Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #11

[CARIIS]

There have been 2,545, theories thus far. Its so odd to me, that the media and the talking heads are not capable of mixing in the possiblity that it can be mixed- by that I mean not only both pilots involved OR both are not?

why cant it be just one of them involved and one a victim or hostage ...

AND! this chronic (which all of us here know is FALSE) there are no runways that can handle the plane

we (WS) have found PLENTY of runways that can handle the triple seven on both landing and takeoff.

 

[Mama_Owl]

According to the passenger list, the Americans are a 51 year old male (his partner has been seen on several TV interviews) and a 2 yr old and 4 yr old who both have Chinese names. It is possible the parents of the children are not American, but the children were born in the States and thus are Americans.

Could two of the passengers have dual citizenship? Or maybe they were living in the us but not citizens?

 

[tambo]

sigh. The Professors name is not Lin Annonm. The Professor is alive and well in Turkey, still teaching. And in fact has never even been to Mal. The young man Lin Annonm is just that, a young man, whose name keeps getting smeared here. if you google his name posts from this site show up and then people will come here and see that he is being accused of some pretty bad stuff... I just don't think this is okay. jmo

“All my colleagues and my students can witness that I have been working here every day and I have not been out of Turkey since May, 2013. I have never been to Malaysia, either,” Dr Mamatjan Yasin (Yasheng Maimaitijiang in Chinese) told The Malay Mail Online via e-mail today. - See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...as-not-the-one-on-mh370#sthash.eIOaVs3f.dpuf:

:facepalm::banghead:

 

[aa9511]

According to few reports on twitter there have been search activities in the chitral mountains today. At least two helicopters and a search plane. Rumours are a huge fire was spotted there 10-12 days ago and rumours spreading 370 has been spotted there. There are a few sources tweeting this. I think ones a journalist ...am I allowed to post a link?

I should say Chitral mountains, Booni, Pakistan!

OMG.

Someone posted a map yesterday on the last thread of Pakistani airports and air bases.

I was looking in the north/northwest region....I noticed Chitral way up in the north and it looked like a very remote area. But I thought that since it was remote, probably the airports/bases would not be equipped to handle a 777?

 

[miley]

What's impossible and what's possible about where the plane ended up March 8?

It's impossible the plane ended its first March 8 flight in or near Andaman/Nicobar, the Maldives, Diego Garcia, or any points west including Africa. If the satellite data is right, the plane was far east of such areas at 8:11 am. It had either already landed or went on to land/crash within one hour's flight time of the much-published "red arc lines".

It's impossible that extra fuel mattered for the plane's first March 8 flight. The last satellite ping came at 8:11am, so the plane had landed or crashed by 9:11am (no ping). The plane flew 8.5 hours at most. If it had continued flying MORE than 8.5 hours, the pings would have continued.

Now, here's where it gets interesting. It's theoretically possible the plane landed, was turned off, refueled and flew on a SECOND March 8 flight. Someone could have plugged in a new transponder and flew on to points further flung. But it's unlikely. Why? Those darn pings, again. If whoever commandeered the flight wasn't smart enough to disable all of ACARS in-flight, it's unlikely they'd suddenly learn how to do it during a mad rush to refuel and vanish to a final destination.

The pings would have started again, and the investigators would have been able to track flight #2. So, in all likelihood, the plane landed or crashed March 8 within an hour's flying time of the "red-line arcs". And there it remained at least a few days, until the "ping data" started coming out -- and anyone hiding the plane could go over and turn off the entire ACARS system...

Disabling the satellite communication (ping) is a two person operation - one person to fly the plane and one person to enter the cabin and crawl down the hatch to the lower deck where the electronics bay is located.

Hypothetically, maybe there wasn't a second person to do it.

 

[Mama_Owl]

I wish they would release the location of the other satellite pings prior to 8:11am. They could tell us if mh370 was headed towards the satellite, away from it, or stationary.

Also, is Indonesia hiding something? The US search plane is grounded because they won't give permission to fly through their airspace.

 

[ToutCa]

Disabling the satellite communication (ping) is a two person operation - one person to fly the plane and one person to enter the cabin and crawl down the hatch to the lower deck where the electronics bay is located.

Hypothetically, maybe there wasn't a second person to do it.

Agreed. Turning off ACARS broadcasting after a landing is possible. Just unlikely. It seems more likely that whoever diverted the flight just had no clue hourly ping-backs would go out even after ACARS was disabled in the cockpit.

 

[aa9511]

Here is the link about the Pakistan airports and bases:

List of airports in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ToutCa]

Three of the four links don't work there.. Did you write that or find it somewhere? Do you know this guy?

UGh it took me a long time now i got to dig thro here is one

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...police-take-close-look-at-uighur-passenger-cr

The article refers to Yasheng Maimaitijiang (Yasin Mamatjan). CV here.

Yasin WAS NOT ON THE FLIGHT.

PLEASE stop posting false accusations of Lin Annan!

Annan is NOT a professor, but a 27-year-old student.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's the satellite. No commercial plane can fly at 35,800 km over earth!

Kilometers, not feet!

Good thinking, though. We know so little about the altitudes once the transponder went off.

Oh yeah, doh! I was thinking it was feet. Must read properly next time.... :blushing:

 

[mck16]

OT
This nest is in Georgia on Berry University campus. Hatched about 3 weeks ago. 24/7 camera

http://www.berry.edu/eaglecam/

This camera is in SW Florida. Baby is almost ready to fly away and be free.
http://www.dickpritchettrealestate.com/eagle-feed.html

He seems to be thinking about it very intently. Thanks for the link. jmo

 

[miley]

Agreed. Turning off ACARS broadcasting after a landing is possible. Just unlikely. It seems more likely that whoever diverted the flight just had no clue hourly ping-backs would go out even after ACARS was disabled in the cockpit.

I agree, the pings probably weren't anticipated by whoever was flying, although, still an interesting scenario you brought up.

 

[aa9511]

So the FBI taking the flight simulator and computers for testing (if that report is even true) - what they says to me is that FBI/US gov't think the plane was definately hijacked/sabotaged. Why would they do that if they really think the plane had some mechanical fire like Goodfellow's theory?

IMO, they want to first eliminate all possibilities of the pilots' involvement, b/c obviously that would be the "easiest" scenario - if the pilots did it. Then no one else necessarily had to be involved, thus no need to extensively seach out everyone.

So they want to make sure.

But this tells me something other than what CNN/FOX keep saying the US gov't "line" is - which is they think the plane went along the Southern Arc.

 

[JerseyGirl]

India is all set to resume the search for Malaysian jetliner MH370 ...

Government officials on Wednesday said Malaysia had sent a fresh request to India to help in the new designated search area stretching 5,000 nautical miles southwards from Jakarta. "One P-8I is already on stand-by at the naval air station at Arakkonam in Tamil Nadu, while another C-130J is positioned at Port Blair," said an official.

"Both planes, with long endurance, can scan the designated area with their radars, electro-optic and infra-red sensors. They are likely to begin operations from Thursday morning to cover the area spanning 5,000 nautical miles from Jakarta towards Antarctica," he added.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...g-Malaysian-jetliner/articleshow/32310717.cms

bbm

 

[mck16]

I wish they would release the location of the other satellite pings prior to 8:11am. They could tell us if mh370 was headed towards the satellite, away from it, or stationary.

Also, is Indonesia hiding something? The US search plane is grounded because they won't give permission to fly through their airspace.

Good question. jmo

 

[stx722]

The article refers to Yasheng Maimaitijiang (Yasin Mamatjan). CV here.

Yasin WAS NOT ON THE FLIGHT.

PLEASE stop posting false accusations of Lin Annan!

Annan is NOT a professor, but a 27-year-old student.

Yes please stop. It has been pointed out repeatedly. This was misreported early on and corrected. Not sure what your motivation is for accusing an innocent person.

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[Spool]

PURE SPECULATION HERE:

Could the plane have been insured by the German company, Allianz,...

and Allianz is paying for the accommodations of the passengers' family members?

:dunno:

My Allianz source says the plane was insured by their company. After 10 days, it is considered stolen or missing property, like a car, and the claim is paid.

 

[aa9511]

What happened to the General's remarks on FOX that he believed his "inside" knowledge would start coming out to the public "within the next 24-48 hours."

Yeah, right.

More like, we'll probably learn about it from some classified report which will only be released 20 years from now.

 

[ToutCa]

I wish they would release the location of the other satellite pings prior to 8:11am. They could tell us if mh370 was headed towards the satellite, away from it, or stationary.

Yes, yes, yes! It would be so helpful if they would share the earlier ping data.

If I were a journalist in Malaysia, I would also be screaming for:

1). Altitude information once the transponder was off.

-What exactly did Malaysian radar show for altitude? Thai radar?
-Was Rolls Royce lying when they said last engine data ALT was from 1:07am?
If not, how did they know plane dropped 40,000 ft, as was reported engine data demonstrated? True or not, such a maneuver simply could not have happened before 1:07am.
-It was reported that radar data showed the plane climb to 45,000ft, then drop to 23,000ft, then re-climb to 29,500ft as it vanished from radar.
-But it was also reported that the plane climbed to 45,000ft, then dropped to 5,000ft or even as low as 80ft to re-cross the Thai/Malay peninsula before re-climbing.

The looming question: What altitude data for MH-370 do investigators have for after the transponder went out? And which of the data are provided by radar, engine info sent to Rolls Royce, and/or extrapolation from satellite pings?

2). Was MH-370 equipped with an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT)?
If not, why not? If so, does the fact it has not gone off mean the plane landed intact somewhere?

 

[CARIIS]

Here is the link about the Pakistan airports and bases:

List of airports in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanx and since it started everyone is saying in the media no runways!!!