MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #7

[Barney Fike]

When the tow truck driver pulled the Lexus 570LX into the sallyport... why did the CW not get a photo of the busted-up taillight?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

More tomorrow, but it's completely deceptive and I suspect we will begin to hear calls for Lally's disbarment. You cannot use evidence meant to deceive a jury.

A mirror image here causes confusion. We think we're looking at THE taillight side, the passenger side, but the partial taillight we see is the driver's side. The "undamaged" side.

This is very important because at various times we can see Michael Proctor alone on what we think is the unrelated side, but in reality he is seen alone for multiple short periods alone with the actual damaged taillight.

Not only did the mirror image cause confusion, but Lally directly has the witness use a laser pointer to say which side of the car is which. The video shows Bukhenik get out of what we thought was the passenger side. It’s actually the driver side. But I thought only the tow truck driver was interacting with the vehicle because per Bukhenik, they hadn’t secured a warrant yet.

 

[TTF14]

Her attorneys are gonna have their work cut out for them - Keeping her off the stand isn’t gonna be easy. IMO
SHES A NARCISSIST and this is the Karen Read Show. IMO

I'm not a mental health professional and I have never met Karen Read, so I have no idea if she's received a diagnosis of narcissism (a word thrown about way too much, IMO), but what makes you think she's eager to get on the stand? I think she's highly intelligent and knows that it won't be necessary at all. IMO, MOO

? We saw the ring video from JOK’s house
With KR backing into John’s car. The wheel actually moves on his car. This was last week in court iirc. Jmo

Yes, but I'm talking about when her SUV was in front of the Albert home. Nobody has testified they saw her going in reverse at all. Just inching forward, IIRC.

JMO MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

When the tow truck driver pulled the Lexus 570LX into the sallyport... why did the CW not get a photo of the busted-up taillight?

Or before they got the vehicle on the tow truck? What if there had been an accident on the way to Canton in a blizzard.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I'm no empath, but did anyone else think Judge Bev looked a little shaken, almost distraught after sidebar before she went to shut down things for the day on Thursday?

 

[TTF14]

Not only did the mirror image cause confusion, but Lally directly has the witness use a laser pointer to say which side of the car is which. The video shows Bukhenik get out of what we thought was the passenger side. It’s actually the driver side. But I thought only the tow truck driver was interacting with the vehicle because per Bukhenik, they hadn’t secured a warrant yet.

I wish AJ would have asked Bukhenik to user the laser pointer to point out the driver/passenger sides of the vehicle. That would have been epic!

JMO IMO

 

[Universecalling]

Jen McCabe and her family are arrogant and LIARS. Same with the Alberts.
Colin and Allie are the way they are because they’re raised to think the law doesn’t apply to them.

 

[Barney Fike]

Or before they got the vehicle on the tow truck? What if there had been an accident on the way to Canton in a blizzard.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I'm no empath, but did anyone else think Judge Bev looked a little shaken, almost distraught after sidebar before she went to shut down things for the day on Thursday?

Oh i agree.....Photo should have been taken before tow truck driver loaded it...Who drove the tow truck...Proctor Trooper?

 

[Universecalling]

Or before they got the vehicle on the tow truck? What if there had been an accident on the way to Canton in a blizzard.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I'm no empath, but did anyone else think Judge Bev looked a little shaken, almost distraught after sidebar before she went to shut down things for the day on Thursday?

I would like to point out trooper B testified to Proctor staying outside (by the car) the Read residence.
Before tow got there.
Also, Canton PD is 1.2 miles away from 34F.
Tow truck driver is on the defense witness list. SO IS JOHN’s OWN FATHER.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Really think we need to wait and see how this plays out in the rest of the trial before making conclusions.
I just believe if anything happened in the house they would have made sure John was dead before putting him outside. They wouldn’t have taken a chance on him being found and surviving. Plus never would they put him in the front yard, that’s just laughable to me.

I was thinking about this earlier too and think that if something detrimental or fatal did happen to JOK they probably preferred to stage a crime scene that did not point to them or their home? For example, by placing JOK alive and outside they could have staged the scene to look like he got hit by a snow plow or a random car that didn’t see him and died as of his results of both his injuries and the cold. If he is still alive with his heart beating and body breathing there is higher chance that he will continue produce blood and vomit which will be found at the scene further giving it credibility.

Lucky the plow driver has mentioned that he didn’t see a body the first time he came by Fairview at 2:30 so in this scenario I am guessing they are still getting everything, including were going to wait until he passed the first time, buy themselves a hour (which Google first results often claim is usually average time someone takes to die from hypothermia) and then sadly and cruelly lay JOK out there on the lawn in the snow. Ultimately they sentenced JOK to death but in such a scenario I imagine they panicked, sadly determined he could not be saved or were desperate to protect themselves or somebody they loved from the ramifications (if his injuries are the result of an assault both the homeowners and those involved could be held liable and face manslaughter or even first or second degree murder charges). I’m not saying in this scenario they made this decision lightly but they probably hoped blame to stage the scene perfect enough to blame it on unfortunate accident committed by the plow driver or speeding driver without anyone getting in trouble. By the next morning they will play their part with shock and horror when they “discover” JOK dead on the lawn and by next month it would all be over.

I do wonder why put him at the far corner of the lawn but it is possible if asked they could lie and say he told him that was where KR would pick him up since that is the last place she parked before (info most likely courtesy of Jen McC since she was the one waiting for them come in earlier) and it is enough distance away from their windows or house that they could claim they didn’t hear a thing when JOK was hit by a the snow plow. It probably did not occur to them just how careful and competent Lucky was at his job and God forbid he found JOK while he was still alive and compromise everything they already unhappily and forcefully put together. I don’t think the whole conspiracy has to involve every branch of LE or participant in JOK’s discovery, treatment, death and subsequent investigation. It just has to involve a family. One willing to protect each other or someone in particular and had connections, including MP whose sister is good friends with JA and is the lead investigator, and BH who was also part of the investigation. It doesn’t hurt either that Alberts are a family of cops which seems to instill a greater sense of loyalty and desire to protect them based on earlier comments.

I think everybody else, the investigators, forensic experts and first responders, performed duties with no thought or goal of framing KR or that it was happening, though I did get the impression it seems some of them sensed something was off or wrong since overall they were performing their duties subpar since MP, the boss, didn’t standardize his work and thus evidence was stored, handled and examined properly or timely.

Unfortunately for them it wasn’t Lucky who derailed their scheme it was KR , loud and in a panic and with JMcC and KReed. She couldn’t be trusted to go along with their scheme to protect the persons involved but fortunately with her broken taillight, shoddy memory and incoherent panic discourse she was a suitable for another role, the scapegoat.

Just MOO of a theory of the motive for scheming or supposed espionage or framing taking place

 

[pavlovsdaughter]

FACT - People drink too much and bad things happen when they get behind the wheel

Also a fact - many men die of misadventure when alcohol and bad weather are involved.

Obviously his injuries were caused by SOMETHING - but I think it could be just as likely he got out of the car, slipped on ice, and hit his head, then was hit by a plow or one of the other dozen drunk drivers apparently cruising around Canton that night.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I wish AJ would have asked Bukhenik to user the laser pointer to point out the driver/passenger sides of the vehicle. That would have been epic!

JMO IMO

It would have been great. Bukhenik testified they never touched the rear of her vehicle. That testimony held a lot more merit when I thought the video showed them standing on the driver side of the car. JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

I do wonder why put him at the far corner of the lawn but it is possible if asked they could lie and say he told him that was where KR would pick him up since that is the last place she parked before (info most likely courtesy of Jen McC since she was the one waiting for them come in earlier) and it is enough distance away from their windows or house that they could claim they didn’t hear a thing when JOK was hit by a the snow plow

Also, it is the darkest portion of the lawn. But maybe most importantly, it's almost a straight shot out of the gate from the backyard (and the bulkhead). Position Tristan's SUV right in front of the area and Brian Albert and Tristan can better try to block any view from the street as they carry out the body.

I see no other explanation for Lucky not seeing a body at 2:30 but seeing an illegally parked SUV less than an hour later. No vehicles are allowed on the street in the winter after 1 am, so it makes total sense Lucky remembered this.

 

[pavlovsdaughter]

When the tow truck driver pulled the Lexus 570LX into the sallyport... why did the CW not get a photo of the busted-up taillight?

It’s crazy that this whole case basically hinges on the taillight and there is not a single clear, lit, in focus, head on photo of it (as far as we’ve seen). CPD could’ve saved themselves a big headache had they just done that!

 

[HarmonyE.]

It’s crazy that this whole case basically hinges on the taillight and there is not a single clear, lit, in focus, head on photo of it (as far as we’ve seen). CPD could’ve saved themselves a big headache had they just done that!

State police. Canton was conflicted off the case before Karen's taillight was an issue.

It's confusing because her car was towed to Canton when it should have been brought to the state barracks in Middleboro (which is also much closer to Dighton, where the car was) but I'm going to guess there is a reason why that would make evidence gathering and planting more difficult for Proctor.

 

[geevee]

Or before they got the vehicle on the tow truck? What if there had been an accident on the way to Canton in a blizzard.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I'm no empath, but did anyone else think Judge Bev looked a little shaken, almost distraught after sidebar before she went to shut down things for the day on Thursday?

Yes, I noticed that also, and was afraid the defense was going to ask for a mistrial due to the CW presenting an inverted video of the Lexus when it was brought into the sallyport to the jury. No matter how they spin it, that was not an accurate depiction of the scene as it occurred.

By the way, can someone refresh my memory, was KerryR at the Albert's that night? And if not, was there testimony as to why she was called that early morning to go look for John (and who called her)?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Or before they got the vehicle on the tow truck? What if there had been an accident on the way to Canton in a blizzard.

Tomorrow is going to be very interesting. I'm no empath, but did anyone else think Judge Bev looked a little shaken, almost distraught after sidebar before she went to shut down things for the day on Thursday?

So what is on the defense USB drive? Wasn’t that the last (or one of the last) issue discussed IIRC? MOO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Yes, I noticed that also, and was afraid the defense was going to ask for a mistrial due to the CW presenting an inverted video of the Lexus when it was brought into the sallyport to the jury. No matter how they spin it, that was not an accurate depiction of the scene as it occurred.

By the way, can someone refresh my memory, was KerryR at the Albert's that night? And if not, was there testimony as to why she was called that early morning to go look for John (and who called her)?

Kerry Roberts was a friend of John's. I think Karen called her to see if she'd heard from John that night. She signed up for the search, I guess.

The defense isn't done with Buk yet, and they're not done with the video issue. Love to know what is on that thumb drive Alan Jackson tried to produce that Lally claimed not to know about. Either way, I would expect a filing for a mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct. Over to you, Bev.

 

[TTF14]

Kerry Roberts was a friend of John's. I think Karen called her to see if she'd heard from John that night. She signed up for the search, I guess.

The defense isn't done with Buk yet, and they're not done with the video issue. Love to know what is on that thumb drive Alan Jackson tried to produce that Lally claimed not to know about. Either way, I would expect a filing for a mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct. Over to you, Bev.

I would love to be a fly on many, many walls this weekend!

 

[Aquarian]

Proctor is under internal investigation for the handling of this case,
-The appalling handling of evidence,
-the doctored video ,
-the FBI stating that the injuries are inconsistent with being hit by a car, and the car damage is inconsistent with hitting a person (except to see this is closing arguments),
-the bizzare death certificate telling us what he did NOT die of... what the heck?????? He did not drown, he did not get shot, he was not in a plane crash, he did not have a heart attack, he did not die of complications of another condition, A death cert. simply states what he died of (in this case undetermined) never of what he did NOT die of. Very questionable.
-the suspiciously timed destruction of phones as he was 'cutting through the base', cutting through a military base?? the military member submits your visit for approval, once approved your name is put on the list, the gate guards check your id and that your name matches the list, a military base is a secure zone there is no way to cut through it'
The suspicious effort to extract very little info instead of handing over the phone.
It is only fair to question Proctors investigation.
MOO

Re death cert.
Does it list what wasn’t the cause of death on it or was the ME quoted as saying I don’t believe it was
XYZ?

 

[geevee]

Kerry Roberts was a friend of John's. I think Karen called her to see if she'd heard from John that night. She signed up for the search, I guess.

The defense isn't done with Buk yet, and they're not done with the video issue. Love to know what is on that thumb drive Alan Jackson tried to produce that Lally claimed not to know about. Either way, I would expect a filing for a mistrial due to prosecutorial misconduct. Over to you, Bev.

Okay, thanks, I was sure it must have been mentioned when she testified but I couldn't recall why she was with them.

Tomorrow morning is going to be something!