Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #5

[Tulessa]

Hijacking a plane is not difficult.

It does not have to involve much.

What do you do when you have 239 lives and a bomb is in your face? A gun? A knife to the throat. You do as commanded and you put the plane on auto pilot. That means you turned all off that the hijacker said to, you must do all you can for the 239.

What do you do if you smoke tainted cigs or weed? You pass out and the hijacker takes over.

It does not take drastic measures to take over pilot and co-pilot. Just thinking ahead of time in nefarious ways, which clearly most of here do not.

Since 9/11, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, but love ya merc! :loveyou:

 

[kimi_SFC]

It's tweeted #TeamWebsleuths indeed! :loveyou:

:highfive:
:yourock:

:loveyou:

Any positive momentum regarding #MH370, in this case, neutralizing a hoax that likely caused undue stress to family members, feels better (to me) than the endless frustration I've felt over the last eight days. It may have been a small victory, but we made a difference. Another poster mentioned the search efforts were akin to world peace (paraphrasing). In all honesty, why not? It's amazing what a global community can do, when we are united, hearts and minds, with a common goal. I know for a fact we all want these people found, and for their loved ones to have peace. Sorry for the emotional post, but the loss of this flight, and all onboard, has really gotten to me today! :sigh:

:tyou:
:grouphug:

 

[MsFacetious]

Troy McCullough ‏@TroyWSJ 31m

“How long could they live?” Relatives of passengers on #MH370 cling to hope that plane has somehow survived.
http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/SS-2-475558/ …

Troy McCullough ‏@TroyWSJ 45m

Investigators taking hard look for #MH370 in Indian Ocean: India expands its search. U.S. focusing its effort there.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303546204579438353923544562

https://twitter.com/TroyWSJ

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html

 

[JaimeInLA]

Hi peeps. I had been reading the thread every day until today, when I had to leave unemployment behind and start a new job. So I haven't been able to keep up. (Damn it, new job!) My new job is literally right next to Van Nuys airport so I have been hearing planes take off and land all day, and I've been thinking of all you super sleuthers. Any news? (My quick glance at Twitter says no.) This is maddening!

 

[Softail]

Thank you!

You are quite welcome.

This is really getting absurd. Some of the stories coming out. ullhair:

 

[ilovepierre]

Apparently, the name of Passenger 84 was blurred out on the list of passengers:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...ing-flight-mh370/story-fnjwmwrh-1226851465289

Now, when you look at the manifest, everyone is listed:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/con...ght MH 370 Passenger Manifest_Nationality.pdf

So who on the manifest is the blurred out name? People say it's a 35-year-old man....but has his name been released? I haven't seen any article say what is name is, even though they mention finding his CV so they know what it is...

Also, passenger 84 on the Malaysia manifest is not the same person on the China manifest.

 

[Softail]

I'm leaning towards hijacking mostly because of the timing. As soon as they were entering Vietnam's air space, the transponder was turned off. Someone had to have known that.

Haven't figured out why. :sigh:

I still think it did ultimately crash.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO, the US might say what serves them best, officially, just as other countries do. I don't think any countries are truthful when possible spying positions etc. are involved.

 

[SuziQ]

SuziQ- are you talking about the 007 McDonald/ Korean airliner carrying the late Congressman Larry McDonald, that went missing in Asia?

No, but that's interesting!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Also, passenger 84 on the Malaysia manifest is not the same person on the China manifest.

I found the name of the 35-year-old professor...He is #99 on the Malaysia manifest.

 

[Joe Friday]

The lithium batteries being referred to are actually for the aircraft itself, from what CNN is saying. I found a link to the Boeing site that explains it:

http://787updates.newairplane.com/787-Electrical-Systems/Batteries-and-Advanced-Airplanes#

They're big and very powerful!

The plane you are referring to in that article is the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. NOT the 777 that is missing.

The 787 has or had major problems with the batteries starting on fire.

ETA: From the article: Earlier commercial airplane models, such as the 777, 747 and MD-11, used nickel cadmium (NiCd) batteries, which are heavier, larger and less powerful.

 

[skibaboo]

<3 kimi

 

[Mama_Owl]

I carry them for ecigs on flights, no problem. (In plastic battery boxes, not in the ecig.) All is scanned and hand searched.

Lighters on the other hand, not after 9/11 in U.S.

ETA: I'm thinking this is another reporter sent a link about something, not the military telling us what happened, as they still do not know, and we will know when they find out and decide to tell us.

All sorts of electronics use lithium batteries. Laptops, some cameras, etc.

Also, I was able to walk through security with a lighter in my back pocket about 6 years ago. I didn't mean to of course, I just forgot it was in there.

 

[kimi_SFC]

It just occurred to me that the media may be helping to give the bad people ideas. What I mean is CNN a little while ago was showing exactly how to shut off the transponder. That may be good info for future hijackers. :waitasec:

They just had the segment on again with Martin Savage and as I watched through a :facepalm: I noticed the transponder did NOT sound any alarm when he switched the transponder off. :waitasec:

I just thought that was interesting, as previous discussions mentioned there should be alarms of some sort, so I was waiting for them to go off. Unless I am missing something. CNN will likely repeat this segment again (unless they hear chatter about the point Softail brought up, which is a great point, BTW!).

:twocents:

 

[Chilly Willy]

This is something I have wondered about. What procedure takes place when a plane leaves one country's airspace and enters another's? Does the first country, in this case Malaysia, flip a "we're done with you" switch, meaning they would no longer receive transmissions or alerts from that aircraft?

Would the pilot then radio air control in the second country (VN) and announce their arrival. Would VN then flip a "we've got you" switch so that they would receive transmissions and alerts?

If that's the case, and the second country never takes control of the aircraft, does anyone get alerts?

Quoting myself because I have more information on this - from my husband who is a private pilot.

He says there are no bells and whistles that go off when a transponder is shut down, the plane simply disappears from commercial radar. Military radar could still track the plane because it sends out a signal that bounces back off the aircraft and doesn't depend on a transponder signal. He says military radar could track a bird in the sky at pretty much any altitude, even as low as 500 ft so long as there are no obstructions in the way.

So if the transponder was turned off at any time before the plane entered VN airspace, the plane would just be gone, no warning signal, no alarm bells, nada.

 

[Spellbound]

Apparently, the name of Passenger 84 was blurred out on the list of passengers:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...ing-flight-mh370/story-fnjwmwrh-1226851465289

Now, when you look at the manifest, everyone is listed:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/con...ght MH 370 Passenger Manifest_Nationality.pdf

So who on the manifest is the blurred out name? People say it's a 35-year-old man....but has his name been released? I haven't seen any article say what is name is, even though they mention finding his CV so they know what it is...

He is named on this page, under the picture
http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/missing-mh370-malaysian-police-deny-probing-uighur-passenger
an ethnic Uighur, professor/passenger (not sure if it is OK to post his name?)

 

[lawstudent]

The fact that all possibilities are being looked at doesn't mean they've decided on any particular one. Without the plane they obviously don't know it's a battery issue - they just have to look into everything. Doesn't mean other theories have been discarded.

Flammable batteries are on planes for the same reason flammable electricity and fuel are - something needs to power the plane, but fuels cause fires. All you can do is maximize safety features.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I find it interesting that when you do a search for the professor's full name, only 898 results come up. There are some media articles that do mention him, but it seems like they have done a really good job of keeping his name out of the spotlight. There are 1 billion results when you search for Flight 370...

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Some questions I have:

Very early published reports told of an air traffic controller at Ho Chi Minh City airport trying to communicate with the missing flight. He was expecting to "receive them" on his radar and when he could not raise a response from the plane, he contacted ANOTHER plane and asked THEM to try to contact the plane. They did so, and this was actually the last contact with the plane, the one in which the response was said to "sound mumbled". The article I read went on to say the HCM City controller asked the same "other plane" to try again to contact the missing plane. They tried again and got nothing.

I would like to know more about these events. Times. Where was the plane that actually heard the "mumbled" response? What did the HCM City controller do next when a plane he was expecting failed to show up? Did he contact anyone? Who?

Who actually first reported the plane missing? Who was it reported to?

 

[Joe Friday]

They just had the segment on again with Martin Savage and as I watched through a :facepalm: I noticed the transponder did NOT sound any alarm when he switched the transponder off. :waitasec:

I just thought that was interesting, as previous discussions mentioned there should be alarms of some sort, so I was waiting for them to go off. Unless I am missing something. CNN will likely repeat this segment again (unless they hear chatter about the point Softail brought up, which is a great point, BTW!).

:twocents:

I don't believe switching off the transponder will generate an alarm in the cockpit. Air Traffic Control might get an alarm or alert that they are not receiving information passed to them from the transponder if it suddenly is shut off.

I think what was being refereed to as an alarm in the cockpit is when the auto pilot disengages either from a malfunction or the pilot manually disengaging it.

JMO