Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[10ofRods]

I believe psychopathy is caused by nature and nurture. It doesn’t mean they are not responsible for their crimes. They are. They should be locked up and if they kill, they should be locked up for life.

I think the idea is more preventative. Since the diagnosis is based on SPECT/MRI and/or genetic testing, we could identify people at risk.

But American society isn't ready for that and we'd just have big old debates about using science in this manner.

 

[LittleRose]

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Leader of human trafficking network with a thousand victims lived in Portugal - Plataforma Media

 

[sleuth-d-]

Providing information, opening locked apartments, etc. On the day of the abduction, nobody knew that this case was going to get the coverage it has or how huge it would become.

if you provided information or opened a locked door for an associate, in the belief that a camera was going to be stolen. i can see your point.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

The circumstances of a child who's on their own (for about 20 -30mins) in a ground floor, partially - concealed apartment at the end of a road, in darkness, might have been the opportunity they'd been looking for. imo

I get what you mean, it was dark yes but also pretty quiet ( as in soundwise) according to witnesses. The only people on the street, going up and down every 10 minutes were parents.
Much easier to nab a child on a crowded beach in the day time where people passing will just think a crying child is a normal occurrence. I've never bought the trafficking gangs theory. There are some horrible people that allow access to their own kids if people want them and let them go for small amounts of money. So it makes no sense to me someone would order a child from a holiday resort and pay enough that would cover a group of people enough for the possible charges they would get.
If someone did take her I think it would be someone like Bruckner, alone.

 

[rebel123]

Scotland Yard receives 920 tip-offs after appeal over Madeleine McCann suspect

Scotland Yard receives 920 tip-offs after appeal over Maddie suspect

Don't forget there would have been further tip offs in Portugal and Germany.

 

[rebel123]

if you provided information or opened a locked door for an associate, in the belief that a camera was going to be stolen. i can see your point.

Maybe the employee was mislead as to what was going to happen, CB has been described as a 'liar' by a lot of people.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Leader of human trafficking network with a thousand victims lived in Portugal - Plataforma Media

Those gangs generally deal in illegal immigrants coming from Africa, they then send them to other bits of Europe to become slaves and sex workers. Very young children are hardly ever involved as they can't really be made to work.

'the leader at the international level", known as "the chief", was a man of Central African origin, who shared his residence between Germany and Portugal, where there were three searches. The suspect had a history of encouraging irregular immigration in other European countries.'

 

[LBB]

I’ve not been on here in a few years but just logged back in having read about German police possibly alerting CB to their investigation in 2013.

In 2013 there was the following article which said police believed MM could possibly still be alive. This worries me. What did they have to make them think that she was still alive and what has happened since then and since the police allegedly gave it away to CB that has led to it being a murder enquiry. I’m aware it is different police forces but I thought the timing was interesting.
British police believe Madeleine McCann may still be alive

 

[rebel123]

Correct, according to this item:
Madeleine McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend says police must find secret third car

At the time he owned the Jag and another (3rd) car.

Madeleine McCann: Crucial new evidence includes prime suspect's mystery half-hour call and orange campervan

 

[Officer Dibble]

I get what you mean, it was dark yes but also pretty quiet ( as in soundwise) according to witnesses. The only people on the street, going up and down every 10 minutes were parents.
Much easier to nab a child on a crowded beach in the day time where people passing will just think a crying child is a normal occurrence. I've never bought the trafficking gangs theory. There are some horrible people that allow access to their own kids if people want them and let them go for small amounts of money. So it makes no sense to me someone would order a child from a holiday resort and pay enough that would cover a group of people enough for the possible charges they would get.
If someone did take her I think it would be someone like Bruckner, alone.

And yet...I reported early on in this thread in detail about the couple on TV from Kent (iirc) who said further down the coast a man had been scoping out their children at their holiday apartments, taking photos and that it ended in a scuffle and police being called...but police didnt arrive until next day.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Who knows?, maybe a member of a ring just happened to work at the complex and saw an opportunity when they realised the group had the same routine every night, it only takes minutes to make phone calls and arrange a plan.
Maybe there was a ring,maybe not,maybe there was an accomplice or maybe CB worked alone,maybe CB didnt do it at all, I tend to just share it here when ideas pop into my head tbf.

Please don't think I was trying to dismiss your theory out of hand. I have thought about all these theories so I just like to think out loud ( or in writing) and discuss them on here.

 

[LittleRose]

I’ve not been on here in a few years but just logged back in having read about German police possibly alerting CB to their investigation in 2013.

In 2013 there was the following article which said police believed MM could possibly still be alive. This worries me. What did they have to make them think that she was still alive and what has happened since then and since the police allegedly gave it away to CB that has led to it being a murder enquiry. I’m aware it is different police forces but I thought the timing was interesting.
British police believe Madeleine McCann may still be alive

This was a story carried in several tabloids at the time. There were reports that the British police later confiscated the computers of the man who said he met MM on a Mediterranean island.
Madeleine McCann sighting: Witness claims to have spotted Maddie alive just weeks ago

 

[Armchair_Defective]

And yet...I reported early on in this thread in detail about the couple on TV from Kent (iirc) who said further down the coast a man had been scoping out their children at their holiday apartments, taking photos and that it ended in a scuffle and police being called...but police didnt arrive until next day.

He may not have been a 'snatcher' though, maybe just a pervert ( I don't mean that to sound crass!)
There was something investigated years ago about information about a gang but nothing seems to have come from it.

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“Intelligence suggests that a paedophile ring in Belgium made an order for a young girl three days before Madeleine McCann was taken,” the email says.


“Somebody connected to this group saw Maddie, took a photograph of her and sent it to Belgium. The purchaser agreed that the girl was suitable and Maddie was taken.”

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman confirmed that they had passed on the information in an email, but would not comment on the identity of the informant, the reliability of their information or how seriously the claim was taken.'

Informant claimed Madeleine was stolen to order.

In a statement, the Metropolitan Police said: “Unsubstantiated information was received by CO14 (Scotland Yard’s clubs and vice unit) relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This was passed onto Leicestershire Police on March 4, 2008.

“The information was further discussed with Leicestershire Police verbally and all possible lines of enquiry were conducted.”

 

[Wowno17]

According to Scotland Yard the child was not Madeleine. So unless people think SY made a huge blunder.....not likely.

I have already said I think the sighting was not Madeleine. Yes it said it's possible, because it is, but I don't think it was at all. I think the sighting was the father with his daughter.

MOO

 

[sleuth-d-]

Maybe the employee was mislead as to what was going to happen, CB has been described as a 'liar' by a lot of people.

then the crime blows up out of all proportion. the employee, who has been lied to and has low level involvement - soon knows the scale of what has actually happened. does the employee keep quiet?
interacton like this with hotel employees just doesn't seem like a way to keep a crime like this quiet for 13 years.

it comes back to 'careful planning' - if there was an accomplice, would mean another very 'trusted' person - say someone involved in similar crimes. involving random hotel employees in the way you describe isn't careful planning.

jmo.

 

[Satchie]

Those gangs generally deal in illegal immigrants coming from Africa, they then send them to other bits of Europe to become slaves and sex workers. Very young children are hardly ever involved as they can't really be made to work.

'the leader at the international level", known as "the chief", was a man of Central African origin, who shared his residence between Germany and Portugal, where there were three searches. The suspect had a history of encouraging irregular immigration in other European countries.'

I agree that human trafficking depends on exploiting people who are poor and naive, who put themselves, or their children, in the hands of the trafficker in order to, as they believe, get a better life. People agree to work contracts and then can't get out. Or become prostitutes for an initially protective pimp, or they sell their children, believing it will offer the child a better life.This way, no one draws police attention to the trafficking and it can continue for a long period of time, with no danger to the traffickers that they'll be caught. It is, like drug smuggling, a business, and keeping under the police radar is how the business succeeds.

Kidnapping the child of wealthy parents from a first world country, while they are staying at a holiday resort, is extremely risky. IMO a trafficker could much more easily locate a child at, say, an orphanage in a poor country. IMO this means the kidnapper enjoyed taking big risks, the risk and getting away with the crime was probably a big part of the gratification for the perpetrator. IMO it was a kind of burglary, except instead of stealing a camera, the burglar stole a child, primarily for the thrill of it.

 

[tedtink]

I’ve not been on here in a few years but just logged back in having read about German police possibly alerting CB to their investigation in 2013.

In 2013 there was the following article which said police believed MM could possibly still be alive. This worries me. What did they have to make them think that she was still alive and what has happened since then and since the police allegedly gave it away to CB that has led to it being a murder enquiry. I’m aware it is different police forces but I thought the timing was interesting.
British police believe Madeleine McCann may still be alive

I don't think they had anything to prove she WAS alive - only NOTHING to prove she was dead.

 

[Dlk79]

I thought the ex GF said he didnt have the camper van at that time?

Correct, according to this item:
Madeleine McCann suspect's ex-girlfriend says police must find secret third car

At the time he owned the Jag and another (3rd) car.

Be careful to read what the article actually says. She is referring to 2005, 2 years before the abuction. In 2005 he had the Jag and this yellow estate. By 2007, he also had the campervan. We don't know whether he still had the estate in 2007 at the moment.

 

[rebel123]

then the crime blows up out of all proportion. the employee, who has been lied to and has low level involvement - soon knows the scale of what has actually happened. does the employee keep quiet?
interacton like this with hotel employees just doesn't seem like a way to keep a crime like this quiet for 13 years.

it comes back to 'careful planning' - if there was an accomplice, would mean another very 'trusted' person - say someone involved in similar crimes. involving random hotel employees in the way you describe isn't careful planning.

jmo.

Well, he/she would be an accomplice and well-known for the most heinous crime imaginable. No doubt they left when they felt the heat was no longer on the employees.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I imagine it would be easier to snatch a young child asleep in an unlocked apartment than on a beach. I know kids are all over the place on a beach but so are cameras, and parents are more nosy on a beach imo. Plus the child will be awake. I don’t think it was an opportunistic burglary. I think it had to be an abduction once it was realised there was a pattern of leaving the children.