Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

[Sagwa]

Perhaps the longest gap in posts since the thread began.

C’mon HCW, FF or CB give us some something to look at!

... and c’mon England, time for football to come home!

What HCW is doing is like an episode of Family Guy. CB is Glenn Quagmire: (Giggty giggity gigity) CMK is Herbert the old pedo. FF is Stewie and HCW is himself.
And yeah, England will win in 2021 last year’s football championship. What’s going on?

 

[Lilly b]

Interesting ... many people serving time are turning up to be the perpatrators in old crimes as genealogical DNA testing spreads. So, actually VERY believeable that someone who is incarcerated could be the suspect in another crime (especially when said suspect crime victimology is children within his vicintiy).

Rather like MN, making confessions to another inmate

 

[Anxala]

I cannot believe that anyone could believe that this German prisoner is a suspect! It's easy to accuse a man who is already in prison.

Come on, CB hasn't been accused because he's currently serving a prison sentence, he's been accused because HCW believes and has stated at length that he has evidence that concretely links CB to MM's disappearance and murder. That's all we can go on in the absence of HWC revealing his alleged concrete evidence.

FWIW though, I really don't believe CB is the answer to this cold case question and I very much doubt that what HCW has will ever result in a conviction, despite his 'trust me' assurances.

 

[dsheal]

NSW man sentenced to 30 years’ jail for child abuse

There has been an interesting occurrence of this happening here in Australia that feels like it might have something to do with the same kind of website busts… maybe I’m wrong but the timelines are interesting

 

[SuperdadV8]

NSW man sentenced to 30 years’ jail for child abuse

There has been an interesting occurrence of this happening here in Australia that feels like it might have something to do with the same kind of website busts… maybe I’m wrong but the timelines are interesting

Now that you say it, there have already arrests been made in germany in july 2020, according to a darkweb platform called "TweenFanIsland". Interesting timeline as well. According to the reports, the platform was focused on minor girls. I didn't new that until today. One if the arrested is a former lawyer.

Behörden gelingt Schlag gegen Darknet-Chat für Kinderpornografie

So what do we have? With the help of the FBI at least between 5 and 10 darkweb platforms for pedophilia had been busted in the last three years that were run by german perps.

In the middle of all of this, a new suspect in the MM case, a german with a relevant history, is openly discussed.

Although i'm just able to guess what evidence the prosecutors have, what else than some kind of footage should it be?

Could it explain the long time that has went by, since presenting the suspect in the MM case? Do they need legally binding sentences against other perps linked to darkweb pedophilia, to be able to use them as witnesses against other suspects?

 

[mrjitty]

Come on, CB hasn't been accused because he's currently serving a prison sentence, he's been accused because HCW believes and has stated at length that he has evidence that concretely links CB to MM's disappearance and murder. That's all we can go on in the absence of HWC revealing his alleged concrete evidence.

FWIW though, I really don't believe CB is the answer to this cold case question and I very much doubt that what HCW has will ever result in a conviction, despite his 'trust me' assurances.

If I had to bet on this, I think HCW might have got gassed at the chance to solve a huge case.

CB is the perfect suspect.

 

[sandy_80]

I cannot believe that anyone could believe that this German prisoner is a suspect! It's easy to accuse a man who is already in prison.

this is a case that I cant have any opinion on cause i feel we are constantly gaslighted..and cant tell which is which
however what makes this suspect story interesting is that he has been brought by the germans themselves.. for a country that has nothing to do with the crime.. its strange case if they were trying to pin the case on a german just cause they can.. for notoriety !..even if he is trash

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I understand wanting to learn about the evidence before deciding, but if anyone believes there is no way he's the abductor, why not? Do you think someone with an completely different profile committed this horrible crime?

 

[Anxala]

I understand wanting to learn about the evidence before deciding, but if anyone believes there is no way he's the abductor, why not? Do you think someone with an completely different profile committed this horrible crime?

The root of my difficulty here as far as CB is concerned is that I still see no clear or conclusive evidence that an abduction actually took place. So it's not about me thinking that CB wasn't capable of a crime like this - we all know his history by now and what he's capable of - just that I can't get on board the abduction train. And that's based solidly on everything we actually know, courtesy of the PJ files.

And that's why I'm personally very much on the fence about CB's involvement here.

And until HCW reveals his hand and that hand proves to be the 'concrete' and 'conclusive', guilt his public statements promised, nothing will change that position.

 

[Nikolai_ff]

The root of my difficulty here as far as CB is concerned is that I still see no clear or conclusive evidence that an abduction actually took place. So it's not about me thinking that CB wasn't capable of a crime like this - we all know his history by now and what he's capable of - just that I can't get on board the abduction train. And that's based solidly on everything we actually know, courtesy of the PJ files.

And that's why I'm personally very much on the fence about CB's involvement here.

And until HCW reveals his hand and that hand proves to be the 'concrete' and 'conclusive', guilt his public statements promised, nothing will change that position.

Uhm... a little girl disappearing while parents were away is textbook definition of abduction unless you believe in ufos. I’ve walked those streets. There’s zero chance she walked out and virtually zero that the parents had the chance to be involved. Simply physically not possible.

CB was never investigated originally by the Portuguese which is why he got away. Amaril and his circus did not know a dangerous predator lived a mile from the crime scene and fled a few days after the crime. Had the Portuguese Keystone cops spent more time on police work and less on hours long lunches this case would have been solved days after.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I'm personally very much on the fence

Quote RSBM.

On the fence - definitely fair enough, IMO.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The root of my difficulty here as far as CB is concerned is that I still see no clear or conclusive evidence that an abduction actually took place. So it's not about me thinking that CB wasn't capable of a crime like this - we all know his history by now and what he's capable of - just that I can't get on board the abduction train. And that's based solidly on everything we actually know, courtesy of the PJ files.

And that's why I'm personally very much on the fence about CB's involvement here.

And until HCW reveals his hand and that hand proves to be the 'concrete' and 'conclusive', guilt his public statements promised, nothing will change that position.

We shouldn't forget, that there was a german peado-killer who abducted at least 3 young boys from supervised facilities without leaving any single trace, except from ONE SINGLE open window. He was called the masked man, we all know who i mean. Not to mention the many abuses inside even family homes without leaving any trace. He was sentenced almost 20 years later just because of a confession.

The fact in these cases is, that somebody entered the rooms and abducted the kids!

So IMO the fact that there isn't much evidence of an abduction, shouldn't be kept as a dogma. It'w not a new thing in the child abduction "business".

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Uhm... a little girl disappearing while parents were away is textbook definition of abduction unless you believe in ufos. I’ve walked those streets. There’s zero chance she walked out and virtually zero that the parents had the chance to be involved. Simply physically not possible.

CB was never investigated originally by the Portuguese which is why he got away. Amaril and his circus did not know a dangerous predator lived a mile from the crime scene and fled a few days after the crime. Had the Portuguese Keystone cops spent more time on police work and less on hours long lunches this case would have been solved days after.

Amaral and his PJ relates narrative and show are beyond the ridiculous and embarrassing. Too surreal to be believed. And it's seems to be a "trademark"... (e.g. Joana Cipriano's case)

 

[Anxala]

We shouldn't forget, that there was a german peado-killer who abducted at least 3 young boys from supervised facilities without leaving any single trace, except from ONE SINGLE open window. He was called the masked man, we all know who i mean. Not to mention the many abuses inside even family homes without leaving any trace. He was sentenced almost 20 years later just because of a confession.

The fact in these cases is, that somebody entered the rooms and abducted the kids!

So IMO the fact that there isn't much evidence of an abduction, shouldn't be kept as a dogma. It'w not a new thing in the child abduction "business".

It's not a dogma, Superdad, just my not seeing any evidence to suggest that someone entered 5A that evening and took MM. And that opinion is based solely on the words and deeds and rogatory statements of all the key people involved. If there turn out to be explanations for all the inconsistencies, then great, I'm happy to be wrong. But until then, I'm staying firmly where I am.

 

[SuperdadV8]

It's not a dogma, Superdad, just my not seeing any evidence to suggest that someone entered 5A that evening and took MM. And that opinion is based solely on the words and deeds and rogatory statements of all the key people involved. If there turn out to be explanations for all the inconsistencies, then great, I'm happy to be wrong. But until then, I'm staying firmly where I am.

I understand you Anxala, maybe better than you think. But the fact is, it's a murder investigation.

Due to the lack of info i would even assume, that there is no evidence of abduction. But it doesn't matter. If you can prove a murder, you do not need evidence for abduction. It's a cumbersome investigation i think.

In the end, it doesn't matter how MM left 5A. If HCW proves how she died, we wouldn't discuss in here how she left 5A. I assume he can't prove how she left. But i assume he has evidence of her being dead. As hard as it may sound.

He is focused on the things that might have happened after she left 5A probably!

 

[sandy_80]

I understand the mistrust surrounding this case
however those who are on ( the parents did it ) campaign.. are not presenting a reasonable theory either ...

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to the lack of new info, what about a little bit of "brainstorming"?

It is a proven fact, that CB had a connection to Braunschweig (Brunswick). Although we know that this connection is related to a timeline from 2012 or 2013 and on, we do not know, if there was an connection that could predate these years. What we know is, that he boasted around transporting children much earlier and he frequently travelled between the countries.

I found and old article about a couple that ran residential groups for children in the town of Gifhorn, what is very close to Bunswick between 1998 and 2007. They have been arrested and imprisoned for abusing these poor kids for years! According to the following link, the couple has been in charge for the group for about 25 years.

Missbrauchs-Vorwurf gegen Gifhorner Ehepaar: Diakonie will jahrelang nichts gewusst haben

This residential group was hosted by the....again..."Diakonie". Same institution CB grew up with, has been related to in Portugal and where little Inga went missing as well.

Of course far away from a concrete relation to the case and the suspect, but another remarkable coincidence as well. And that case became public in 2019.....

Just a thought, but maybe it could fill the void!

PS: The "Diakonie" is a big clerical institution. I would like to ask again, who is paying CB's expensive lawyers?

 

[SuperdadV8]

If you are a destituted person after having finished a prison sentence, your fellows "cleaned" your secret hideabout and you are related to a clerical institution from your past years in some way, what could be your first direction if you are hungry?

Is child abuse in connection to clerical institutions a no go discussion in that forum?

 

[Lyndaloo]

I really think you could be on the right track superdad, I believe quite possibly a ring organised by a clerical organisation being used by high profile names and a cover up by pj defo probably by Scotland Yard too, just my opinion. Do you have names of perps in Gifhorn?

 

[Loobyloo]

I really think you could be on the right track superdad, I believe quite possibly a ring organised by a clerical organisation being used by high profile names and a cover up by pj defo probably by Scotland Yard too, just my opinion. Do you have names of perps in Gifhorn?

No names mentioned in the article, nor in this more recent one about the sentences handed down to the couple:
Missbrauchsprozess: Pädagogen-Ehepaar aus Gifhorn verurteilt
Is 'Revision' an appeal? It says they can request a 'Revision' within one week, but I've not found the outcome. Was just wondering if their names would be made public when a final sentence was decided.