MA - Sara, 38, Madison, 8, James, 6, Michael Bermudez, 2, slain, W Brookfield, Mar'18 *Arrest*

[The Farm]

A vendetta can be acted out by anybody and does not mean it was gang related.
I am also a MA. resident and the rural areas are not where you see gangs so to speak. But if someone moves in that has ties to a gang then yes I can see it bringing them in for something like this so we can only speculate at this point.
What we do know for sure as of right now is SOMEONE murdered a mother and little children.
Also what you see on social medial such as Facebook is not always true. Many put a fantasy life on pages that they wished they lived and want to portray a different lifestyle than what they actually live.
We really do not know what they were involved in.

 

[Presley78]

http://www.wcvb.com/article/mom-three-children-dead-in-massachusetts-home-identified/19068977

From the above article:
“5 Investigates, citing sources close to the investigation, said some of the victims were stabbed and some burned. Authorities said they are looking for a yellow gas can that was taken from the home.”

Some were stabbed....hmmmm I know that there is speculation that it could be gang related, but wouldn’t they be shot instead of stabbed? I’m by no means an expert in gang mentality, but I’ve watched my fair share of documentaries on them and they seem to use guns majority of the time.
Not saying it’s not possible. Also IMO if they were stabbed than it seems like the perpetrator(s) were known to the family. IMO because stabbing is considered a more intimate method of murder.


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[Mjr23]

Sorry for getting off subject about the yellow gas can but its possible that whoever did this horrific crime was very smart and wore gloves so no trace of fingerprints would be found but lets hope thats not the case. If a forensic DNA testing was done for any bodily fluids on any of them and a rape swab on the mother then that would possibly determine who the monster is. Just an opinion

 

[Elley Mae]

Burned? Tortured?

I wonder if the kids were B/T to get information/something from Sara that she didn’t/couldn’t give them.?

One law enforcement official briefed on the case, however, had told the Globe the victims had suffered from “burn-type” injuries.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ee-slayings/k8DPCAAQKRX7BQtj3OFKZJ/story.html

The Globe reports the bodies showed signs of burns and several fires had been set in the home, but they had burned out on their own.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/03/06/west-brookfield-quadruple-homicide

ABC affiliate WCVB, citing sources, reported that some victims were stabbed and some were burned.

http://www.kkiq.com/syndicated-article/?id=605881


The victims had stab wounds and burns, according to sources close to the investigation. Officials also detailed that there were numerous fires set inside the home, but those had run their course.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5458639/Prosecutor-Woman-3-children-homicide-victims.html

 

[Elley Mae]

Sorry for getting off subject about the yellow gas can but its possible that whoever did this horrific crime was very smart and wore gloves so no trace of fingerprints would be found but lets hope thats not the case. If a forensic DNA testing was done for any bodily fluids on any of them and a rape swab on the mother then that would possibly determine who the monster is. Just an opinion

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[DexterMorgan]

Burned? Tortured?

I wonder if the kids were B/T to get information/something from Sara that she didn’t/couldn’t give them.?

One law enforcement official briefed on the case, however, had told the Globe the victims had suffered from “burn-type” injuries.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ee-slayings/k8DPCAAQKRX7BQtj3OFKZJ/story.html

The Globe reports the bodies showed signs of burns and several fires had been set in the home, but they had burned out on their own.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/03/06/west-brookfield-quadruple-homicide

ABC affiliate WCVB, citing sources, reported that some victims were stabbed and some were burned.

http://www.kkiq.com/syndicated-article/?id=605881


The victims had stab wounds and burns, according to sources close to the investigation. Officials also detailed that there were numerous fires set inside the home, but those had run their course.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5458639/Prosecutor-Woman-3-children-homicide-victims.html

Thats exactly what happened to the Savopolis family in their DC Mansion.

But the former employee did it to get $40k and rolexes and stuff.

So maybe the killers did this for a hidden stash of drugs or something like pills or whatever. Idk

 

[MassGuy]

Burned? Tortured?

I wonder if the kids were B/T to get information/something from Sara that she didn’t/couldn’t give them.?

One law enforcement official briefed on the case, however, had told the Globe the victims had suffered from “burn-type” injuries.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ee-slayings/k8DPCAAQKRX7BQtj3OFKZJ/story.html

The Globe reports the bodies showed signs of burns and several fires had been set in the home, but they had burned out on their own.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2018/03/06/west-brookfield-quadruple-homicide

ABC affiliate WCVB, citing sources, reported that some victims were stabbed and some were burned.

http://www.kkiq.com/syndicated-article/?id=605881


The victims had stab wounds and burns, according to sources close to the investigation. Officials also detailed that there were numerous fires set inside the home, but those had run their course.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5458639/Prosecutor-Woman-3-children-homicide-victims.html

There is nothing to support that the burning was conducted before death, as a form of torture. It is far more likely that it was done to destroy evidence, and possibly in an effort to burn the house down.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

There is nothing to support that the burning was conducted before death, as a form of torture. It is far more likely that it was done to destroy evidence, and possibly in an effort to burn the house down.

yes, but that is not as salacious :eye roll:

Welcome MassGuy. I appreciate your posts and insight. Thank you.

 

[Mistree]

http://www.wcvb.com/article/mom-three-children-dead-in-massachusetts-home-identified/19068977

From the above article:
“5 Investigates, citing sources close to the investigation, said some of the victims were stabbed and some burned. Authorities said they are looking for a yellow gas can that was taken from the home.”

Some were stabbed....hmmmm I know that there is speculation that it could be gang related, but wouldn’t they be shot instead of stabbed? I’m by no means an expert in gang mentality, but I’ve watched my fair share of documentaries on them and they seem to use guns majority of the time.
Not saying it’s not possible. Also IMO if they were stabbed than it seems like the perpetrator(s) were known to the family. IMO because stabbing is considered a more intimate method of murder.


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My thoughts only, but perhaps the individual did not have access to a gun, (legally).
IMO, I'm getting the vibe this is a female perp.

 

[Presley78]

My thoughts only, but perhaps the individual did not have access to a gun, (legally).
IMO, I'm getting the vibe this is a female perp.

Interesting theory, and I certainly think it’s possible. Whom ever did this, I feel, personally knew the family. I’m not convinced a stranger did it. Not yet at least.
The most adorable and sweet, innocent children were murdered in cold blood. But in my opinion someone who is sick in the head and has something to personally gain from it would be capable. I don’t see a total stranger stabbing a child, however the article did say some were stabbed, so maybe they suffocated the children? Ugh, sick I can’t even imagine, so terrible.
Suffocating is also a very intimate method of murder. Just saying that the person(s) had to do the murders with their bare hands. Horrific


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[The Farm]

There is nothing to support that the burning was conducted before death, as a form of torture. It is far more likely that it was done to destroy evidence, and possibly in an effort to burn the house down.

Exactly what I am thinking and until more information comes out we are only surmising.

 

[MsGazette]

Correct me if I am wrong, but, I believe the husband was in California at the time of the murders. That leaves him out.
The only way the Father could be involved is if he hired someone, which using your scenario of them being both employed, in a small town with no criminal history, doesn't add up..
MS 13 originated in California, and their signature is to murder family members. They are huge in LA, and San Fran. both.
What are your thoughts as to what happened?
There has to be a motive.
Robbery? If this is true, I would think that LE would be asking people to be looking for more than just a yellow fuel can.
I doubt it was the neighborhood kids looking for a prank.
Do you think perhaps with MS 13 being so heavily involved with human smuggling, that maybe a family member could have been smuggled, and they didn't keep paying?
Could it be that their business was being extorted,(another MS 13 trait) and they weren't paying the piper?
Could it be that the real reason they moved from California was because they were running from something/someone?

They are prevalent in Boston so it isn’t that far fetched. We had a whole family murdered in our state (RI) in the 90s and it was a vendetta (not gang-related). They spared the father -the one that they were trying to hurt. We don’t have things like that happen here, so it goes to show it can really happen anywhere. Gang members can fly, drive, take a train? Where there is a will, there is a way. Especially since the family members on Facebook are from El Salvador and this family is from LA. Someone posted that a couple of days ago. There is just something about how they were lined up together to be found, brutally assaulted. I’m hoping the gang theory is wrong...they are known historically as the worst there is - no mercy. Scary stuff!



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[SuziQ]

It's been reported that some were stabbed and some burned. So what is the cause of death? If we presume stabbing for some, we're the others burned to death, or? Good lord, someone was really angry.

 

[fred&edna]

There is nothing to support that the burning was conducted before death, as a form of torture. It is far more likely that it was done to destroy evidence, and possibly in an effort to burn the house down.

Maybe the killer/s didn't realize that diesel fuel isn't flammable... it's entirely possible they assumed (like me) that diesel would react like gasoline when lit.

ETA: Or maybe everyone knows diesel isn't flammable ?

 

[debirlfan]

Some were stabbed....hmmmm I know that there is speculation that it could be gang related, but wouldn’t they be shot instead of stabbed? I’m by no means an expert in gang mentality, but I’ve watched my fair share of documentaries on them and they seem to use guns majority of the time.
Not saying it’s not possible. Also IMO if they were stabbed than it seems like the perpetrator(s) were known to the family. IMO because stabbing is considered a more intimate method of murder.

It might be as simple as sound from gunshots would carry, and especially in the middle of the night, multiple gunshots might be heard and reported. For that matter, whichever family member you shot first, you'd wake the others. Assuming a single gunman, even if you killed the mother first, there'd be a chance of the kids running outside and getting away or getting help. A skilled (or lucky) person with a knife could kill silently if the victim was sleeping.

 

[DatelineFan]

Maybe the killer/s didn't realize that diesel fuel isn't flammable... it's entirely possible they assumed (like me) that diesel would react like gasoline when lit.

ETA: Or maybe everyone knows diesel isn't flammable ?

*blushes* I learned something new today.

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[BrownRice]

It might be as simple as sound from gunshots would carry, and especially in the middle of the night, multiple gunshots might be heard and reported. For that matter, whichever family member you shot first, you'd wake the others. Assuming a single gunman, even if you killed the mother first, there'd be a chance of the kids running outside and getting away or getting help. A skilled (or lucky) person with a knife could kill silently if the victim was sleeping.

Ya guns are loud but kids often are very sound sleepers. I’d assume it would take longer to stab 4 people and there’d be lots of screaming. Unless the killer was so precise that he was able to do it quickly.


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[BrownRice]

Maybe the killer/s didn't realize that diesel fuel isn't flammable... it's entirely possible they assumed (like me) that diesel would react like gasoline when lit.

ETA: Or maybe everyone knows diesel isn't flammable ?

I had no idea either. You’re not alone.


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[BrownRice]

Anyone remember the guy in Ohio who I believe stabbed his wife and two little boys. Chris Coleman I think? Was having an affair.....


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[Hap]

offshore worker.... connected to mafia? I'm trying to think of anything to rule out the person who comes to mind as the biggest suspect. Perhaps someone with a connection to that person through his work? A horrific death and why kill those babies.