Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[Texana]

Good cops also quit when they are frustrated by foreign countries' heads of states interfering.

It's just as likely that many good cops were frustrated and fed up with being told what to say and what to do by the British government and at the same time, being denigrated publicly by the McCanns, their family, and Clarence Mitchell.

 

[april4sky]

I have to say at the time of the "disappearance" that I was one of the McCanns biggest supporters. However after a few months I realised there stories kept changing. And the thing is if your telling the truth why does your story have to change?

Regarding the comments from April about Kate never claimed she had been near 6 corpses or took Cuddle cat to work with her - funny thing about that..it was Clarence Mitchell who made those claims on tv and he is supposedly there mouth piece...well maybe it would be a idea to wonder whose actually lieing?

Its also funny..Amaral is a liar..Morais is hate filled..and everyone is a liar or trying to cover themselves - EXCEPT the parents and friends who couldnt keep there story straight.

As for the McCanns being the only one to search - personally i see them as trying to obstruct the case MOO

Hi Isabella,
Can you post confirmation regarding your claims about Clarence Mitchell?

Also if you would the contradictions by the McCanns - or their friends....Actual quotes from them!

Beware of "quotes" attributed to them in the press by a source/insider/family member or any other unamed source.

Thanks in advance.

 

[scandi]

That is pretty much the same feeling we had after Hurricane Ike; realizing the people who didn't leave in time, had no chance. As you said, a horrific way to go.

I'm having a glass of Australian wine right now. So see, we do agree on a few things.

Mmmmmm You should try that with a slice or two of Australian white cheddar. I bought some at Costco, and it is the very BEST cheese I have ever eaten. I swear ;}

Sorry for the O/T but couldn't help it.

 

[scandi]

I have to say at the time of the "disappearance" that I was one of the McCanns biggest supporters. However after a few months I realised there stories kept changing. And the thing is if your telling the truth why does your story have to change?

Regarding the comments from April about Kate never claimed she had been near 6 corpses or took Cuddle cat to work with her - funny thing about that..it was Clarence Mitchell who made those claims on tv and he is supposedly there mouth piece...well maybe it would be a idea to wonder whose actually lieing?

Its also funny..Amaral is a liar..Morais is hate filled..and everyone is a liar or trying to cover themselves - EXCEPT the parents and friends who couldnt keep there story straight.

As for the McCanns being the only one to search - personally i see them as trying to obstruct the case MOO

Hi Isabella, Thanks for your post.

About that searching by the McCann's. I have read so many posters say if this happened to them and their child disappeared, nothing could keep them from searching. They would be bound by instinct to do it.

Odd isn't it. NONE of the friends really searched except 'limply' on the night of May 3rd and morning of May 4th. They all pretty much were sequestered in their apartments.

When the GNR entered the apt both parents were on the phone, either to relatives back home or to SKY News. These parents called the media before the police were even called, FACT, and when asked by a neighbor if she should call the police, Kate said no, we did that. That was a big lie as it was asked of Kate before the first call to the GNR which was made at 10:40. Simply Amazing.

Then after falling on his knees in front of the police, demanding the address to the church, Gerry hit a bar uptown, walked in around 11:15pm and asked for the manager, telling him a little girl had been abducted. He was there for over 1/2 hour FACT as I have corresponded with Onda, a gal who lives in PDL and was in that bar when Gerry walked in the door, overheard him talking and was still there when he left.

Then Gerry and David Payne were seen around 4:30 by the Church of the Light. And at round 5:30 to 6am Gerry and Kate were out walking around the outskirts of town hollering Madeleine's name.

The next day I believe Gerry was out in the brush with the searchers.


That was the extent of either of them physically looking for their little girlie. It is said that is all the lookin' Kate did to find her. And also the extent of Gerry's searching. The PACT was in effect within hours, and everything else done was delegated on their part. And by the 11th of May {within a day or so}, the McCann's were set up and operational with their Team and the Fund - and the $$$'s were rolling in.


IMO there was no reason for them to search as they knew exactly where she had been put. I think Gerry and David were scoping out where her body was tucked close to the church around 4:30am. And I think their first plan could have been the hope her body would be discovered and they would have a line all ready to go, that the abductor had killed her and left her body behind.

When she wasn't discovered by the next day or so a new plan was effected, and her body was placed in a fridge or chest freezer they had located, and . . . . . . .

Sorry I get very passionate at the thought someone could have their child disappear and then at a later date say when asked if they had anything to do with her death, "Find the body and prove it!" {or something very close to that}. I mean, that says everything in a nutshell to me about these parents. Snarky IMO

xox

 

[april4sky]

When the GNR entered the apt both parents were on the phone, either to relatives back home or to SKY News. These parents called the media before the police were even called, FACT, and when asked by a neighbor if she should call the police, Kate said no, we did that. That was a big lie as it was asked of Kate before the first call to the GNR which was made at 10:40. Simply Amazing.

Scandi....Here are the "facts" as confirmed in the Final report.

From the Final report thread
Posted by colomom - Post 8 Page 13 and 14

According to that police force, the disappearance would have occurred at 22H40 (later on it was verified that the detection and the subsequent alarm of the same, in reality happened, between 22H00 and 22H10 of the day 3 of May of 2007, in one of the apartments of the tourist resort ‘Ocean Club’, located at Vila da Luz, Lagos, where a family composed by a couple and 3 children under aged were staying.
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Posted by me General Discussion 24 Post 400
First phone call to the police....

http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:hFcq5_vqAIoJ:www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/11/madeleinemccann+local+police+arrive+before+detecti ve%27s+madeleine&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=au

10.15pm: Oldfield goes down to the 24-hour reception at the bottom of the hill to raise the alarm. Police are called.
10.30pm: Local police are first to arrive on the scene.
11.10pm: Detectives from the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) arrive having been contacted by police constables.
The Detectives from the Policia Judiciaria are the ones who didn’t arrive until 11.10pm.

And all this fits in with Mrs Fenn who after the first call offered to phone the police and was told they had already been called.
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And from my post... General Discussion thread 24 Post No. 230

The first call the McCann made was to the police!! Confirmed by Portuguese prosecutors!!

http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/google.pl?id=971-2

"Prosecutors also confirm that the first call made by the couple after their daughter went missing was to the police, and not to a British television station as had been widely claimed in some sections of the Portuguese media quoting police sources."

Contacting the Media…Posted by colomom - From the Final report thread Websleuths post No 9.
Quote:
“It should be pointed out, in terms of the media knowledge and divulgation, that witness RACHEL MAMPILLY, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of the 4th, assumes to have contacted the official British television BBC, through someone that she knew, reporting the disappearance and asking for it to be broadcast.”

 

[Isabella]

Hi Isabella, Thanks for your post.

About that searching by the McCann's. I have read so many posters say if this happened to them and their child disappeared, nothing could keep them from searching. They would be bound by instinct to do it.

Odd isn't it. NONE of the friends really searched except 'limply' on the night of May 3rd and morning of May 4th. They all pretty much were sequestered in their apartments.

When the GNR entered the apt both parents were on the phone, either to relatives back home or to SKY News. These parents called the media before the police were even called, FACT, and when asked by a neighbor if she should call the police, Kate said no, we did that. That was a big lie as it was asked of Kate before the first call to the GNR which was made at 10:40. Simply Amazing.

Then after falling on his knees in front of the police, demanding the address to the church, Gerry hit a bar uptown, walked in around 11:15pm and asked for the manager, telling him a little girl had been abducted. He was there for over 1/2 hour FACT as I have corresponded with Onda, a gal who lives in PDL and was in that bar when Gerry walked in the door, overheard him talking and was still there when he left.

Then Gerry and David Payne were seen around 4:30 by the Church of the Light. And at round 5:30 to 6am Gerry and Kate were out walking around the outskirts of town hollering Madeleine's name.

The next day I believe Gerry was out in the brush with the searchers.


That was the extent of either of them physically looking for their little girlie. It is said that is all the lookin' Kate did to find her. And also the extent of Gerry's searching. The PACT was in effect within hours, and everything else done was delegated on their part. And by the 11th of May {within a day or so}, the McCann's were set up and operational with their Team and the Fund - and the $$$'s were rolling in.


IMO there was no reason for them to search as they knew exactly where she had been put. I think Gerry and David were scoping out where her body was tucked close to the church around 4:30am. And I think their first plan could have been the hope her body would be discovered and they would have a line all ready to go, that the abductor had killed her and left her body behind.

When she wasn't discovered by the next day or so a new plan was effected, and her body was placed in a fridge or chest freezer they had located, and . . . . . . .

Sorry I get very passionate at the thought someone could have their child disappear and then at a later date say when asked if they had anything to do with her death, "Find the body and prove it!" {or something very close to that}. I mean, that says everything in a nutshell to me about these parents. Snarky IMO

xox

Hi

Kate herself said on a British tv programme that she hadnt searched for Madeleine at all. She then blamed fellow holiday makers who was on at holiday at the time for not doing more to search for her daughter.

 

[Isabella]

Good cops also quit when they are frustrated by foreign countries' heads of states interfering.

It's just as likely that many good cops were frustrated and fed up with being told what to say and what to do by the British government and at the same time, being denigrated publicly by the McCanns, their family, and Clarence Mitchell.

Our papers were also slamming the Portugese police especially Amaral. They would print pictures of him in just a shirt with it open saying all he did was drink and that he was supposedly in big in charge of this investigation and yet he was having 3 or 4 hour lunches in the pub talking about a case that was supposed to be secret.

 

[Bewick Lady]

Hi

Kate herself said on a British tv programme that she hadnt searched for Madeleine at all. She then blamed fellow holiday makers who was on at holiday at the time for not doing more to search for her daughter.

Hiya All

Its been a while since I've posted, but Iv'e been dealing with one problem after another of late. I've nipped on here to see what is what still.

I agree with Isabella, I also remember a programme that was broadcast here and Kate certainly did say that she never searched at all. If I remember correctly I also re-call Kate saying that the holidaymakers did little or nothing towards the search for Maddie. I shall have a look and see if I can come up with some links.

Anyway hope that you are all ok?

 

[Isabella]

Hiya All

Its been a while since I've posted, but Iv'e been dealing with one problem after another of late. I've nipped on here to see what is what still.

I agree with Isabella, I also remember a programme that was broadcast here and Kate certainly did say that she never searched at all. If I remember correctly I also re-call Kate saying that the holidaymakers did little or nothing towards the search for Maddie. I shall have a look and see if I can come up with some links.

Anyway hope that you are all ok?

Yea thats the programme I mean. I think it was either Panorama or something to do with Jon Corner.

I think she had a cheek to say that. In the days following the "disappearance" there was photos of Gerry playing tennis and barmen said that he repeatedly went in the bar for drinks to take back to the apartments. You would think a concerned father would be out looking for his missing child - but no. Funnily enough I did see lots of pictures of holiday makers searching for her daughter ..maybe Kate missed them as she was spending time around the pool or something. Weird couple.

I do think that Kate is mentally unstable or at least she gives a good impression of being that way. I also think she could not cope with Madeleine. While I doubt that the McCanns will ever be charged with Madeleines "disappearance" at least in the eyes of the majority of the British people the parents know what happened and thats something the McCanns cant escape from.

 

[Texana]

Mmmmmm You should try that with a slice or two of Australian white cheddar. I bought some at Costco, and it is the very BEST cheese I have ever eaten. I swear ;}

Sorry for the O/T but couldn't help it.

Ha, you must have sensed that the oldest little Texana (not so little anymore) is a white cheddar fan cheesehead. I buy two blocks of it a week, minimum. We don't have a Costco, but I will have to check out Sam's.

As for contradictions by the McCanns-- one is the statement that they would not leave Portugal without Madeleine. When they were named arguido, they left immediately.

The biggest contradiction of course, was the statement from Gerry that dining at the Tapas restaurant was like dining "in your own garden." Looking at the actual distance and time to walk back to the apartment, it was much more than two or even five minutes from a backyard into a home. It was more like a block. Dining in one's "garden" implies that you can easily hear or see any kind of problem in the house where the children are supposedly sleeping.

And the distance from the Tapas bar and the McCanns' apartment precluded them seeing or hearing anything that happened that night.

You can argue attitude, you can argue comments, but you can't argue around the fact of the actual distance and Gerry's statement.

 

[Isabella]

Ha, you must have sensed that the oldest little Texana (not so little anymore) is a white cheddar fan cheesehead. I buy two blocks of it a week, minimum. We don't have a Costco, but I will have to check out Sam's.

As for contradictions by the McCanns-- one is the statement that they would not leave Portugal without Madeleine. When they were named arguido, they left immediately.

The biggest contradiction of course, was the statement from Gerry that dining at the Tapas restaurant was like dining "in your own garden." Looking at the actual distance and time to walk back to the apartment, it was much more than two or even five minutes from a backyard into a home. It was more like a block. Dining in one's "garden" implies that you can easily hear or see any kind of problem in the house where the children are supposedly sleeping.

And the distance from the Tapas bar and the McCanns' apartment precluded them seeing or hearing anything that happened that night.

You can argue attitude, you can argue comments, but you can't argue around the fact of the actual distance and Gerry's statement.

Tex did you see how dark it was there? It was pitch black around the apartments and NO WAY could you see that apartment even 50 yards away. There was a programme on our tv last year with EX Scotland yard cops...and they showed outside there at night and it totally shocked me how anyone let alone doctors could leave there children alone in such a dark area as that - especially one prone to sleep walking.

Incidentally the Ex Scotland yard cops said she wasnt kidnapped and that it couldnt have happened as the McCanns claimed.

 

[Texana]

Tex did you see how dark it was there? It was pitch black around the apartments and NO WAY could you see that apartment even 50 yards away. There was a programme on our tv last year with EX Scotland yard cops...and they showed outside there at night and it totally shocked me how anyone let alone doctors could leave there children alone in such a dark area as that - especially one prone to sleep walking.

Incidentally the Ex Scotland yard cops said she wasnt kidnapped and that it couldnt have happened as the McCanns claimed.

Exactly.

I've always thought that there are two likely explanations: One, Madeleine fell and hit her head the night before with a fatal injury (when the children were also left alone.) Two, the parent-doctors were so comfortable leaving their children alone because they knew they wouldn't wake up--they had given what they thought were "safe" doses of a mild sedative. Then Madeleine had a fatal reaction or some kind of unforeseen complication.

It makes sense because the McCanns are so adamant about not feeling guilty, being "responsible" parents--Kate said that knowing that she was a "responsible parent" was what got her through those early days.

They feel that if they couldn't foresee the reaction or accident as "doctors" then it was truly an accident, and therefore, they are truly innocent.

It explains both their attitude and the cadaver dog alerts and their actions that night.

 

[mysterymax]

And why didn't she fight back? Was she perhaps drugged? Why would an "intruder" risk being taken by surprise by one or both parents? Were either of the twins questioned or were they too young to ask? (Some kids are eloquent by the age of two.) The probability that the Drs. Mccann killed their oldest child is FAR GREATER (statistically speaking) than the presence of a mysterious intruder...and who are "they" as in "They've taken her!" One would expect a distraught mother to scream, "Oh my God she's gone! Has anyone seen her? Help! Help!" in a rush of panic. If it were assumed that she had been sonambulating, why wouldn't the mother rush around the immediate area hoping to find the girl? There's simply too much bizarre behavior going on with the parents.

 

[Texana]

And why didn't she fight back? Was she perhaps drugged? Why would an "intruder" risk being taken by surprise by one or both parents? Were either of the twins questioned or were they too young to ask? (Some kids are eloquent by the age of two.) The probability that the Drs. Mccann killed their oldest child is FAR GREATER (statistically speaking) than the presence of a mysterious intruder...and who are "they" as in "They've taken her!" One would expect a distraught mother to scream, "Oh my God she's gone! Has anyone seen her? Help! Help!" in a rush of panic. If it were assumed that she had been sonambulating, why wouldn't the mother rush around the immediate area hoping to find the girl? There's simply too much bizarre behavior going on with the parents.

Exactly. In one of the hugest red flags to me personally, the McCanns did not want the twins awakened to see what they might have seen. In fact, it was noted that the twins were sleeping soundly--and were not awakened by all the commotion (another obvious point towards some kind of drug effect.)

Who wouldn't have shaken awake the other children, asking, "Where's Maddie?" Even if the children could say nothing...they would have been asked.

Probably because the McCanns felt that with Madeleine already dead, there was no need to justify waking up the twins.

 

[Pinkhammer]

I've been away for quite awhile and I now see that poor little Maddie is still being deprived of justice.

I can't believe her father had the nerve to set foot in Portugal again!

What is her ditzy mom up to? She reminds me very much of Casey Anthony--a narcissistic mother who seeks her own pleasure before all else. The whole Anthony case reminds me of the Maddie case. And I believe drugging of the children took place in both cases. Knock the kids out so the parents can go out and have a wild time--yeah, that's the ticket!

Some people should not be allowed to reproduce!

 

[Barnaby]

Hi guys, hope you are all well! I haven't been here since Colomon left, no heart now really, No offence meant to my friends here but missing her insight & constant updated information! She is a huge loss!

 

[teacherbees]

Colomom left? Why???? I haven't been on much lately and missed this development entirely.

 

[thefragile7393]

Ok I somehow totally missed this too.............

 

[scandi]

Ok I somehow totally missed this too.............

We will all miss Colomom. Her heart is deep inside the tragedy of Madeleine going missing.

She is still here in a way, walking the halls of Websleuths and keeping Madeleine's spirit alive so we don't ever forget this little wisp of a girl who is still lost to our world.

You can't turn a page without seeing a message from Colomom. Or do research on the case without seeing the devotion Colomom put into maintaining a continual link record of the case. What she did for everyone here was just wonderful, and to fill those shoes will be impossible.

I think about her often and hope she is doing well. She was so involved here this has to be a big loss for her too.

Krams to ALL

 

[Texana]

We will all miss Colomom. Her heart is deep inside the tragedy of Madeleine going missing.

She is still here in a way, walking the halls of Websleuths and keeping Madeleine's spirit alive so we don't ever forget this little wisp of a girl who is still lost to our world.

You can't turn a page without seeing a message from Colomom. Or do research on the case without seeing the devotion Colomom put into maintaining a continual link record of the case. What she did for everyone here was just wonderful, and to fill those shoes will be impossible.

I think about her often and hope she is doing well. She was so involved here this has to be a big loss for her too.

Krams to ALL

Well said, Scandi.