Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #10

[popsicle]

Yeah, and I think Wolf Blizter is just one breath away from bringing up UFO's as a cause. He's entertained just about every other theory under the sun. If somebody suggested that a bunch of gang-bangers out of L.A. had stolen it, Wolf would have a panel of "experts" to discuss the possibility.

My Dad is retired CIA. He didn't want to discuss this but he did say he hates CNN. :floorlaugh:

 

[Bravo]

It doesn’t seem very logical (to me) that a fire that killed the crew wouldn’t knock out the auto-pilot, and would allow the plane to continue flying for another 6 hours.

I agree

 

[Waddles]

I didn’t see an answer to this, but those are just computer parts. :laughitup:

Specifically a motherboard, a power supply, what looks to be at least one fan assembly, graphics cards, and the two smaller boxes are too small for me to tell.

In other words, significant only because he was a geek, and not a red flag of any kind, unless you’re also going to profile the other billion geeks out there who like to build systems in their spare time. :laughitup:

I think a lot of people are focusing on the flight simulator because it’s so far out of the realm of anything they could imagine having in their own home (especially those who tend towards luddism). It may yet turn out that he was using his flight sim for nefarious purposes, but the fact that he had one, or that people think he was “obsessed” with flying - isn’t in and of itself significant.

Personally, I’d want my pilot to be “obsessed” with flying. lol

:wagon: Tiepos :Banane06:

 

[hayaletcatcher]

UK offers help in search for plane

http://www.harwichandmanningtreesta...50.UK_offers_help_in_search_for_plane/?ref=nt

Prime Minister David Cameron has telephoned his Malaysian counterpart to offer Britain's help in dealing with the disappearance of Flight MH370.

It was the first direct contact between the two prime ministers since the mystery began, said Mr Cameron's official spokesman.

The spokesman said Mr Cameron did not make specific offers of particular military or civilian assistance that the UK might be able to provide.

"It was very much inviting any specific requests from the Malaysians," he explained. "Prime Minister Najib said he would think about that and let us know if they have any specific requests."

"Prime Minister Najib thanked him for that and they agreed to stay in touch on this issue."

So David Cameron basically had nothing else to do this afternoon. Where as Najib has much better things to be doing than taking that call.

edit- We scramble like mad as Russia often tries it (from 2010 but it happens every year)

RAF crews have now been scrambled 20 times in the past year to intercept Russian aircraft over British airspace, the Ministry of Defence revealed last night.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/raf-catches-russian-bombers-in-uk-airspace-1-796434

 

[ToutCa]

Hi Toutca. Can you explain how you got that the 8:11 ping would be 4 hours flying time away from Maldives? It's probably something really obvious, but I'm not getting it.

Yeah, here's a map analysis showing how far away the Maldives are from the 8:11am satellite ping of MH-370: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10349422&postcount=49"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10349422&postcount=49[/ame].

If the data is correct, the plane just couldn't have made it remotely close to the Maldives.

 

[steelman]

My Dad is retired CIA. He didn't want to discuss this but he did say he hates CNN. :floorlaugh:

My dad is a retired rancher. He hates everybody, including CNN

 

[Waddles]

It doesn’t seem very logical (to me) that a fire that killed the crew wouldn’t knock out the auto-pilot, and would allow the plane to continue flying for another 6 hours.

indeed, and someone quoted an expert earlier saying that a fire would definitely have knocked out the autopilot - I'll try to find

 

[aa9511]

Aggghhh....this is so frustrating!!

Can someone show me the location of Diego Garcia relative to the Maldives?

My lack of technological know-how is really frustrating me!!!

TIA.

 

[popsicle]

Tom Costello ‏@tomcostellonbc 3m
We have new information on #MH370 #MalaysiaAirlines - U-Turn was programmed long BEFORE systems went dark. @nbcnightlynews

https://twitter.com/tomcostellonbc

 

[steelman]

Yeah, here's a map analysis showing how far away the Maldives are from the 8:11am satellite ping of MH-370: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10349422&postcount=49.

If the data is correct, the plane just couldn't have made it remotely close to the Maldives.

And if "If's" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas !

 

[aa9511]

My Dad is retired CIA. He didn't want to discuss this but he did say he hates CNN. :floorlaugh:

So he's given you no theories on the disappearance? Shucks. I would love to pick the brain of a CIA guy or gal right about now.

 

[ToutCa]

With all the bad information and things unknown I personally don't take it as fact that the plane only had X amount of fuel. Maybe it did, but if it is easy to fly with a stolen passport or to not be curious why an unknown plane is showing up on military radar then how hard can it be to get a couple extra hours of fuel in your plane?

Anything is possible, but it's a hell a lot of a lot easier for an anonymous person to buy a stolen passport than a commercial airliner to convince an international airport to pump many tons of extra fuel into a plane without charging the airline for it or keeping a record of where the missing fuel went.

Money, money, money. Passports can be had for pocket change. Jet fuel costs big money and the supplier and airport distributor account for every cubic meter of it because people need to get paid!

 

[gregjrichards]

New Daily Mail article I don't know what to make of this sorry if it has already been posted and discussed.

"A satellite image appears to show the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 in the skies above a jungle.
The image is taken from Tomnod, the map search website currently being used by hundreds of thousands of people in an attempt to search for missing passenger plane, was posted on Reddit on Sunday.
The authenticity of the photo has not yet been verified and the region depicted in the photo is as yet unknown. Intriguingly, the plane appears to have been painted white."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Thailand-tried-stay-radar.html#ixzz2wM9F5K6h

 

[cady]

I'm sorry, but respectfully, no. It's not possible.

The well-meaning villagers just saw a different low-flying plane.

6:15am in the Maldives is 9:15am Malaysian time. The plane, at most, had only enough fuel to fly until about 9:11am Malaysian time.

It had to land or crash at that time of the claimed Maldives sighting.

If it was still in the air then, it was nowhere near the Maldives.

The satellite ping data at 8:11am Malaysian time (5:11am Maldives time) puts the plane FOUR hours flying time away from Maldives with ONE hour of fuel remaining.

The plane could not have been in the Maldives at 6:15am. The sighting is false.

I understand that there was no "data" to receive. No one has any idea of the location of the plane. The plane could well have been in a different time zone than Malaysia. All that can be gleaned from the "handshake" is that the plane seemed to be in the vicinity of the "arc" The "arc" is vast, and is really the only calculation that seems to be relied on. But it is not a sure fire solution to the problem. Maldives DOES seem to be off the beaten path as we have been encouraged to accept, but if the plane has to be strictly on the "arc" then why is the search area SO MUCH LARGER. I suspect, because no one really has any idea where the plane might be. jmo

 

[Isabelle]

Was the keystrokes entered change in flight plan only directional or did it specify a destination? I don't think we have heard.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Yeah, here's a map analysis showing how far away the Maldives are from the 8:11am satellite ping of MH-370: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10349422&postcount=49.

If the data is correct, the plane just couldn't have made it remotely close to the Maldives.

And ToutCa, another few questions (sorry but you seem to have done your homework on the "ping thing"!)...

Is it confirmed that at the 8:11 ping the plane was at 35k feet?
And was it 8:11 Malay time?
And how do they know it was MH370?

 

[Intermezzo]

Tom Costello ‏@tomcostellonbc 3m
We have new information on #MH370 #MalaysiaAirlines - U-Turn was programmed long BEFORE systems went dark. @nbcnightlynews

https://twitter.com/tomcostellonbc

any explanation HOW they know this ?

 

[Waddles]

If there was no ping after they boarded the plane then they probably would have no reason to tell us where the phones were.

This is a reason why they could have flown somewhere and not pinged a cell tower.

One reason for this lack of pinging might be that the passengers all had their phones in airplane mode, and it never occurred to them that something was amiss. If the plane’s final destination was near Kyrgyzstan, it would have landed within an hour of dawn, giving passengers little time to notice that something was wrong with the landscape outside their window—and by the time they did, they might have been over sparsely populated landscape with little cell phone service, and/or at low altitude, where electronic transmissions of any kind would have been hard to detect.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_t...why_didn_t_the_passengers_phone_for_help.html

If there is no tower to ping off from then the phone is useless.

what's the likelihood of them all having it in airplane mode, say like at least 180 phones. I never bother, I usually cheat and keep it on so I can text at the earliest time when we're close to landing

 

[2Hope4]

I'm not expert, not even close, not even familiar with air crafts, haven't ever flown on one.....

HOWEVER, something doesn't make sense. The plane was flying east, took a sharp turn, and started flying west, BUT, by the last satellite 'ping' it was flying east again????? I honestly do NOT believe that 8:11 ping is correct. It doesn't add up. If you intended target was in the east..why not just keep flying that way to begin with? Why fly in a zig zag fashion from east, to west, to east? I personally believe the plane continued flying in a western direction, though it could have went north or south during that....but I don't think it went back east. I believe that ping was either a different plane, or was this plane's earlier flight pattern.

They way the media is describing the route, this plane made more turns than a dog chasing rabbits!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

NBC Nightly News ‏@nbcnightlynews 7m

#MH370’s U-turn was likely programmed into Flight Management System from the cockpit before final automated ACARS data burst, sources say


NBC Nightly News ‏@nbcnightlynews 13m

RT @tomcostellonbc: We have new information on #MH370 #MalaysiaAirlines: U-Turn was programmed long BEFORE systems went dark @nbcnightlynews