces on the witness stand'.
'Don't maintain any logs for chain of custody'.
'BH seeing a tall man with dark hair come into the house'.
'JOK took 80 steps and descended or ascended 3 flights of stairs'.
'At 12:32 am, JOKs phone took another 36 steps, and travelled 25 meters, after KR was gone.'
'Karen Read connected to JOKs wifi at 12:36 after a 6 minute drive on a good day, so she was gone by 12:30 at the latest'.
'Ryan and Heather testified independently that Karen was alone in the SUV with John not in the SUV'.
'Ryan testified no damage on the rear light of the SUV when he was parked behind her'.
'Jenn McCabe lied about the time she watched KR's SUV parked outside, from 12:29 right through 12:50 but KR was gone by 12:30'.
'Higgins being insistent that JOK go with him that night, waving him over at the Waterfall, and then calling his phone asking if he was coming'.
'BH goes to the police station after a night of drinking'.
'Chloe vanishes. Never to be seen again'.
'Expert opinions from Dr Russell (1000 animal attacks and wrote a book about dog attacks) and Dr Sheridan (12,000 autopsies) testifying that the arm injuries were likely from a dog attack.'
No explanation for JMc search for 'hos long to die in the cold' at 2:27am.'
'Brian Loughlin seeing no body at all during 3 passes in snowplow'.
'Ford Edge being parked right in front of where John was found'.
'The Alberts not coming out of their home in the morning even with all the commotion outside'.
'MP falsifying the time he seized Karen's vehicle.'
'MP not interviewing Brian Loughlin even though he was told about him plowing that night'.
'The minute pieces of glass on the tailgate not matching the cocktail glass'.
'The magical hair on the car that traveled 75 miles during a blizzard outside'.
'No DNA or blood inside the tail light that supposedly cut into JOKs arm. Just touch DNA on the outside.'
'Proctor seen at the corner of KR's SUV in the sally port, which was then inverted to deceive the jury'.

MOO.

Great, great points. I am going to compile these together!

 

[TIGER0822]

Great, great points. I am going to compile these together!

Brian Higgins thinks he saw a tall dark man. And he hired an Attorney. Don’t understand the reason his attorney was allowed during testimony.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Brian Higgins thinks he saw a tall dark man. And he hired an Attorney. Don’t understand the reason his attorney was allowed during testimony.

He broke the law using FBI equipment for personal reasons by extracting data from his phone in an attempt to avoid handing over everything that was on the phone to investigators. He was allowed to consult with his attorney to try to avoid further incriminating himself on the stand.

I'd love to know more about his proffer to the Feds. But I guess we'll have to wait for the book.

 

[iusedtofloat]

If you have a minute, please look at the difference between the judge overseeing KR's case versus the judge in the Ashley Benefeld case (go to about 29 minutes in on this second link) - these videos are both from approved sources.

The difference in decorum, attitude, professionalism, and respect for others in the court room (defendant included) are astonishing to me. Not to mention, the judge in AB case holding the verdict sheet up and explaining in detail, without so much as a hint of condescension - it was refreshing seeing a judge behave the way they are supposed to in a court room. Ethical, empathetic, patient, and full of integrity.

The verdict sheet is fully explained. There is no back-and-forth taking place, repeated uncomfortable displays of trying to show dominance against the defense team. This judge was an inspiration and he should teach classes on how to be an effective and non-biased judge.

 

[iusedtofloat]

He broke the law using FBI equipment for personal reasons by extracting data from his phone in an attempt to avoid handing over everything that was on the phone to investigators. He was allowed to consult with his attorney to try to avoid further incriminating himself on the stand.

I'd love to know more about his proffer to the Feds. But I guess we'll have to wait for the book.

or the netflix special... ha

 

[TIGER0822]

Great list of circumstantial evidence of some kind of cover-up.
Here are some more maybe not mentioned:

'MP going to make sure to put serious charges on the girl'.
'3 pieces of plastic turning into 5 pieces on the witness stand'.
'Don't maintain any logs for chain of custody'.
'BH seeing a tall man with dark hair come into the house'.
'JOK took 80 steps and descended or ascended 3 flights of stairs'.
'At 12:32 am, JOKs phone took another 36 steps, and travelled 25 meters, after KR was gone.'
'Karen Read connected to JOKs wifi at 12:36 after a 6 minute drive on a good day, so she was gone by 12:30 at the latest'.
'Ryan and Heather testified independently that Karen was alone in the SUV with John not in the SUV'.
'Ryan testified no damage on the rear light of the SUV when he was parked behind her'.
'Jenn McCabe lied about the time she watched KR's SUV parked outside, from 12:29 right through 12:50 but KR was gone by 12:30'.
'Higgins being insistent that JOK go with him that night, waving him over at the Waterfall, and then calling his phone asking if he was coming'.
'BH goes to the police station after a night of drinking'.
'Chloe vanishes. Never to be seen again'.
'Expert opinions from Dr Russell (1000 animal attacks and wrote a book about dog attacks) and Dr Sheridan (12,000 autopsies) testifying that the arm injuries were likely from a dog attack.'
No explanation for JMc search for 'hos long to die in the cold' at 2:27am.'
'Brian Loughlin seeing no body at all during 3 passes in snowplow'.
'Ford Edge being parked right in front of where John was found'.
'The Alberts not coming out of their home in the morning even with all the commotion outside'.
'MP falsifying the time he seized Karen's vehicle.'
'MP not interviewing Brian Loughlin even though he was told about him plowing that night'.
'The minute pieces of glass on the tailgate not matching the cocktail glass'.
'The magical hair on the car that traveled 75 miles during a blizzard outside'.
'No DNA or blood inside the tail light that supposedly cut into JOKs arm. Just touch DNA on the outside.'
'Proctor seen at the corner of KR's SUV in the sally port, which was then inverted to deceive the jury'.

MOO.

This reminds me of misspelling of names and incorrect street numbers.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Brian Higgins thinks he saw a tall dark man. And he hired an Attorney. Don’t understand the reason his attorney was allowed during testimony.

19:00 mark

The interesting thing about BH saying he saw a tall, dark haired man showing up briefly, is that he testified at a proceeding on June 1, 2023, that the tall guy with dark hair came into the house. He said it might have been Julie Nagel's brother, and described it as 'somebody else came' and 'he was having a conversation with the two girls', and 'it was quick'.

But everyone else testified that Julie Nagel's brother, Ryan Nagel, stayed in the truck outside while Julie went outside to talk with him. The other girl didn't go outside.

If the man he saw was Ryan Nagel, BH would have been outside when he saw him to judge his height. But the brother never got out of the truck so how would BH know if he was tall. Looking at Ryan in the courtroom, he didn't seem very tall.

So the question remains, who was Brian Higgins talking about?

If BH was outside when Ryan Nagel was there (smoking perhaps), I believe BH had an altercation with JOK right around the same time as Ryan was leaving and Karen was waiting for JOK to return to the SUV. And he left shortly after without saying goodbye, "an Irish goodbye". BH left in a rush, having only been there 20-30 minutes. And he went straight back to the police station even though he'd been drinking all night. Makes no sense.

MOO.

 

[TIGER0822]

19:00 mark

The interesting thing about BH saying he saw a tall, dark haired man showing up briefly, is that he testified at a proceeding on June 1, 2023, that the tall guy with dark hair came into the house. He said it might have been Julie Nagel's brother, and described it as 'somebody else came' and 'he was having a conversation with the two girls', and 'it was quick'.

But everyone else testified that Julie Nagel's brother, Ryan Nagel, stayed in the truck outside while Julie went outside to talk with him. The other girl didn't go outside.

If the man he saw was Ryan Nagel, BH would have been outside when he saw him to judge his height. But the brother never got out of the truck so how would BH know if he was tall. Looking at Ryan in the courtroom, he didn't seem very tall.

So the question remains, who was Brian Higgins talking about?

If BH was outside when Ryan Nagel was there (smoking perhaps), I believe BH had an altercation with JOK right around the same time as Ryan was leaving and Karen was waiting for JOK to return to the SUV. And he left shortly after without saying goodbye, "an Irish goodbye". He left in a rush, having only been there 20-30 minutes. And he went straight back to the police station even though he'd been drinking all night. Makes no sense.

MOO.

@OldCop considered the possiblity that he went to the Police station to monitor reports. Was there reports of a body found, other reports related to the events, which makes a lot of sense. My instinct is that BH was trying to avoid committing perjury by stating that he saw a tall man show up briefly. MOO