Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[rebel123]

Be careful to read what the article actually says. She is referring to 2005, 2 years before the abuction. In 2005 he had the Jag and this yellow estate. By 2007, he also had the campervan. We don't know whether he still had the estate in 2007 at the moment.

Sorry you were talk about the estate, the third car.
Ref: camper van - It seems like he did, he occasionally parked it in his friends 'scrapyard' then eventually selling it to the scrapyard owner in 2014 for approx £5000.

 

[Dlk79]

It seems like he did, he occasionally parked it in his friends 'scrapyard' then eventually selling it to the scrapyard owner in 2014 for approx £5000.

I thought that was the campervan he sold to the scrapyard for 5k? I'm saying we're not sure he still had the yellow estate by 2007.

 

[tedtink]

He was a car dealer - I imagine many cars passed through his hands.

 

[rebel123]

I thought that was the campervan he sold to the scrapyard for 5k? I'm saying we're not sure he still had the yellow estate by 2007.

Your correct, I've edited the post. I thought you were talking about the camper van.

 

[FrankHoney]

I agree that human trafficking depends on exploiting people who are poor and naive, who put themselves, or their children, in the hands of the trafficker in order to, as they believe, get a better life. People agree to work contracts and then can't get out. Or become prostitutes for an initially protective pimp, or they sell their children, believing it will offer the child a better life.This way, no one draws police attention to the trafficking and it can continue for a long period of time, with no danger to the traffickers that they'll be caught. It is, like drug smuggling, a business, and keeping under the police radar is how the business succeeds.

Kidnapping the child of wealthy parents from a first world country, while they are staying at a holiday resort, is extremely risky. IMO a trafficker could much more easily locate a child at, say, an orphanage in a poor country. IMO this means the kidnapper enjoyed taking big risks, the risk and getting away with the crime was probably a big part of the gratification for the perpetrator. IMO it was a kind of burglary, except instead of stealing a camera, the burglar stole a child, primarily for the thrill of it.

To add to this, I also think that there’s a lot to be said for a potential suspect who knows the area well, can pop in the car and drive home easily at any moment. Who blends in the area well. Have locals who understand his language and vice versa. Knows how the local cops work. Is comfortable enough. Can live his day to day life alongside committing crime.

Thinking about where you might find an orphanage in a poor country, are they normally situated in places where it’s normal for foreign men to be hanging around? Could a German bloke rock up to an orphanage in say, Lithuania, and nobody bats an eyelid? Whereas a young German man hanging round holiday apartments in the Algarve is not an extraordinary situation.

All just my opinion.

 

[sleuth-d-]

I agree that human trafficking depends on exploiting people who are poor and naive, who put themselves, or their children, in the hands of the trafficker in order to, as they believe, get a better life. People agree to work contracts and then can't get out. Or become prostitutes for an initially protective pimp, or they sell their children, believing it will offer the child a better life.This way, no one draws police attention to the trafficking and it can continue for a long period of time, with no danger to the traffickers that they'll be caught. It is, like drug smuggling, a business, and keeping under the police radar is how the business succeeds.

Kidnapping the child of wealthy parents from a first world country, while they are staying at a holiday resort, is extremely risky. IMO a trafficker could much more easily locate a child at, say, an orphanage in a poor country. IMO this means the kidnapper enjoyed taking big risks, the risk and getting away with the crime was probably a big part of the gratification for the perpetrator. IMO it was a kind of burglary, except instead of stealing a camera, the burglar stole a child, primarily for the thrill of it.

mountain climbing always looks like a huge thrill, and 99% of people would watch and say a huge risk, but probably less so to the guy that practices and plans it every day. then again, plenty of climbers end up falling and die - maybe they are the ones that don't plan so well, or they go one risk too far.

then we have CB, caught for minor theft in 1999, and stealing diesel in 2006. even caught hiding under his gfs bed in jan 2006. which kind of contradicts the idea that he is/was a careful planner.

a strange balance of needing to plan carefully in order to escape conviction and needing to take increased risks for the thrill of it. needing to keep quiet about your crimes, but also wanting to boast about what you have done.

caught for rape because of just one hair in the bedroom, but what led to him being caught was because he got drunk and showed a video of that crime in a bar.

that one hair is going to torture him for 7 years in prison.

 

[Cherwell]

I read that it was years later that he came forward and that he even posed in the same exact clothes he was wearing and also produced the distinctive frilly bottomed pyjamas his daughter was wearing that night,I know people do keep their children's clothes for younger siblings and whatnot but this just seemed odd to me.
They said the creche gave them the names of everyone who picked up their children that night and he was contacted and confirmed it was him,so he appeared to have no knowledge of the sighting or description, which again seems odd as it was everywhere and easily found online and I would think anyone who was holidaying there at the time would have an interest in following the case even loosely so it's hard to see how he never came across such a specific description of himself and didn't recognise it,yet 6years later ( I think,dont quote me!) when he is approached by SY he can produce both his own and his 2 or 3 yr old daughters clothing and has a clear recollection,but maybe I am just suspicious by nature!

Why did Madeleine McCann cops waste years investigating GP sighting?

If you read the article you will find that all this is explained. This man and his wife were fully aware at the time, but the police did not match them up with the Tanner sighting.

He was interviewed by the Guarda Nacional Republicana soon after Maddie, three, vanished in May 2007, but his wife Rachel said: “My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn’t hear anything for years.
“When the police finally realised the significance it was too late to really help.
“We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner
"But the national police who investigated didn’t get back to us and we don’t know if our information was ever passed on.”
.....
Efforts by the Totmans, who live in the South West, to point out the importance of Julian’s movements fell on deaf ears. They were never contacted by Leicestershire police, whose officers were responsible at the time for collating all UK inquiries.

Not so surprising that they kept the pyjamas then. They were always expecting it to be followed up.

 

[Cherwell]

in 2007, according to what is currently in the public domain, the current suspect had not abducted anyone. or murdered anyone.
he did have an interest in children. he was also homeless. so ways to make money would surely have been of interest to him. there's his double motive.
maybe he was more the accomplice, than the instigator.

Do we know for a fact that he was homeless, ie living in the camper van?
Can we be certain this is true?

 

[Kiranerys]

Sorry you were talk about the estate, the third car.
Ref: camper van - It seems like he did, he occasionally parked it in his friends 'scrapyard' then eventually selling it to the scrapyard owner in 2014 for approx £5000.

I wonder how many working vehicles that 'scrapyard' had at any one time,what a perfect opportunity to borrow an inconspicuous vehicle,possibly with borrowed plates...

 

[sleuth-d-]

Do we know for a fact that he was homeless, ie living in the camper van?
Can we be certain this is true?

no we can't. all i can do is read between the lines. and make assumptions.
"A British mother-of-one has claimed Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'targeted her' a month after the British three-year old went missing."
"Angie Dawes was 32 when she said Brueckner suddenly appeared in the Portuguese village of Foral, Silves, where her family lived."
"...the paedophile did odd jobs at her family's gated £200,000 home in exchange for showers and meals."
British woman claims Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'targeted her' | Daily Mail Online

 

[sleuth-d-]

I wonder how many working vehicles that 'scrapyard' had at any one time,what a perfect opportunity to borrow an inconspicuous vehicle,possibly with borrowed plates...

agreed. inconspicuous car... much better than a jag. or a camper van.
i would also add that any dark coloured car would appear black under that PdL sodium lighting.
File:Red and black cars under low pressure sodium lamps.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

If CB were living in Portugal, why was he going back to Germany?

was that likely due to the paedophilia? Or drug running? Wasn’t to see his parents if he were estranged from them. Why bother? It is an expense that he may not have been able to afford...

 

[Kiranerys]

Why did Madeleine McCann cops waste years investigating GP sighting?

If you read the article you will find that all this is explained. This man and his wife were fully aware at the time, but the police did not match them up with the Tanner sighting.

He was interviewed by the Guarda Nacional Republicana soon after Maddie, three, vanished in May 2007, but his wife Rachel said: “My husband had told the local police it could be him but we didn’t hear anything for years.
“When the police finally realised the significance it was too late to really help.
“We always thought it was Julian who was seen by Jane Tanner
"But the national police who investigated didn’t get back to us and we don’t know if our information was ever passed on.”
.....
Efforts by the Totmans, who live in the South West, to point out the importance of Julian’s movements fell on deaf ears. They were never contacted by Leicestershire police, whose officers were responsible at the time for collating all UK inquiries.

Not so surprising that they kept the pyjamas then. They were always expecting it to be followed up.

Thanks, further down the thread I saw that they had been questioned and in another post I theorized that this could have been exactly the reason they kept hold of the clothes

 

[Ardoch]

I get what you mean, it was dark yes but also pretty quiet ( as in soundwise) according to witnesses. The only people on the street, going up and down every 10 minutes were parents.
Much easier to nab a child on a crowded beach in the day time where people passing will just think a crying child is a normal occurrence. I've never bought the trafficking gangs theory. There are some horrible people that allow access to their own kids if people want them and let them go for small amounts of money. So it makes no sense to me someone would order a child from a holiday resort and pay enough that would cover a group of people enough for the possible charges they would get.
If someone did take her I think it would be someone like Bruckner, alone.

I understand your point about a child being 'lost' in a crowd like a beach but generally people are keeping an eye on them watching that they don't paddle out too far and are usually in a fairly close proximity.
If CB carried out the act of abducting her on his own and whatever happened after, it's a more serious crime than he's been convicted of before.
This asks the questions:
Was he lucky in this instance?
Has he been lucky before?
How good is he in covering his tracks?

 

[peanutJelly]

To add to this, I also think that there’s a lot to be said for a potential suspect who knows the area well, can pop in the car and drive home easily at any moment. Who blends in the area well. Have locals who understand his language and vice versa. Knows how the local cops work. Is comfortable enough. Can live his day to day life alongside committing crime.

Thinking about where you might find an orphanage in a poor country, are they normally situated in places where it’s normal for foreign men to be hanging around? Could a German bloke rock up to an orphanage in say, Lithuania, and nobody bats an eyelid? Whereas a young German man hanging round holiday apartments in the Algarve is not an extraordinary situation.

All just my opinion.

Who may have moved there in the first place as he had ‘connections’ there. I’m still not convinced him and girlfriend moved there because they liked the name, still convinced he was connected to likeminded people in the algarve

 

[peanutJelly]

I understand your point about a child being 'lost' in a crowd like a beach but generally people are keeping an eye on them watching that they don't paddle out too far and are usually in a fairly close proximity.
If CB carried out the act of abducting her on his own and whatever happened after, it's a more serious crime than he's been convicted of before.
This asks the questions:
Was he lucky in this instance?
Has he been lucky before?
How good is he in covering his tracks?

Was he connected to others who’d previously been successful in taking children?

 

[Toothcomb]

I'm looking for the link between CB and AB. Did AB state he had the car registered in his name?
Who was the middle man/woman or both? Done through a mutual acquaintance? Someone being blackmailed/threatened?
Who did AB owe a favour to?
Quite significant that some original suspects re-interviewed in 2013/14ish when CB likely started being looked at.
In a PJ statement one had significant car background.

 

[tedtink]

It's interesting that when the block booking was made for the Tapas Bar on Sun 29th April - the reason it was accepted (not normally) was at the insistence of the man booking who said that they would be leaving many children alone in the appts.
Did the receptionist have to justify her decision to block book to anyone I wonder? Was it spoken about amongst other employees?

P.J. POLICE FILES: LUISA ANA DE NORONHA DE AZEVEDO COUTINHO

 

[dotr]

https://news.sky.com/story/madelein...portuguese-police-to-stop-squabbling-12005556
''Madeleine McCann: Family lawyer urges British, German and Portuguese police to stop squabbling''

''Mr Alves said: "It would be a much stronger investigation if everybody is pushing from the same side. I don't even like to talk about the danger of competition in police because there is something much more important that has to be considered.''

 

[rebel123]

If CB were living in Portugal, why was he going back to Germany?

was that likely due to the paedophilia? Or drug running? Wasn’t to see his parents if he were estranged from them. Why bother? It is an expense that he may not have been able to afford...

Criminality, the authorities closing in on him, moves around, but returns when things cool down. Lots of criminals operate like that.