Malaysia airlines 370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #25

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watcher9 said:
When they were mapping the area, I understood they were using some kind of sonar like equipment that would bounce some kind of reflection off from anything on the sea floor. They would then calculate the depth and eventually a relief of what the bottom looked like. Would that work something like a fish finder??
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I'm no expert on this subject, but that's my impression, yes -- the system works very much like a fish finder, except that it produces images with much higher resolution... enough, presumably, to reveal wreckage on the sea floor. I'm not aware of an anomalous finding in previous mapping... sounds interesting! if it's not too much trouble and you can remember where you saw that, could you please provide a source?
 
SouthAussie said:
In searching for MH370, the ship was tasked to scour areas including the Strait of Malacca, Sunda Strait, west of Indonesia and south of the Indian Ocean. It travelled 22,371 nautical miles and traverse more than 240,000 square km of waters. According to the China Maritime Search and Rescue Centre, its crew was unyielding despite severe weather conditions at sea. They remained responsible and diligent with their duty, utilising the technologies, deep-water equipment and satellites in search of the missing flight. [/url]
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My heart goes out to this vessel's captain and crew. Time and again, they were sent off on a wild goose chase due to the Malaysian authorities' confusion and incompetence. I can only imagine how they must have struggled with morale. On top of that, they were sent, finally, to the southern Indian Ocean, which is one of the roughest, if not THE roughest ocean on the planet.
 
Bryan9 said:
I'm no expert on this subject, but that's my impression, yes -- the system works very much like a fish finder, except that it produces images with much higher resolution... enough, presumably, to reveal wreckage on the sea floor. I'm not aware of an anomalous finding in previous mapping... sounds interesting! if it's not too much trouble and you can remember where you saw that, could you please provide a source?
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I didn't provide a link since I thought I had read it here and you would have surely remembered it. It was an article toward the end of the mapping. Seems like the title mentioned an unusual shape that did not fit in with the surroundings. It was not believed to be the plane though I wondered if it could have been a piece of it. Maybe someone else can remember. Now, I'm off to see if I can find it.
 
After more than a week of sea trials, a new search vessel is on its way to the MH370 search zone, thousands of kilometres off the coast of Western Australia.

The Fugro Discovery left Perth today on a six-day journey to the southern part of the MH370 search zone.

The ship is carrying a so-called towfish, which will scan thousands of kilometres of the seabed of the Southern Indian Ocean with sonar beams emitted from its sides. A multi-beam system will scan directly under the device.

Although the search has already begun in the northern parts of the potential crash zone, the survey of the ocean floor is still underway. It is due to finish in the coming weeks.

The Fugro Discovery can spend about two weeks scanning the area before it has to return to shore.

Fremantle port will be the staging place for the search ships.

Already searching the area, but now on the way to Fremantle is the GO Phoenix, which has scanned more than 670 kilometres of its assigned area.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...h-fugro-discovery-embarks-mission-scan-seabed
 
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MALAYSIA has revealed it has spent just a fraction of what Australia has paid in the search for missing flight MH370, as officials from both countries prepare to meet to discuss the next phase of the mission.

Officials from Malaysia are expected in Canberra today for talks, including discussions around funding for the operation to find the Malaysia Airlines jet, which disappeared on March 8 and which is believed to have crashed into the Indian Ocean.

The Australian government has set aside almost $90 million for the search — expected to be the most expensive in aviation history — but it’s possible that figure could increase.

The head of the joint task force charged with finding MH370, Angus Houston, said discussions around the next phase of the search would include negotiations with Malaysia over the cost of the search.

“The government has allocated $89.9 million. I think about $25 million of that is to go the defence force for the visual search they conducted,’’ former defence force chief Air Chief Marshal Houston told the ABC.

“There’s another $60 million that’s been allocated for the underwater search.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-airlines-flight/story-e6frg95x-1226949216245
 
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MALAYSIA has revealed it has spent just a fraction of what Australia has paid in the search for missing flight MH370, as officials from both countries prepare to meet to discuss the next phase of the mission.

Officials from Malaysia are expected in Canberra today for talks, including discussions around funding for the operation to find the Malaysia Airlines jet, which disappeared on March 8 and which is believed to have crashed into the Indian Ocean.

The Australian government has set aside almost $90 million for the search — expected to be the most expensive in aviation history — but it’s possible that figure could increase.

The head of the joint task force charged with finding MH370, Angus Houston, said discussions around the next phase of the search would include negotiations with Malaysia over the cost of the search.

“The government has allocated $89.9 million. I think about $25 million of that is to go the defence force for the visual search they conducted,’’ former defence force chief Air Chief Marshal Houston told the ABC.

“There’s another $60 million that’s been allocated for the underwater search.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-airlines-flight/story-e6frg95x-1226949216245
 
Our Prime Minister is being called to account …. why did he feel confident that the MH370 black boxes had been located, back in April, when no-one seems to have informed him of that? And when no-one else was confident of that, they were just hopeful?

A Senate hearing is attempting to establish why Australia’s prime minister said in April that he was ‘very confident’ pings were coming from the black box.

Tony Abbott received no official briefing from his department or special envoy suggesting they were confident early acoustic noises detected in the search for the missing flight MH370 were from the flight’s black box.

“I’m asking where it came from since his chief envoy clearly clarified later in the day to say there was no breakthrough, Amsa [the Australian Maritime Safety Authority] said they didn’t provide the information to the prime minister, the bureau of transport and safety says it didn’t provide the advice to the prime minister, so I’m just trying to find out where the prime minister got this from,” she said. “It was pretty reckless, surely, to go and make a statement like that if there’s no detailed analysis at all of the substance.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h370-search-had-found-black-box-senators-told
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Just noticed this comment by Ben Sandilands...

As regular readers will know, I’ve treated the official narratives plural from the Malaysia authorities as unreliable. I’ve leaned to the personal view that the jet was diverted for criminal reasons from its flight path, that there may have been unauthorised access to the E/E bay under the floor behind the cockpit,and that somewhere north of Sumatra and quite early in the total duration of the flight, the execution of any such plot was overtaken by a mishap that ended in the long flight to oblivion in the south Indian Ocean.
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This week's operational update from the JACC .....

"Over 1,200 square kilometres of the seafloor have been searched so far.

Fugro Discovery departed Fremantle early on 15 October to conduct sea trials, following which it began its transit to the search area. Underwater search operations are estimated to commence on 22 October.

Over the next four days, sea states in the area assigned to Fugro Discovery are expected to range from 1 to 4, providing good conditions for the search.

The ATSB continues to receive messages from members of the public who have found material washed up on the Australian coastline and think it may be wreckage or debris from MH370. The ATSB reviews all of this correspondence carefully, but drift modelling undertaken by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority has suggested that if there were any floating debris, it is far more likely to have travelled west, away from the coastline of Australia. It is possible that some materials may have drifted to the coastline of Indonesia, and an alert has been issued in that country, requesting that the authorities be alerted to any possible debris from the aircraft."

http://www.jacc.gov.au/families/operational_reports/opsearch-update-20141022.aspx
 
SouthAussie said:
Our Prime Minister is being called to account …. why did he feel confident that the MH370 black boxes had been located, back in April, when no-one seems to have informed him of that? And when no-one else was confident of that, they were just hopeful?
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IMO, those sounds heard were from the black boxes as they were dying.
 
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Missing flight MH370: Malaysian defence minister confident missing plane will be found (ABC -Australia)

The quality of the data that we're getting from this sonar is very high," he said. "That gives us a high degree of confidence that if we go over the aircraft debris field while we're out there, we will be able to detect it."

Ben Sandiland (Plane Talking blog) on this article, BBM:

"It is to be regretted that the ABC didn’t have the guts at today’s tame bit of froth and babble to tackle the Malaysia defence minister Hishammuddin Hussein over his revealing two month’s later that Malaysia mislead the world as to what it knew about the disappearance of the jet and its 239 passengers on 8 March.

"Then again the ABC couldn’t even spell the minister’s name correctly. The appropriate ice breaker questions at today’s event should have included asking whether China’s departure from the scene is a sign of its disgust with the Malaysian conduct of the inquiry and search for which it is responsible, and reminding its defence minister that the president and CEO of Emirates doesn’t believe Malaysia is telling the truth about the flight’s disappearance.

"The disquiet over MH370 won’t end with the finding of its wreckage. There is a respectable view that it’s a race between recovering important clues from the bottom of the Indian Ocean, and various intelligence bodies deciding to disclose more as to what they know."
 
The cynic in me is somewhat bothered by the fact that the Malaysian govt is going to film 30 days of the search from the GO Phoenix, using staff from the govt-owned Radio Television Malaysia.

I don't know why it bothers me. Maybe because it all seems like a PR exercise. Maybe because what Malaysia has actually done in the search is so little. Maybe because they keep taking credit, within their own country, for things that my own country - and China, and others - is doing/has done. I dunno .... :dunno:

It doesn't matter, in the big picture, it is just a little irksome (and petty of me, I know ... :floorlaugh:)


He said two journalists from the Malaysian national television station, Radio Television Malaysia (RTM), would cover a month-long search mission on board the vessel.

RTM’s senior journalist Awaludin Abdul Ghani, 51, and cameraman Abdul Halim Mohd Yusof, 44, will be on board the GO Phoenix, which is equipped with sophisticated underwater detector vehicles called ‘Prosas’, to provide a 30-day news coverage.

The vessel will join the search operations of Malaysia-Australia contracted ships, Fugro Discovery and Fugro Equator.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/278261
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This article infers that Angus Houston is no longer chief coordinator of the JACC ... I know that they pulled him away for the MH17 tragedy. Perhaps he'll be back. We were told earlier that Judith Zielke was just standing in for him.


"The Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) is steadfast in its belief that the missing Flight MH370 is in the southern Indian Ocean despite earlier false leads, said new chief coordinator Judith Zielke.

JACC, pointed out Zielke, had been set up as a single point of contact for families and the public to understand where the search was currently at.

“I think we have made best efforts in providing honest and open information to everybody that has asked about the search and as best as we can,” she said.

Zielke said dealing with the next of kin often meant providing them with an opportunity to ask their questions in a quiet location.

“We are meeting with the Voice 370 group again this afternoon (yesterday). I know we can’t help to give them closure but we do want to make sure that they have the opportunity to have the answers that we can give them,” she said."

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...JACC-maintains-its-there-despite-false-leads/
 
"Des Ross, a pilot and air traffic management specialist with 35 years experience, wrote in Australia-based Aviation Business that there are several recordings that would shed light on the first four hours of Flight MH370 going missing.

While the Malaysian government has released the recording between the pilot and air traffic control (ATC) which do not appear to be out of the ordinary, more vital is the communication recording between the military and civil ATC on their response to the missing aircraft.

"There is another recording of the communications between the military air defence officer who was tracking the 'unknown' aircraft and anyone else he talked to.

"There would definitely be a recording of any conversation between him and the civil air traffic controller in the KL control centre, if they did in fact talk to each other. If they did not talk to each other in these circumstances I would call it criminal negligence."

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/278569


Interesting article .... particularly in light of an incident that happened just this week between a small Aussie aircraft and Indonesia. (Obviously the Indonesian air force is not the Malaysian air force .. but still.)

The Indonesian air force has used two of its new Russian built fighter jets to intercept an Australian plane that had violated its airspace.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-...ghter-jets-intercept-australian-plane/5833960
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link from above post


''"We have also been told that the military determined that it was a civil aircraft and, therefore, of no concern to them.

"Frankly, that is absolute rubbish either way you look at it," he said, adding that every country maintains surveillance of its airspace.

Under international norms, he said the RMAF would have contacted the civil ATC to help identify the unkown aircraft or vice versa."

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/278569

this wee simple factoid has been bothering us ''little'' peeps from day one JMO
 
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