Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #7

[Jenesaisquoi]

Wonder if CB would go back to terrify Portugal if he were freed?

 

[Kiranerys]

LOL... sorry... they need a sarcasm font!

I thought that was it but you know

 

[Kikixxxx]

Former lead detective in Madeleine McCann case claims Portuguese police did an 'excellent job'

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I just listened to the podcast too. It does seem clear to me that the person calling CB would get some form of immunity if they co operate with the investigation, especially if it results in Madeleine’s body being found. It has got to be worth that person contacting German or UK police. If CB does get out, perhaps he would track down and kill that person?

 

[sleuth-d-]

lots of information on cb crimes and prison time has emerged, but there seem to be two omissions.

1999: CB extradition #1. back to germany from portugal to serve balance of a two-year youth sentence in 1994 for sexually abusing a child [6 years old] when he was 17.
1999-2001: CB in custody, juvenile prison? adult prison? but where?

2017: june: CB arrested and extradited #2 to Germany.
june 2017 - august 2018: CB in custody
was this for the conviction mentioned below:
"In 2015 he was convicted yet again, this time of causing bodily harm."
Christian Brückner: Everything we know about the new German Madeleine McCann suspect
but what happened?

has anyone read more detail about these two events?
i am wondering whether there is any significance why these elements have not reached the media.

 

[Barbieshell]

They do make phones that take 2 sim cards, i have one, Samsung Galaxy J7 prime, not that uncommon, plenty on amazon and ebay, even more if you look at Chinese phone manufacturers.

Yeah my Homtom P30 pro has dual sim technology - not that I use it

 

[Barbieshell]

I hope they at least get him for hazels rape. I’m convinced that was CB. But if the evidence was destroyed in 2006 then the chances are slim they’ll be able to pin that on him with forensics linking him to it. I did read dna was recovered from her underwear but subsequently destroyed due to the “bad condition” it was in .. but I’m hoping it’s still on the PJ files you’d think? - I’m just not sure if CB’s defence would want their own team to analyse the sample and if it no longer exists... maybe it would be seen as inadmissible?

They need to get him on some kind of concrete charge otherwise I can see this walking.

 

[Toothcomb]

Perhaps an employee who had had an early shift (and therefore knew things) and who spoke to CB from far out of pdl.

Phone call could potentially be from a middle person.
Call or message to them, then they relay message on to CB.

 

[Dlk79]

lots of information on cb crimes and prison time has emerged, but there seem to be two omissions.

1999: CB extradition #1. back to germany from portugal to serve balance of a two-year youth sentence in 1994 for sexually abusing a child [6 years old] when he was 17.
1999-2001: CB in custody, juvenile prison? adult prison? but where?

2017: june: CB arrested and extradited #2 to Germany.
june 2017 - august 2018: CB in custody
was this for the conviction mentioned below:
"In 2015 he was convicted yet again, this time of causing bodily harm."
Christian Brückner: Everything we know about the new German Madeleine McCann suspect
but what happened?

has anyone read more detail about these two events?
i am wondering whether there is any significance why these elements have not reached the media.

I suspect the information you are after is difficult to attain as it's clouded by Germany's privacy laws. From what I can establish he served 2 months in Evora, Portugal for theft in 1999. He was then extradited back to Germany to supposedly serve out the 2 year youth sentence he had fled but it gets hazy at this point regarding what actually happened.

Given it is claimed he lived in the farmhouse continually from 1999 to 2006, it seems unlikely he spent any length of time serving a sentence in Germany, how would he have paid the rent? The following quote is from the Independent -

"It is unclear if he served any time in prison, or what exactly the two-year juvenile sentence consisted of."

Madeleine McCann suspect 'had moved to Portugal to flee prison sentence' in Germany

Regarding the 2017 extradition and sentence, I've seen conflicting reports. The Inews article says -

"Der Spiegel reported he was extradited from Portugal in 2017 and initially convicted of drug trafficking."

https://inews.co.uk/news/christian-...pect-german-new-case-prison-latest-434184/amp

But the Guardian article states -

"In June 2017 he was arrested again and returned to Germany for a sentence of 15 months in prison for the sexual abuse of a child. After his release from prison, he found himself homeless and said he felt persecuted by the police who followed his every move, even as he slept on a park bench, he said."

This version is backed up in the timeline in the following Daily Mail article.

June 2017: He heads back to Portugal and extradited again to Germany. The reason was a sentencing of the Braunschweig district court to 15 months' imprisonment for the sexual abuse of a child.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner WILL remain in jail

Interestingly, in the same Daily Mail article it also says the following -

"He moved from Germany to the Portuguese coastal town in 1995 after serving part of a two-year sentence for molesting a six-year-old girl in Wurzburg."

This implies he served some of the 2 year youth sentence before fleeing to Portugal. I'm guessing it was more like some kind of community sentence if he was able to flee part way through. Would explain then maybe a short sentence when he was extradited back in 1999 before reurning "very soon after" to Portugal which a number of news reports state he did.

 

[tedtink]

I'm afraid they can't get the evidence they need to push on through. Belgium paper reports.....(don't know the credibility of this paper)

German investigators slow down: "We may not be able to sue suspect of the murder of Madeleine McCann"

The case against Christian Brückner, the prime suspect for the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann, does not seem as strong as previously thought. The Braunschweig city prosecutor now warns that the man "may not be charged" due to a lack of evidence, even though investigators are still convinced of his guilt.

"We may have to close the file anyway"
But a few weeks after Brückner came into the picture as the prime suspect, and a breakthrough finally appeared to have been made in the case that has fascinated the world for more than a decade, German researchers are now slowing down. "We have to be realistic, and realize that this investigation may not lead to a formal charge for the murder of Madeleine McCann. We may have to close the file if we don't find the missing evidence,” prosecutor Wolters warned Thursday in the Braunschweiger Zeitung newspaper . “I cannot currently predict the outcome of our research. We remain convinced of the suspect's guilt, and we are exploring new avenues that we hope will give new impetus to the investigation.”

Time is running out
Time is running out now: Brückner is currently serving a 21-month prison sentence in a prison in Kiel, Germany, for drug smuggling, but is eligible for parole. That could already be the case next week, if the lawsuit brought by the man's lawyers before the German Federal Court falls in his favor.

However, in December, Brückner was also found guilty of the brutal rape of a 72-year-old American woman in 2005, and sentenced to seven years in prison. However, as long as the appeal procedure against that conviction is pending, his sentence is not final. According to Brückner's lawyers, the German government abused the European arrest warrant by having their client extradited for his drug conviction and subsequently charged him with the rape. A judgment in that case before the European Court of Justice is expected on July 17.

etc.

Duitse onderzoekers nemen gas terug: “Mogelijk kunnen we verdachte van moord op Madeleine McCann niet aanklagen”

I would imagine that IF he gets parole and is released or serves the 7 years, it certainly won't be pretty for him on the outside now!
Just hope he doesn't get given a new identity now he's had his mug splashed all over the world

 

[leticiaoliveira]

Former lead detective in Madeleine McCann case claims Portuguese police did an 'excellent job'

He seems delusional at this point.

 

[sleuth-d-]

I suspect the information you are after is difficult to attain as it's clouded by Germany's privacy laws. From what I can establish he served 2 months in Evora, Portugal for theft in 1999. He was then extradited back to Germany to supposedly serve out the 2 year youth sentence he had fled but it gets hazy at this point regarding what actually happened.

Given it is claimed he lived in the farmhouse continually from 1999 to 2006, it seems unlikely he spent any length of time serving a sentence in Germany, how would he have paid the rent? The following quote is from the Independent -

"It is unclear if he served any time in prison, or what exactly the two-year juvenile sentence consisted of."

Madeleine McCann suspect 'had moved to Portugal to flee prison sentence' in Germany

Regarding the 2017 extradition and sentence, I've seen conflicting reports. The Inews article says -

"Der Spiegel reported he was extradited from Portugal in 2017 and initially convicted of drug trafficking."

https://inews.co.uk/news/christian-...pect-german-new-case-prison-latest-434184/amp

But the Guardian article states -

"In June 2017 he was arrested again and returned to Germany for a sentence of 15 months in prison for the sexual abuse of a child. After his release from prison, he found himself homeless and said he felt persecuted by the police who followed his every move, even as he slept on a park bench, he said."

This version is backed up in the timeline in the following Daily Mail article.

June 2017: He heads back to Portugal and extradited again to Germany. The reason was a sentencing of the Braunschweig district court to 15 months' imprisonment for the sexual abuse of a child.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner WILL remain in jail

Interestingly, in the same Daily Mail article it also says the following -

"He moved from Germany to the Portuguese coastal town in 1995 after serving part of a two-year sentence for molesting a six-year-old girl in Wurzburg."

This implies he served some of the 2 year youth sentence before fleeing to Portugal. I'm guessing it was more like some kind of community sentence if he was able to flee part way through. Would explain then maybe a short sentence when he was extradited back in 1999 before reurning "very soon after" to Portugal which a number of news reports state he did.

Many thanks.
How to deal with those conflicting reports!
I was wondering where those youth institutions and adult prisons were, to see if the locations were of interest. And talking of conflicting reports, it seems the link with missing Inga mentioned in the Telegraph may be tenuous.

 

[tedtink]

He seems delusional at this point.

It irritates me how this man is still given airtime, perpetuating his Inspector Clousaeu theories.

 

[MENDEL]

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If you don’t have ID channel, you can watch through amazon?

I don't think so. That's a paid channel?

 

[tedtink]

Phone call could potentially be from a middle person.
Call or message to them, then they relay message on to CB.

It may have just been an innocent phone call, catch up with a friend, and be totally unrelated.

 

[MENDEL]

It may have just been an innocent phone call, catch up with a friend, and be totally unrelated.

Problem here is that CB lived nearby PDL, in an area covered by its antenna. So a call wouldn't be that strange. Much more info is needed to make it suspect.

It wouldn't be the same if he lived in Greece and had a call logged in PDL in the night MM disappeared.

 

[Dlk79]

It may have just been an innocent phone call, catch up with a friend, and be totally unrelated.

Part of me thinks is quite likely. If it was some sinister call between an accomplice, why would it take 30 minutes? Thinking logically, the calls we make that take that length of time are between people we are close to emotionally.

There were reports right from the start about further calls made from CB's number in PDL around the time yet no appeal was made on those. I suspect the whole purpose of the appeal is to prove the phone was in CB's hands just prior to the abduction and they believe this call was from someone not directly involved, someone who they are hoping would come forward as opposed to an accomplice who is likely to keep their mouth shut.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I think LE just want to confirm that it was Christian using his phone at that time, not a friend of Christian’s on Christian’s phone.

 

[MENDEL]

Part of me thinks is quite likely. If it was some sinister call between an accomplice, why would it take 30 minutes? Thinking logically, the calls we make thay take that length of time are between people we are close to emotionally.

There were reports right from the start about further calls made from CB's number in PDL around the time yet no appeal was made on those. I suspect the whole purpose of the appeal is to prove the phone was in CB's hands just prior to the abduction and they believe this call was from someone not directly involved, someone who they are hoping would come forward as opposed to an accomplice who is likely to keep their mouth shut.

I fully agree. 30 minutes are calls between close persons. I don't imagine criminal doing 30min. plans by mobile as everybody knows that's a fragile way that can be traced. Such long plans are more likely to be done in person. Also, remember that as it can be deducted from news, that incoming call couldn't be located, it means it didn't originate in PDL or it would have been logged, too.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I wonder if the unknown Portuguese mobile number matched the one Cindy and Alan Thompson gave Leicestershire police for Raymond Hewlett?

I would hope not, because I would hope the number had been logged in such a way that British police knew they had it for future use. But if I were a journalist, or if I were Cindy or Alan, I think I would want to double check.