Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[Insp.Gadget]

This highly interesting CNN Video interview (published on Mar 18 2014) of CNN's reporter Mr. Martin Savidge and
uFly Flight Simulator's employee Mr. Mitchell Casado (uFly Company recently fired Mitchell Casado due to being improperly dressed for CNN coverage)
demonstrates how EASILY a Boeing 777's flight path can be rerouted while in flight.

uFly company owner Claudio Teixeira says he fired Mitchell Casado on Wednesday in part for 'shaming Canadians' by 'dressing like he was 15 years old' during
appearances on CNN tv-interview.

CNN News report Video on their CNN Youtube channel:
Officials: Someone in cockpit rerouted missing plane - YouTube

MSM link: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadi...suing-former-employer-1.1802859#ixzz30k9yAGXL

Why on earth would a company fire somebody or an expert who actually
is able to give more insight to the viewers or assist with information on how a Boeing 777 can be flown... :facepalm:
At least Mr. Mitchell Casado had CLEAN clothes on as far as CNN video shows!

MOO!

 

[marlywings]

Something kept drawing me back to the arc map included in the prelim report....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nd-search-delays/story-fnizu68q-1226902829876

IF it were a pilot/suicide there'd be no need to bring the plane around in such a curved arc, just continue on in a more or less straight line down over the ocean to ditch it.

Looking at airline flight maps of Malaysia Air & Thai Airlines, that curved arc is almost identical to the flight route from Perth to Kuala Lumpur with an estimated flight time of 5hr 40mins. I'll hazard a guess & say,in my opinion, MH370 was hijacked & was heading for Australia but ran out of fuel....so close & yet so far.

http://routesmap.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/malaysia-airlines-routes-map.html

http://www.thaiairways.com.au/thai_our_network.asp

 

[ilovepierre]

Something kept drawing me back to the arc map included in the prelim report....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nd-search-delays/story-fnizu68q-1226902829876

IF it were a pilot/suicide there'd be no need to bring the plane around in such a curved arc, just continue on in a more or less straight line down over the ocean to ditch it.

Looking at airline flight maps of Malaysia Air & Thai Airlines, that curved arc is almost identical to the flight route from Perth to Kuala Lumpur with an estimated flight time of 5hr 40mins. I'll hazard a guess & say,in my opinion, MH370 was hijacked & was heading for Australia but ran out of fuel....so close & yet so far.

http://routesmap.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/malaysia-airlines-routes-map.html

http://www.thaiairways.com.au/thai_our_network.asp

That makes sense!
If it was hijacked, the question remains: WHO and WHY?

 

[Kimster]

That makes sense!
If it was hijacked, the question remains: WHO and WHY?

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

 

[ilovepierre]

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

Maybe no one claimed responsibility because it was a failed hijack.
The intended destination was never reached, therefore no group wants to take responsibility for it.

 

[Archangel7]

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

I agree, it almost sounds like a group attempt that perhaps went badly and killed everyone on board, in flight, then just "ghost shipped" away into oblivion.

I would guess under those circumstances, the balance of the group would keep quiet in hopes of another future attempt.

My concern is that no Countries are talking any real substantial talk. I bet their spooks are in overdrive and the satellite batteries are in high discharge mode.

Of course this could simply be an independent operator with a personal grudge.........

 

[newone]

I agree, it almost sounds like a group attempt that perhaps went badly and killed everyone on board, in flight, then just "ghost shipped" away into oblivion.

I would guess under those circumstances, the balance of the group would keep quiet in hopes of another future attempt.

My concern is that no Countries are talking any real substantial talk. I bet their spooks are in overdrive and the satellite batteries are in high discharge mode.

Of course this could simply be an independent operator with a personal grudge.........

BBM

That makes sense to me.....as well as upthread too (because the mission failed a group is keeping it on downlow)

 

[ElleElle]

Exactly.
I still feel pretty safe traveling by plane. The security measures here in North America are excellent, whereas in other countries (such as Malaysia) the security is pretty lax/non-existent.

Do you remember the time when the teenager from Edmonton had a pipe bomb in his camera bag, and passed all the security from Canada - Mexico and back? Ooops security slip there.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...lure-at-edmonton-airport-kept-quiet-1.2500934

 

[ElleElle]

I guess.
He could have had someone using his FS that he didn't know was a shady character. I don't think he purposely trained any terrorists or other bad eggs on it.

Was Capt. Shah Muslim?

Interesting, the "new terror group planning on attacking Muslim countries".

I don't feel Shah is directly involved either.

 

[ilovepierre]

Do you remember the time when the teenager from Edmonton had a pipe bomb in his camera bag, and passed all the security from Canada - Mexico and back? Ooops security slip there.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...lure-at-edmonton-airport-kept-quiet-1.2500934

Hmmm....I think I vaguely remember that.
But security slips are very uncommon here. Security slips will happen anywhere, but since 9/11, North America did step up their security measures.
Other countries....not so much.

 

[ilovepierre]

Was Capt. Shah Muslim?

Interesting, the "new terror group planning on attacking Muslim countries".

I don't feel Shah is directly involved either.

I can't remember if he was or not.
I'm pretty sure the co-pilot was, though.

 

[ElleElle]

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

Perhaps they are twisting things or have instructions that are being followed? It could be why they are not saying anything.

RE: the southern arc - Would the plane take this route if auto pilot is engaged?

 

[ElleElle]

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BBM

That makes sense to me.....as well as upthread too (because the mission failed a group is keeping it on downlow)

My issue with this is, is ok, so "mission failed" - why not just tell the world?

Are they worried everyone will freak out? So, it's better just to keep it silent while trying to prevent more future attacks?

 

[ElleElle]

Hmmm....I think I vaguely remember that.
But security slips are very uncommon here. Security slips will happen anywhere, but since 9/11, North America did step up their security measures.
Other countries....not so much.

:floorlaugh: True. No security slips can happen if security is non-existent.

 

[Insp.Gadget]

Already on the 12 March 2014 Dailymail.co.uk mentioned the so called 'Shoe Bomber'....

This was published Published: 13:41 GMT, 12 March 2014 | Updated: 17:40 GMT, 13 March 2014:
"Saajid Badat tells court of plot for Malaysian pilot to blast his way into a plane's cockpit
He has testified about the plan before, but it now has a new resonance
Badat told about the plot at trial of Osama bin Laden's son-in-law yesterday ".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-flight-MH370-jet-brought-shoe-bomber.html

Al Arabiya is the leading News Channel in the Arab World, alarabiya.net Published 4 May 2014:
" Malaysian police on Sunday rejected a British report linking the missing Malaysian flight with al-Qaeda, described it as “rubbish.” ."
" “That’s rubbish! This has nothing to do with the plane,” Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar told The Star on Sunday. "
"following claims from an al-Qaeda “supergrass” who recently spoke of a Malaysian plot in a New York court.
Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, had said that four to five Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using
a bomb hidden in a shoe "
"Badat said that he had met the Malaysian jihadists in Afghanistan, given them a shoe bomb to use to take control of an aircraft, and that one of them was a pilot.
Badat had been giving evidence at the trial in New York of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law. He told the court that he believed the Malaysians, including the pilot,
were “ready to perform an act.”"
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...n-Al-Qaeda-links-arrested-in-MH370-probe.html

Saajid Badat Wikipedia info:
"Saajid Muhammad Badat (born March 28, 1979) is a British Islamist terrorist who was sentenced to a 13-year prison
term for planning to blow up an aircraft with a bomb hidden in his shoe."
Saajid Badat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MSM link South China Morning Post, PUBLISHED : Wednesday, 30 April, 2014, 8:49pm:
"Saajid Badat, 35, told the New York trial of British hate preacher Abu Hamza that he used the Yahoo account while researching Jewish targets
in South Africa."
"Badat said he went to Pakistan in mid-2001 to use the internet to research Jewish targets, which included a Holocaust museum, synagogues
and the diamond industry."
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/arti...saajid-badat-used-sacrifice72-his-e-mail-name


OLD Dailymail MSM Article from year 2012 MSM Article Published: 08:35 GMT, 24 April 2012 by Dailymail in reg Mr. Saajid Badat:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ted-shoe-bombers-wreck-aviation-industry.html
"Badat, 33, was convicted in London in a 2001 plot to down an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami, but was freed from jail early in return for giving evidence
in terror cases."
"t emerged yesterday that Badat is having everything from his rent to his mobile phone costs paid by the taxpayer, he told a New York court.
The Mail revealed last week how ex-grammar school boy Saajid Badat was freed two years early in return for giving evidence in terror cases."
" Badat, from Gloucester, revealed much about the controversial deal he made with the UK authorities.
The 33-year-old said he refused to join a witness protection programme but has had considerable financial help in starting a new life."
"Furthermore, fearing arrest in the U.S., Badat is willing to give only video testimony, which is not admissible in American military courts."


MSM Mirror.co.uk Published May 04,2014 01:09:
"Live updates as government denies arrested al Qaeda militants are being questioned over plane's disappearance"
"The suspects are said to be members of a violent new terror group said to be planning bomb attacks in Muslim countries".
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-live-updates-3493925


Themalaymailonline.com published May 3, 2014:
"Data from MH370 pilot’s flight simulator still unretrieved, IGP reveals."
"Investigators have only retrieved “some” of the deleted data from the flight simulator belonging to MH370’s Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah,
Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar revealed today, over a month after US officials reported no leads from their probe on the avionic equipment."
process of recovering such data is a difficult one, even with the aid of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
“We have only retrieved some of the data from the simulator.
“I cannot reveal further as it is still under investigation,” he was quoted"
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...0-pilots-drives-still-unretrieved-igp-reveals

 

[ElleElle]

Maybe if the plane got hijacked, they were trying to turn it back to KL, but it got intercepted by the crew, and headed South until running out of fuel?

According to the map it almost made a U-turn.

JMO

 

[panthera]

Was Capt. Shah Muslim?

Interesting, the "new terror group planning on attacking Muslim countries".

I don't feel Shah is directly involved either.

Agree, regarding Capt. Shah and also that the terrorist group is most likely not involved in the disappearance of MH370, as most of the passengers aboard were Chinese. The only connection I could make, however, would be that the airline is controlled by the Malaysian government, and a vast majority of the population of Malaysia is Muslim.

MOO

 

[Insp.Gadget]

Was Capt. Shah Muslim?

Interesting, the "new terror group planning on attacking Muslim countries".

I don't feel Shah is directly involved either.

ElleElle,

maybe this info assists:


"...pilots, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and Fariq Abdul Hamid. Both men were described to AP as respectable and community-minded.
Details of their backgrounds have emerged from interviews with neighbors, Malaysia Airlines staff, a religious leader and from social networks and news reports"
"Fariq is a “good boy, a good Muslim, humble and quiet,” said Ahmad Sarafi Ali Asrah, head of a community mosque"
MSM NYPost link: http://nypost.com/2014/03/14/profiles-emerge-of-pilots-at-helm-of-missing-jet/



"captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53"
"Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim"
"Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist"
"Malaysian police searched his house in the upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb of Shah Alam, where he had installed a home-made flight simulator.
But this newspaper can reveal that investigators had already spent much of last week examining two laptops removed from Shah’s home.
One is believed to contain data from the simulator."
"One laptop taken away is thought to contain data from the flight simulator while a second contained little information. Zaharie’s personal laptop was
not found, and is thought to have been with him in the cockpit of the plane, the source said."
"Zaharie is believed to be separated or divorced from his wife although they share the same house"
"Zaharie was affectionately described as a good neighbour and an eccentric ‘geek’ who had a flight simulator at home simply because he loved his work so much."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html



Not any direct MSM links nor reference of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's religion or him being Muslim, other than that he was said to be a 'fanatical' supporter and related to of the political opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.
And when looking up politician Anwar Ibrahim according to Wikipedia Anwar Ibrahim's religion is 'Sunni Islam'.
One can only assume captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was connected to same religion as Anwar Ibrahim (???),
No proper report nor MSM mention about Captain Shah's religion published so far.


Anwar Ibrahim, Wikipedia Anwar Ibrahim - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dato' Seri Anwar Bin Ibrahim (born 10 August 1947) a Malaysian politician, Leader of Opposition.:
4.1 Years in prison and subsequent release:
"uttering accusations of immoral acts and calling Anwar a homosexual at a news conference in Malaysia."
"The sodomy verdict was partially overturned in 2004, resulting in Anwar's release from prison as he had already served his sentence
for the corruption offence"
5 Career as opposition leader (200:
"On 26 August 2008, Anwar won re-election in the Permatang Pauh by-election and returned to Parliament as leader of the Malaysian opposition. "
5.3 2008 Allegations of sodomy:
"Anwar was found not guilty on 9 January 2012, almost two years after the trial started."
5.4 2014 Allegations of sodomy acquittal overturned:
"While homosexual acts are illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia, very few people are ever prosecuted."
"As part of his overturned acquittal on 4 March 2014, Anwar has been sentenced to five years in jail,
but remains free on bail while he appeals the verdict."
5.5 Hidden sex tape allegation:
"On 21 March 2011 a sex video appeared which claimed to feature Anwar Ibrahim. A day after that, Anwar Ibrahim denied his involvement"
"The video also showed how make-up artists could easily produce an Anwar look-alike."
5.6 Jews, Israel, APCO Worldwide, and 1Malaysia:
"Anwar has made numerous remarks about a supposed conspiracy among the Malaysian government, APCO (a public relations firm retained by the Malaysian government),
Israel, and the United States. Anwar has condemned the Malaysian government for seeking advice from APCO. "
"He further implied that changes in Malaysian foreign policy could only be explained if Jews were manipulating Malaysia for the United States."
"Anwar claimed to have documents linking 1Malaysia, One Israel, and the public relations firm APCO but refused to allow access to the documents when challenged."
5.7 2012 Israeli-Palestinian Security comments...."


Missing flight MH370 Captain Zaharie is related to Anwar inlaws:
"Missing MH370: Anwar now admits Capt Zaharie related to son's in-laws "
Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has now admitted that MH370 pilot Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah is related to his son’s in-laws.
“I am not denying that he (Zaharie) is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions. In fact, he is a close friend of
(PKR supreme council member and Subang MP) R. Sivarasa, as we said before,” Anwar told reporters at the Parliament lobby..."
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/18/Missing-MH370-Capt-Zaharie-related-to-Anwar-inlaws/





The mention of the flight simulator in the pilot's home was home-made...
This indicates the pilot was so dedicated to BUILD his own Flight Simulator, instead of just BUYING one :banghead:

 

[Momoffourboys]

Was Capt. Shah Muslim?

Interesting, the "new terror group planning on attacking Muslim countries".

I don't feel Shah is directly involved either.

It has not been stated if Capt Shah is Muslim in any MSM. However, his family is.

 

[Insp.Gadget]

Reluctance to reveal info or facts or misinformation.

Like for example, do we get answers to these questions:
how about further explanation of the large dangerous cargo shipment (full Cargo Manifest), missing details ?
did they confirm the flight Fuel Load ?
how about the Aviation Digital Data Service (ADDS) ?
did they publish a hard copy of the "Radar Trace" tracked by military ?


Questions above would likely not be any State Secrets,
if they really would like to solve the MH30 Mystery, it would be helpful if they publish full info.
Or can somebody on WS find links with Answers to questions above ?


Remember reading in MSM that Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) helped to locate the missing MH370 flight,
saying that it ended up in Indian Ocean, with the help of a whole 'new technology'.
Can somebody on WS clarify further or find links to what kind of "new technology" it was they were using?

"The revelation that flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean is based on new analysis by UK investigators
and the British satellite firm Inmarsat"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26720772


Flight MH370 information on AAIB's official website:
"In accordance with the protocols detailed in ICAO Annex 13 concerning aircraft accident investigation".
"It is not appropriate for the AAIB to comment further on the investigation."
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/latest_news/...ian_airlines_flight_mh370_issued_26_03_14.cfm

The ICAO Annex 13 PDF Document online:
http://www.icao.int/Safety/ism/ICAO Annexes/Annex 13.pdf

Flight MH370 info on Inmarsat's official website:
"Malaysia’s Ministry of Transport has published an article detailing how Inmarsat helped to pinpoint the southern corridor flight path taken by MH370.
It reports that Inmarsat informed them on 13 March that routine automatic communications between the Inmarsat satellite and MH370 could be used to
determine several possible flight paths."
http://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes-mh370-details-uk-aaib/


"One of the relatives suggested the purchased data could be shared and made available globally so that it could be analysed by aviation experts."
MSM link: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/newsindex.php?id=1034967


News from 3 May 2014:

"Families of MH370 passengers urge Malaysia to buy Inmarsat raw data."
"Chinese next-of-kin of passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 aircraft have suggested
that Malaysian authorities purchase raw data from the British satellite company Inmarsat.
One of the relatives suggested the purchased data could be shared and made available globally so that it could be analysed by aviation experts.
"Let the whole world join in the analysis work," she told the Malaysian technical team at a regular briefing in Beijing today."
MSM link: http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/fa...e-malaysia-to-buy-inmarsat-raw-data-–-bernama



"The Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) have no plan to reveal the findings of their investigations on the disappearance of
the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 at this moment."
"After an analysis of satellite data indicated that the plane's last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean,
west of Perth, Australia, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak announced on March 24 that Flight MH370 "ended in the southern Indian Ocean".
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...eveal-findings-of-investigations-now-1.586291