Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

[Yoda]

Ok, this has been bugging me.



Malaysia Airlines and the case of the missing legs
By Terri Rupar
March 12 at 2:32 pm

...The New Straits Times reports that Malaysian police said there was no purposeful doctoring of the photographs -- the photo of one man was simply placed on top of the photo of the other when they were photocopied....




So one photo was placed on top of the other? :waitasec:

I don't understand how doing that could cause that. Look at my experiment below.



Now let's put one photo on top of the other and photocopy it.



That explanation makes no sense to me. Can someone explain how I'm thinking wrong on this? :waitasec:


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[Marg from Oz]

ok, this has been bugging me.



malaysia airlines and the case of the missing legs
by terri rupar
march 12 at 2:32 pm

...the new straits times reports that malaysian police said there was no purposeful doctoring of the photographs -- the photo of one man was simply placed on top of the photo of the other when they were photocopied....




so one photo was placed on top of the other? :waitasec:

I don't understand how doing that could cause that. Look at my experiment below.



now let's put one photo on top of the other and photocopy it.



that explanation makes no sense to me. Can someone explain how i'm thinking wrong on this? :waitasec:


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i agree with you. They certainly lined them up well. The one on the left is not in the centre of the screen so they would have had to line the legs up to get them in the right position to attach them to the other guys torso. Jmoo

 

[CARIIS]

Seems to me it had to be done intentionally. As in one cut or folded to match the other photo. Maybe on a computer but not a copy machine. jmo

Oh golly I have not seen this stuff in 10 days - now that I do ( i bought it at first) I think your right ---it would not line up like that if it was placed on copy machine like that !!

ugh another problem........

A screenwriter could not do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And we have not even got to the real crazies in 4 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ElleElle]

It depends are where one is. I do not think it was mechanical, fire, etc. I think any incapation that incurred was a result of the bad guys getting one of the flight crew out of the cockpit. I also believe that one of the outsiders was highly highly skilled and that person took a seat in the cockpit or no pilots involved and others got the two out of the cockpit and took over but very sohpisticated aviators .

Its like , no airplane, if whatever happened, to the degree that it wiped out 229 people prior to whatever its final fate was - could not fly the 90 minutes over land much less 7 hours while making changes.

If the changes were congrunt with fight coordinates put it at the onset of the flight (ie head to china!) then that makes sense.

But at no time in 7 hours was this plane "out of control " in any manner. A plane in that much distress is going to ultimately be flying erratically.

HOw could it be any other way

Swiss air makes sense - in that the fire destroyed any and all methods of controling the machine --everything was burning up it crashed. Rather quickly.

I guess I am asking (fire) would one expect an automobile to drive for 4 hours on 4 flat tires with the engine on fire! Make turns. Stop at the lights! go the speed limit!

In any context this notion makes no sense! IF a shark ate off someones leg (!) would one expect that individual to swim 3 hours to shore.

It cant be both ways - problem so severe to incapacate - while not progessing to actually destroying the plane or car for that matter in and of iteself

Does that make sense?

BBM~ I get what you're saying and I don't disagree, but MH370 was flying erratically. Ascending to 45000 feet and descending to 23000 feet.

That's like going 0-100 in a race car, IMO.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Australia has dispatched six planes, including a pair of commercial jets with volunteer observers.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority said 10 State Emergency Service volunteers from Western Australia were flying today aboard what it described as "ultra-long-range commercial jets." The aircraft were chartered, according to the agency, which didn't elaborate on the owners or any other arrangements.

The ultra-long-range jets have the capability of five hours of search time, compared with two hours for the other jets because of the distance from the search area, it said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/mh37...join-search-20140322-359u1.html#ixzz2wezO5raU

 

[ElleElle]

I agree with the woman on CNN who says the plane is being held somewhere.

I believe she is the GF of an American passenger on MH370.

 

[Steely Dan]

Seems to me it had to be done intentionally. As in one cut or folded to match the other photo. Maybe on a computer but not a copy machine. jmo

That's what I think too, but everyone just seems to be taking it as true without questioning it. :waitasec:

:laughcry: You forget the hands!

Steely, imagine they were "photoshopped" for a reason? Why? What are they hiding? A logo, patch, shoe bomb? What??!

I think its a processing error as they added legs to make the one picture complete because whoever got it screwed up, IMO.

First BBM



Second, I have no idea what they're hiding, but it sure seems like they're trying to hide something. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

SOLD! But sign them before you frame them. And I prefer walmart's $10 frames.

Are you being sarcastic? :stormingmad:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Unless the ELT is submerged more than 4 meters under water. It won't emit any signal if it's any deeper than that. They work on the surface of water.

From page five (100 posts per page) I've scrolled through really fast because I'm logging off to actually listen closely to the news. Not to mention I must have suffered brain damage recently because I'm reading at a snail's pace (but while doing laundry all day too).

Anyway, when the ELT subject came up I wasn't fully engaged in listening to the person on TV until it was too late. He said something about salt water that I missed but seemed to think one ELT at least should have released a signal if upon crashing in the water.

On another topic I replied to earlier, the pilots possibly fighting, (that Derryn Hunch later responded to), my husband also told me today that he too has heard of crashes that were caused by pilots who were in the midst of arguments over varied subjects. He added it is a very rare occurrence though as far as he knows.
It is hard for me to imagine that idiotic behavior while flying an airplane. I'd think pilots would try/want to keep their cool while flying an airplane because their lives are on the line too. People are unpredictable at times that's for sure. I'll defer to the opinions of those whose world that is or once was.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

BBM~ This alone, does not equate to catastrophic event, IMO.

Still, there is the most acceptable theory of something happening inside MH370 (fire?) and everyone onboard was incapacitated, and it flew auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Well, its the most acceptable theory on the surface, but it has more holes in it than a Malaysian fishermans net when reality is applied to it.

The climb to 45K and then dive to 23K indicate to me that the autopilot was not flying the plane - otherwise it would have maintained heading straight and level.

It doesn't answer why every system EXCEPT the autopilot seemed to have been destroyed by this "fire" and in any case, the autopilot would have disengaged itself with an audable tone as it stalled at 45K - an event that the autopilot would determine as beyond its capability's and requiring pilots to take over.

But why would it have allowed the rapid accent to that FL anyway?

So even if you discount all the above reasons somehow, you need to take into account that the engines very likely could have flamed out at that altitude too - so the only way the aircraft could have continued, even after recovery from the stall, would be if someone had done an "Air Start" proceedure (which requires the ignitors to be depressed and then the throttles manipulated as required for the air start procedure on that aircraft/engine type, feeding fuel into the turbine at a controlled throttle setting that would bring the engines online successfully.

Then the plane has climbed back up to 35K and flown straight and level for the next 7hrs... as if autopilot had been engaged again...

Too many events occurring here that would have required a pilots hands on input.

Also the odds of a fire so severe it incapacited crew before they could make a PAN PAN call yet still re-route the aircraft and all passengers - sounds to me like one that would be starting to damage the structural integrity of the airframe to the point of failure veery shortly as well...

all this before it suddenly extinguishes and flies on like nothing even happened - with all on board dead and in a ghost plane for the next 7hrs??? No way.

 

[MsFacetious]

These two pilots weren't fighting... but they were distracted.
They were having issues with the navigational system.
ONE pilot should have handled that while the other flew the plane.
Instead both of them focused on the issue and nobody flew the plane.
Auto pilot disengaged and nobody noticed until it was too late. :facepalm:

Adam Air Flight 574

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eu6uoKYCJU

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ive-material-may-pose-dirty-bomb-threat-iaea/

Radiactive Material Missing - Could Be Used For Dirty Bomb


- for all those keeping the plane landed theory alive

In a report he wrote after the trip, Hecker estimated that the total plutonium in the area could approach 440 pounds. A nuclear bomb would require only about 17 pounds, or even less in some designs. Hecker wrote that it was “material in reasonably concentrated form, easily picked up, completely open to whomever wants to come.”


washingtonpost.com

 

[CARIIS]

I posted this a LONG time ago! You all are awesome - our collective trying to fit it together is amazing. That being said, and the fact that nothign is moving I think some of you may want to see this.
This is how they work- they are transparent , honest ethical. They exist to save lives and they have.
No secrets.

ANd my sense is there is an interest in hopefully, to see what kind of stuff they will check into. They do teams.

The battieies today were comforting in that it means that NTSB is gaining control. Why do I believe that you ask! Becasue this is their methodolgy. They sent a "group" to review cargo manifest, cargo handling etc.

BUt with the batteries todaywas like when are they gonna catch on that they cannot keep covering ...all kinds of stuff will be unearthed.

FBI /NTSB historically, can have some turf issues intially , but move to cooperation once who is going to lead is detemined.

THe new info about the computer - that is the FBI -they released it.!!

I will try to find a short one! but she held press briefings daily and watch how she handles questions - when she has an answer , that they know is fattual she releases that simple!~ Nice clear and authentic:

HA she is honest- she never gave a short explaination!

PLEASE NOTE THIS IS THREE DAYS AFTER IT CRASHED THREE Days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was a 777- so relevance is here!!

Her handling of the crash bothered Asiana Airlines - they felt she told too much . She is moving on.....
While Hersman has inspired fan blogs for her expertise and calm demeanor before television cameras, pilot unions in the U.S. and South Korea have criticized her handling of the Asiana investigation, saying she’s disclosed too much information and put excessive focus on pilot errors

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-25/ntsb-chief-hersman-unsure-she-ll-keep-job-as-term-ends.html

Just to honest for many:

A pilots’ union issued a statement Tuesday criticizing the National Transportation Safety Board for the way the agency is releasing information about the crash at San Francisco International Airport Saturday.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...-criticizes-ntsb-handling-of-sfo-crash-probe/



Chairman Hersman's fourth media briefing on Asiana flight 214 crash July 10, 2013 - YouTube

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

SOLD! But sign them before you frame them. And I prefer walmart's $10 frames.

And both in mid stride with the same odd curved right leg, and the feet look like their (a very very small difference) in a different place on the tiles.

 

[Hatfield]

Ok, this has been bugging me.



Malaysia Airlines and the case of the missing legs
By Terri Rupar
March 12 at 2:32 pm

...The New Straits Times reports that Malaysian police said there was no purposeful doctoring of the photographs -- the photo of one man was simply placed on top of the photo of the other when they were photocopied....




So one photo was placed on top of the other? :waitasec:

I don't understand how doing that could cause that. Look at my experiment below.



Now let's put one photo on top of the other and photocopy it.



That explanation makes no sense to me. Can someone explain how I'm thinking wrong on this? :waitasec:


Anyone who would like a framed copy of my art work can contact me for my Paypal account number. Each one is $1,000 and comes in a beautiful $10 frame.

Ok...Here is my take. Lets hone in on just the picture on the left. Lets suppose for whatever reason they only had a short picture of the guy on the left. Well, I can see where they placed that picture over the picture of the guy on the right for that one. HOWEVER, WTH? Why in the world if they have a full shot of 1 guy they cant have a full shot of the other guy.

This guy on the left (on top) had a shoe bomb. Thats why. They didnt want to show his legs and shoes.

Thats all i got. LOL

 

[lawstudent]

It seems logical that if a plane has lost contact with its assigned ATC that the ATC would quickly alert neighboring ATCs to be on the lookout for that plane's location/condition. Seventy minutes could have made some difference in being able to locate the beginning of the problem.

No one believes the ATCs can reach their hands up in the sky to rescue an airplane that is in trouble ~ but certainly they can be a timely alert that has the possibility of assisting in narrowing the location of an endangered flight.

Yeah, the problem is that if a pilot doesn't answer his radio, no one else can talk to him either. And it appears he wasn't showing up for ATC on their radar or guidance systems because he wasn't in the area and had turned off the transponder. If a plane that wouldn't respond got really close to an airport and ATC noticed, there would have been an issue.

 

[Hatfield]

Also, Me thinks those 2 guys in the picture went to the same exact barber very recently and got nicely trimmed up. Notice the sideburns and hair look like exact same cut.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Ok...Here is my take. Lets hone in on just the picture on the left. Lets suppose for whatever reason they only had a short picture of the guy on the left. Well, I can see where they placed that picture over the picture of the guy on the right for that one. HOWEVER, WTH? Why in the world if they have a full shot of 1 guy they cant have a full shot of the other guy.

This guy on the left (on top) had a shoe bomb. Thats why. They didnt want to show his legs and shoes.

Thats all i got. LOL

Oh My Gawd!

I just jumped on... have missed a bit... and saw these pics!

I am dying here!!!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

:loveyou:

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I agree with the woman on CNN who says the plane is being held somewhere.

I believe she is the GF of an American passenger on MH370.

Yes, I believe she is the GF of Philip Woods (the only adult American passenger), who was starting a new job with IBM.

 

[Nymeria]

Anyone who would like a framed copy of my art work can contact me for my Paypal account number. Each one is $1,000 and comes in a beautiful $10 frame.

*Respectfully Snipped*

OK Jodi... :giggle:

J/K, your art is much more sophisticated!