RichardKimble
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MM was also seen in Marrakesh around the 9th, well travelled she was then.
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Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39
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Well that puts the kaibosh on the (rather bizarre) theory that the media is too afraid to criticise the German investigation because of the McCanns...
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1347 to 1348 Statement re sighting in Alcoc
05-06-Apensos V, Vol 6, Pages 1347 and 1348
Along with all the other reports around which a culture of ridicule has been constructed around bona fide sightings of a missing child.
Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".
A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.
The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.
He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.
The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.
A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".
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Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.
Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.
1347 to 1348 Statement re sighting in Alcoc
05-06-Apensos V, Vol 6, Pages 1347 and 1348
Along with all the other reports around which a culture of ridicule has been constructed around bona fide sightings of a missing child.
- CB had vans
- CB visited Spain on a regular basis
- There are many reports of a German connection to MM's disappearance
Portuguese police say the German evidence against the new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case is "significant".
A senior police source also told the BBC they were keen to cooperate in the investigation into the disappearance of the British girl in Portugal in 2007.
The new suspect is a 43-year-old German man, named in reports as Christian B, who is in prison in Germany.
He was revealed as the main suspect earlier this month, as German and UK police made a fresh appeal for help.
The convicted paedophile is believed to have been in the area where Madeleine, aged three, was last seen while on holiday in Portugal.
A senior Portuguese police source, who has seen the German evidence against Christian B, has told the BBC it is "very important" and "significant".
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Another source close to the investigation said Portuguese police accepted that Christian B was now a suspect.
Asked whether they had access to his previous convictions for child sexual offences at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, he said it was important not to judge the past with the benefit of hindsight, and that police systems since then had changed.
Madeleine McCann: New evidence 'significant' - Portuguese police
A Portuguese police source rejects criticism over their investigation into the missing three-year-old.
www.bbc.co.uk
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To validate it, yes, agree. The stumbling block remains though ie. what the piece of evidence is that they have that gave them the confidence to announce to the world at large that their prime suspect abducted and murdered MM. That he was guilty as charged, a deliberate message sent to the waiting court of public opinion.
I know we're going round (and round and round and round) the houses on this but the above claim, if it was one backed up by irrefutable fact, would remain an irrefutable fact, one that, despite further evidence not being forthcoming as a result of appeals, would surely still pass muster with a sensible and objective judge. The fact that it hasn't been given that inspection chance tells its own story.
Never was a charge and a trial more imperative than it is here. Otherwise we'll still be here in 5 years time, on thread #7,094, still dancing the same ridiculous and exhausting dance.
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Wolters has said he has enough evidence to charge but wants to charge with the best possible evidence..imo feels he might be able to find the body.....why is Brunt misrepresenting the facts yet again
Brunt's heard it all before, many times. Prosecutors can claim whatever they want but it's meaningless until words turn into actions.
(We know in 2007 he made the mistake of believing bold claims. I expect he's been on guard in this case ever since)
Wolters has said he has enough evidence to charge.
Brunt reports he doesn't...Brunt is misrepresenting the facts again..
I think if the five prosecutions had proceeded as planned things would be different now. I suppose the best that can be said as far as MM's case is concerned is that it would have been subject to the jurisdiction delay if charges had been laid. At least that will have been resolved and one hopes fairly soon.
I agree that the investigators are looking for human remains. This delay is giving them time to do so.
Brunt at least laid out the hierarchy of the investigation explaining HWC's place as spokesperson. At appx 13:04/19:13 he said HWC "is the spokesman not the main prosecutor, he speaks on behalf of the prosecutors"
Brunt didn't say he doesn't, he's just explaining why people might doubt the bullish claims.
One thing they don't mention in that discussion is that the justice system in Germany is different to the one all four of the folks in the programme are used to. Maybe they should have done.
That would have been a very good point for them to make. Elementary! We know how different the German justice system is from ours although not perhaps in any great detail. The target audience in the main, won't.
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Talking of which was there ever official confirmation that the Braunschweig office challenged the jurisdiction issue.
I don't know, if the Bild guys don't know what chance have we got
It is interesting that none of us have any information about whether or not there has been an appeal regarding the jurisdiction ruling.
I think whatever is happening with that may have influenced what Martin Brunt was told.
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Thanks for link.
Oliver Doherty, the media law & serious crime barrister, is the most interesting person on that panel. He's the only one who seems to have a proper grasp of the BKA investigation facts and all their attendant problematic messiness, legally and morally.
Brunt and the ex-detective are just background noise imo, neither one says anything remotely of worth or interest as far as the case/investigation exists here now in 2023.
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Earlier in the thread we wondered if the Braunschweig public prosecutors had appealed against the decision of the court regarding jurisdiction.
It seems an appeal has been lodged, as expected.
Fuss about suspects in the "Maddie" case: Prosecutor's office appeals to the court
Stand:12/05/2023, 16:22 p.m.
By: Moritz Bletzinger
The trial against the suspect in the "Maddie" case has burst for the time being. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office does not come to terms with this and lodges a complaint, as IPPEN does. MEDIA knows.
Braunschweig – The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig wants to bring the man to justice, who is suspected of kidnapping Maddie McCann. But the district court did not go along with it and dismissed the October 2022 indictment. The Trial Chamber declared itself "not competent".
www.hna.de
It seems an appeal has been lodged, as expected.
Fuss about suspects in the "Maddie" case: Prosecutor's office appeals to the court
Stand:12/05/2023, 16:22 p.m.
By: Moritz Bletzinger
The trial against the suspect in the "Maddie" case has burst for the time being. The Braunschweig public prosecutor's office does not come to terms with this and lodges a complaint, as IPPEN does. MEDIA knows.
Braunschweig – The public prosecutor's office in Braunschweig wants to bring the man to justice, who is suspected of kidnapping Maddie McCann. But the district court did not go along with it and dismissed the October 2022 indictment. The Trial Chamber declared itself "not competent".
Landgericht nicht zuständig: Prozess gegen Verdächtigen im Fall Maddie geplatzt
Im Mai 2007 verschwand die damals dreijährige Britin Madeleine McCann aus einer Ferienanlage. Nun folgt die nächste Wende im mysteriösen Vermisstenfall.
Dispute over jurisdiction: Braunschweig public prosecutor's office lodges a complaint
In the question of whether the Braunschweig judiciary is responsible for the suspect Christian B. and thus also for the Maddie case, the public prosecutor's office has meanwhile officially filed an appeal against the decision of the Braunschweig Regional Court to reject a currently filed charge against the now 46-year-old._________________________________________
The justification is still pending. It has not yet been delivered to the district court, explains HCW, spokesman for the public prosecutor's office, on request. As soon as it is available, the court can re-examine its decision and, if necessary, amend it.
"Investigations into the MM case continue as planned"
If the Chamber maintains its view, the Higher Regional Court of Braunschweig is to clarify this legal question in the next instance.Until then, according to authority spokesman HCW, "we continue to assume our responsibility, so that the investigations in the MM case will continue as planned".
Fall Maddie: Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig bestätigt neue Suche
Bundeskriminalamt ist am Stausee in Portugal im Einsatz. Wohnort-Streit: Zuständigkeit der Braunschweiger Justiz für Christian B. weiterhin unklar.
www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de
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