Magnotta March Prelim Hearing & Trial Day 1 - Sep 29, 2014 - Thread #1

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sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
Bag 6 had tape, paint, sunglasses, blue latex glove, green paper that said Luka Rocco

@MontgomerySue · 38s38 seconds ago
Hamelin listing what was found in each garbage bag. We've heard about most things: paint, latex gloves etc

@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
Hamelin, reading from personal notes, listed items found in 6 garbage bags. After finding torso, they were looking for other parts

MontgomerySue · 59s59 seconds ago
Crown filing into evidence copies of papers that were found in the garbage. Some with name Luka Rocca

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Papers were held together with a paper clip, Hamelin said

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Bag 6 also had black and red felt markers

@sleeCJAD · 37s38 seconds ago
Bag 7 had wet, soapy shower curtain, two knives, scissors, with red stains in it, empty bottle of soap, blue gloves

@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
Bag 8 had garbage, food and plaster. Bag 9 had same

@sleeCJAD · 26s26 seconds ago
Next bag 9 had laptop, camera, coat, personal papers

@MontgomerySue · 23s23 seconds ago
Found wet soapy shower curtain, scissors, two knives, soap bottle, camera, laptop, cellphone, Hamelin says

@amyminsky · 50s50 seconds ago
The sixth bag had a piece of paper with "Luka Rocco Magnotta 1982/07/24" on it. The electric devices were all in 10th bag

@WoodsAllan · 1m1 minute ago
Bag 10 contained a camera, cell phone, laptop, jacket and personal papers, says homicide detective

@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Bag 11, 12, 13, 14=garbage. Bag 15 had footless leg, two blue gloves, khaki pants, black underwear, purple hoodie
 
MontgomerySue · 46s47 seconds ago
Found purple hoodie, white bloody T-shirt, bill from Pizza Pizza dated May 25, 2012 (day Lin Jun was killed)

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Also black sweatshirt, bloodied white Tshirt, different papers, yellow tshirt.

sleeCJAD · 21s22 seconds ago
Bag 15 divided in two:second bag inside had footless leg, possibly the left leg.Bag 16,blood streamed out, bed&mattress covering

sleeCJAD · 31s32 seconds ago
Next bag had surgical gloves, shoes, lighter, hairspray, unopened package of rice, 2black coats,Kleenex box,Can Post mailing box

sleeCJAD · 43s44 seconds ago
Also Opus card and Mastercard

@amyminsky · 45s45 seconds ago
A lot of this we saw in pictures presented Monday and Tuesday. I'm trying just to disseminate the new information

@sleeCJAD · 36s37 seconds ago
Bag 18: hammer, screwdriver, mini electric saw/grinder, retractable dog leash, another bag with a dead black puppy

sleeCJAD · 38s39 seconds ago
Dog autopsy? No. No apparent injuries. But left behind in garbage
 
@MandelSun · 59s59 seconds ago
#Magnotta certainly didn't try to hide what he had done, dumping bloody items with his i.d., in his apt. building garbage.

@MontgomerySue · 43s43 seconds ago
Found leg without a foot, two arms without hands, Hamelin said

WoodsAllan · 31s32 seconds ago
Bag 19: A leg without foot, two arms without hands

sleeCJAD · 49s50 seconds ago
Bag 19=garbage. Bag 20=leg with no foot, two arms, no hands. Next few bags, negative.

@amyminsky · 48s49 seconds ago
Hamelin once she saw the video, she grabbed other items from the garbage previously left out — Casablanca poster, wine bottle

MontgomerySue · 39s40 seconds ago
Saw the Casablanca poster in video in garbage as well as wine bottle that was used to sodomize Lin Jun in the video

sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
Witness says heard about the so-called murder video and put two and two together

@MontgomerySue · 50s51 seconds ago
After seeing video, Hamelin went through garbage again to get poster and wine bottle. Concluded crime had been committed

@sleeCJAD · 43s43 seconds ago
Witness says a colleague says was strange that someone was seen in surveillance video someone going to and from the 2nd floor.

@sleeCJAD · 50s50 seconds ago
Building mgr id'd person in video as #Magnotta who became prime suspect.

MontgomerySue · 48s48 seconds ago
in the meantime, police saw someone going in and out of apartment on surveillance video. Victim is suitcase wasn't #Magnotta Hamelin said

MontgomerySue · 39s40 seconds ago
So police had to find out who the trunk belonged to, Hamelin said

@amyminsky · 47s48 seconds ago
Police originally thought perhaps the torso belonged to #Magnotta, on account of the items in the garbage.

sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
First time she saw the surveillance video: June 16.

@amyminsky · 46s47 seconds ago
But then with the surveillance video and the building manager's information, they determined it wasn't #Magnotta.

@sleeCJAD · 49s50 seconds ago
She went into apartment 208 with biologists who recreated the crime scene.

@MontgomerySue · 46s47 seconds ago
Hamelin went into #Magnotta's apartment. It had been completely cleaned up, she said

@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
So #Magnotta became the suspect. The surveillance video showed #Magnotta walking in and out of the apartment.

amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
We are going to look at surveillance videos. There are more than 100 sequences, Hamelin says.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Now going to watch surveillance footage #Magnotta
 
@MontgomerySue · 59s60 seconds ago
#Magnotta took flight to Europe May 26. Hamelin was there to bring him back to Canada

@sleeCJAD · 57s58 seconds ago
She said they found out #Magnotta left for Europe May 26 on Air Transat. She was present when he was brought back from Berlin.

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
On to digital images from surveillance cam at apt. building

@MontgomerySue · 31s32 seconds ago
My focus was on #Magnotta when viewing camera footage, Hamelin said.

amyminsky · 19s19 seconds ago
In the surveillance video taken between May 24 and 26 , Hamelin is looking to see if #Magnotta was alone, what he was doing, she says.

CTVBeauchemin · 30s30 seconds ago
Now jury watching surveillance footage from cameras at building where #magnotta

sleeCJAD · 40s40 seconds ago
First image of front door of building

@MandelSun · 20s20 seconds ago
Now seeing footage from #Magnotta building, looking at entry door, Magnotta at apt mail boxes in white T shirt and dark pants

@sleeCJAD · 18s18 seconds ago
Next: #Magnotta walking to mail boxes

MontgomerySue · 49s50 seconds ago
First time we see #Magnotta is May 24 at 9:32 pm, as he goes to mail box in apt building, he goes out front door

@amyminsky · 48s49 seconds ago
The first camera angle we're looking at was from outside, pointing toward the front doors. You can also see the emergency exit

@sleeCJAD · 41s42 seconds ago
10:16 pm, #JunLin arriving with #Magnotta.

@Brige_Noel · 40s41 seconds ago
The jurors are now watching security footage obtained from #Magnotta's apt building. We see the accused entering the building with Jun Lin

@MontgomerySue · 37s38 seconds ago
At 10:20 pm. #Magnotta and Lin Jun are seen going through the front entrance into the building
 
MandelSun · 30s30 seconds ago
Thin, saunters, that was May 24 at (:32 p.m. Now seeing #Magnotta entering building with Jun Lin at 10:20 p.m

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Next image: #Magnotta and #JunLin arriving at apartments, turning the corner.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
The two men inside building, #Magnotta has plastic bag in his hand. Lin Jun wearing yellow T-shirt, shorts and baseball cap

@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Jun Lin wearing yellow t-shirt we later see in garbage. they are smiling together, now signs of force

sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Next image: #Magnotta leaving building alone 2:06 am, May 25. Dressed differently

Brige_Noel · 1m1 minute ago
Both men are about the same height, build. Jun Lin wears a baseball cap, yellow t-shirt. #Magnotta wears a white t-shirt, track pants

@amyminsky · 48s49 seconds ago
Jun Lin arrived at 2216 wearing a baseball cap and yellow tee.#Magnotta in white. Magnotta later seen leaving in yellow T

@MontgomerySue · 58s59 seconds ago
#Magnotta comes back into building a 2:13 am

SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
At 2.06 am #Magnotta is seen leaving the building. Alone.

SGirouxCTV · 50s51 seconds ago
And he's wearing Jun Lin's t-shirt

@MandelSun · 41s42 seconds ago
Then see #Magnotta leave alone at 2:06 a.m. wearing different shirt. Comes back in a few minutes later, and checks himself out in mirror

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Next shows #Magnotta coming back into lobby. 2:13 am. Carrying a plastic bag. Checks himself out in mirror.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Court shown view of apt lobby, #Magnotta enters, looks in mirror and fixes his hair

@MandelSun · 56s57 seconds ago
#Magnotta strikes creepy model pose, wearing Jun Lin's yellow shirt

@SGirouxCTV · 54s54 seconds ago
We're now looking at basement camera, near garbage area
 
sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
2:47 am. Image shows barrel bins. #Magnotta walks in, puts something in them.

@SGirouxCTV · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta can be seen dumping stuff in garbage at 4 am

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
We're now in the basement of #Magnotta's apt and see garbage barrels. 2:47 am May 25. Magnotta puts something in garbage. again at 4:02am

@sleeCJAD · 44s45 seconds ago
4:02 am. #Magnotta seen putting big bags into bins. Also throwing away pizza box

@WoodsAllan · 1m1 minute ago
4:02am-basement surveillance tape shoes more gabage deposited as well as Pizza Pizza box later found in garbage

MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
That was the PizzaPizza box that corresponds with receipt police found in garbage from Pizza Pizza

@MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
Video from basement at 2:47 a.m. as #Magnotta, wearing Juin Lin shirt, makes several trips emptying small receptacles into garbage drums

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
4:09 am. #Magnotta throwing away wine bottles.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
At 4:09 am #Magnotta throwing several wine bottles in recycling. police didn't search it cause had already been taken away

sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
4:22 am.#Magnotta throwing away more bags.

MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta recycles pizza pizza box nand wine bottles, runs his hands through his hair.

SGirouxCTV · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta throws more stuff in the garbage in the building's basement

@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
4:26 am. #Magnotta throwing away small parcel

@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta pitching pillows in garbage barrels. 4:26 am throws more stuff out. Keeps fixing hair which looks like a wig

@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
4:30 am #Magnotta throwing away big bag

MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
4:31 am more stuff in garbage
 
@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
We're back up at the entrance at 4:35 am. Out goes #Magnotta with puppy in his hands. then back inside at 4:37

@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
#Magnotta seen coming back with black puppy. He left with the dog too. 4:37 am

@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
He is seen leaving apt building, weird wig on his head. taking his puppy out and then returns. Dog later found dead in garbage

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
At 6:07 am on May 25, janitor from building is seen in basement, taking out recycling

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Next images from the Friday show Michael Nadeau the janitor taking out the garbage

Brige_Noel · 1m1 minute ago
Later, footage from building's basement shows #Magnotta bringing down garbage bag after garbage bag, for hours. He is dressed differently.

MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Janitor, not knowing the horror he is transporting, is seen taking garbage out of basement

sleeCJAD · 29s29 seconds ago
#Magnotta seen leaving the building alone. 7:43 am. Looks at himself in the mirror.

@MontgomerySue · 30s30 seconds ago
At 7:43 am on May 25, #Magnotta leaves building wearing cap like the one Lin Jun was wearing the night before.

@sleeCJAD · 50s50 seconds ago
8:48 am. #Magnotta returns. Carrying a big suitcase.

MontgomerySue · 17s17 seconds ago
At 8:48 am #Magnotta comes back into the building carrying a suitcase which looks like the one in which the torso was found

@MontgomerySue · 23s23 seconds ago
The yellow T-shirt was found in the garbage; the baseball cap was seized when #Magnotta was arrested in Berlin
 
@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
9:08 am. #Magnotta looks at himself in the mirror before leaving the building. Returns a few secs later

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
At 9:08 am #Magnotta leaves building again in striped tank top, sun glasses, a bag over his shoulder

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta returns a few seconds later, 9:10 am

@sleeCJAD · 51s51 seconds ago
1:32 pm. #Magnotta leaves the building. Another camera angle shows him checking mail box first.

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
2:14 pm. #Magnotta returns to the building

@MontgomerySue · 24s24 seconds ago
At 1:33 pm #Magnotta heading out of the building in striped tank top, sunglasses. At 2:17 pm he is back carrying plastic Jean Coutu bag

@sleeCJAD · 36s37 seconds ago
2:17 pm. #Magnotta comes back with big Jean Coutu bag. Wearing striped red, blue, white tank top

@MandelSun · 36s37 seconds ago
He returns to basement garbage room in different shirt to throw out armloads of clothes

MontgomerySue · 49s49 seconds ago
At 6:31 pm pizza is delivered to his apartment

@sleeCJAD · 26s26 seconds ago
6:30 pm.Pizza delivery man arrives. Leaves two minutes later. #Magnotta leaves 6:51 pm with big Jean Coutu bag

Brige_Noel · 37s37 seconds ago
A lot of coming & going, many outfit changes for #Magnotta in hours after Jun Lin was allegedly killed. He walks calmly, slowly.

sleeCJAD · 29s29 seconds ago
7:29 pm. #Magnotta returns to apt. building

@sleeCJAD · 22s23 seconds ago
In these images, #Magnotta is carrying a small Jean Coutu bag

@MontgomerySue · 29s29 seconds ago
Lots of people sitting on front steps of #Magnotta apt and he has to step between them to get in. He leaves again 9 pm carrying full bags

sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
9:00 pm. #Magnotta leaves and comes back shortly after
 
@sleeCJAD · 52s53 seconds ago
9:53 pm. #Magnotta throwing away armful of clothes. He's changed again, wearing white tshirt and baseball cap.

@MontgomerySue · 45s45 seconds ago
At 9:53 pm May 25 we see #Magnotta saunter into basement and put things in garbage. Reads piece of paper before pitching it

MontgomerySue · 49s49 seconds ago
at 10:14 pm he comes out of elevator pulling suitcase on its wheels and goes outside

@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
10:14 pm. #Magnotta seen leaving building pulling big rolling suitcase. Seen hefting it down the stairs in another camera angle.

MandelSun · 57s57 seconds ago
#Magnotta seen dragging heavy suitcase stuffed with Jun Lin torso through lobby and out the door at 10:14 p.m. May 25, 2012

@amyminsky · 36s37 seconds ago
22:16 of May 25, #Magnotta is seen taking elevator and pulling a suitcase. Hamelin says this is the only time she saw him take the elevator.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta doesn't seem rushed or nervous at all as he goes about his business. Suitcase goes clunk, clunk, clunk down three steps

sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta seen dragging suitcase out the building doors down the little steps. Two minutes later, he comes back

@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
That's it for the May 25 videos.

@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta strolls back in building, still wearing baseball cap, at 10:17 pm. And that's all for today. Back Monday

sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Court is adjourned until Monday. Judge wishes the jury rest and a good weekend

Brige_Noel · 1m1 minute ago
We're wrapping up for the week. #Magnotta trial resumes Monday at 9:30 a.m

@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
That's it for today. We have more video to go through as the Crown continues with investigator Hamelin's chief testimony
 
Kamille & Silly Billy a very big

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I can see that Magnotta very definitely has a mental disorder, Personality Disorder I can see, but he seems to be very organized with everything he does and I don't see someone with schizoprenia or psychosis being that organized and being able to plan with such attention to detail. Here is another article from Christie Blatchford:
Often, he looked back at the mirror as he headed out the front door to the sidewalk — sometimes carrying bags with things inside that were red with Mr. Lin’s blood — to catch a glimpse of his butt in the mirror.

(When I first saw these same videos at the preliminary hearing in 2013, the line that sprang to mind then was, “Does my *advertiser censored** look fat in these body parts?” Mr. Magnotta, of course, said no such thing, but, as with the whistling, he might as well have: He was that jaunty.)
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-mirror-as-he-carted-body-parts-to-the-trash/
 
The Axis II diagnoses are pretty clear to me IMO ( non professional but work in the field) but being actually mentally ill with a chemical imbalance....hard to say.
 
There are somethings which are bothering me with this trial. Everything bugs me but if you look at the first note he sent
the writing is very different than the other three.

Also the grinder looks very much intact. No blood, and still has a twist tie on it. Either he was extremely meticulous and wrapped it back up including the twist tie but who would do that in a hurry?

I really do not want to go here, but the deceased dog is not the puppy in the video.

Billy I know you are the expert on this.
Can you do a timeline from what we know?
 
i have a little timeline from 2012, added the new info. If it is incomplete, please tell.


Tue, 15 May: LM advertises murder video on the internet

Thu, 24 May: 05:00 pm: JL last seen
09:00 pm: JL sends last text message to his friend
09:32 pm: LM leaves apt building
10:16 pm: JL & LM walk into apt building

Fri, 25 May: 02:06 am: LM leaves apt alone in red wig (for 7 minutes)
02:13 am: LM comes back in building, carries plastic bag
02:47 am: LM makes several trips emptying small receptacles into garbage drums
04:02 am: LM puts bags into bins
04:09 am: LM thowing away wine bottles
04:22 am: LM throwing away bags
04:26 am: LM throwing away small parcel
04:30 am: LM throwing away big bag
04:35 am: LM leaves with puppy (for 2 minutes)
04:37 am: LM comes back with puppy
07:43 am: LM leaves building (for 1 hour, 5 minutes)
08:48 am: LM returns with suitcase
09:08 am: LM leaves building (for 2 minutes)
09:10 am: LM returns
09:15 am: video uploaded (?)
01:32 pm: LM leaves (for 42 minutes)
02:14 pm: LM returns with drugstore bag
06:31 pm: Pizza is delivered to LMs apt
06:51 pm: LM leaves with Jean Coutu drugstore bag (for 38 minutes)
07:29 pm: LM returns
09:00 pm: LM leaves, comes back shorty after
09:53 pm: LM thowing away clothes in basement
10:14 pm: LM taking suitcase out
10:17 pm: LM back into building

(Somewhere in between, he must have taken the rest of the body parts out to mail them, and also he must have left with head at some point. Also he was at the post office in Côte-des-Neiges, but I dont remember where I got that info from, as its from 2012.)


Sat, 26 May: Before midnight LM took the Air Transat flight 610 to Paris at Montreal’s Trudeau airport
Sun, 27 May: Flight laned at Charles de Gaulle airport at 12.10,
in the evening LM knocked at random door, asked to come in for party
Mon, 28 May: LM was seen at Clichy-la-Garenne district with friend
Tue, 29 May: LM was seen at Clichy-la-Garenne district with friend,
10:00 am: Torso was found in Montreal
11.15 am: Foot and hand were found in Ottawa, foot for the conservative party, hand for the liberal party
Wed, 30 May: LM was seen at Le Petit Batignolles that night, spent night in a nearby Hotel des Batignolles
Thu, 31 May: LM spent night in a hotel in Bagnolet (east of Paris)
Fri, 1 June: LM took the bus to Berlin at 19.30
Sat, 2 June: LM arrived in Berlin at 09.15
Sun, 3 June: LM stayed with a friend in Karl-Marx-Strasse
Mon, 4 June: LM was arrested in the afternoon
Tue, 5 June: Hand arrived at False Creek Elementary School, foot arrived at St. George's private school for boys, both in Vancouver.
Sun, 1 July: Head was found at 4pm on the shore of the lake in Montreal's Park Angrignon
 
There are somethings which are bothering me with this trial. Everything bugs me but if you look at the first note he sent
the writing is very different than the other three.

Also the grinder looks very much intact. No blood, and still has a twist tie on it. Either he was extremely meticulous and wrapped it back up including the twist tie but who would do that in a hurry?

I really do not want to go here, but the deceased dog is not the puppy in the video.

Billy I know you are the expert on this.
Can you do a timeline from what we know?
what makes you think the dog is not the same dog in the video?
 
The puppy in the video is a very small black and white Boston Terrier mix.
There is a recent picture that was put into evidence that has him holding a dog...sorry, I do not have a link...but this puppy is
mostly white, much bigger and looks like a Jack Russell.
 
The puppy in the video is a very small black and white Boston Terrier mix.
There is a recent picture that was put into evidence that has him holding a dog...sorry, I do not have a link...but this puppy is
mostly white, much bigger and looks like a Jack Russell.

I know what picture you're referring to, but I don't believe anyone ever claimed the dog in that photo and the dog used in the video are the same. The dog found in the trash was described as small and black with white paws - exactly what was seen in the video. The picture you are referring to was taken several months before the murder, I believe.
 
suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2h 2 hours ago

I've made an executive decision not to tweet gory photos from #Magnotta #trial. Don't think it's necessary, do you?


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago

We're still waiting for the jury as lawyers and judge discuss legal issues #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

Jury is in. On stand is Claudette Hamlin, Sgt-Detective in #Magnotta case


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

We're looking at surveillance video footage again from #Magnotta's Decarie Blvd apartment


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 7m 7 minutes ago

reminder that last week we saw 24 hours of footage of the hours after Lin Jun's death #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 5m 5 minutes ago

May 26, 2014, 5:28 am #Magnotta carrying garbage bags out the front door of building and carefully closing door behind him


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 5m 5 minutes ago

#Magnotta wearing jeans, green T-shirt and cap Lin Jun was wearing when he first came into apt on May 24


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

In the basement now, #Magnotta dropping things in garbage barrels, and carefully lowering lid


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

Cap is now off, and #Magnotta wearing a wig, which he smooths often with his hands


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago

Leaves building at 6:35 a.m; back at 9:23. Walks past people sitting on front steps of building #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago

And out he goes again at 11:11 a.m #magnotta #busyguy


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago

and he's back.4:25 p.m. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 55s 55 seconds ago

Guy passes him at front door and stares at #Magnotta who is wearing sunglasses and dark wig
 
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