Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #7

[gregjrichards]

what do you guys think of flyingwithfish's tweets he seems to have good contacts and thinks the aircraft was transporting something important, that the plane may have flown to Iran and China may be involved in what has happened?

He was the guy who reported about the banned batteries being in the cargo and the cargo was not scanned.

https://twitter.com/flyingwithfish

 

[lawstudent]

I should know better than to argue with a lawyer...:tongue:

Not a lawyer (yet)! But law school does teach you to be super, super concerned with word choice. It can make a huge difference when you don't expect it..it's so aggravating how the media often uses a completely incorrect word which changes the meaning of everything.

ACARS = aircraft communications addressing and reporting system.

Thank you - so is that what a transponder is connected to or something separate?

 

[Oro]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/213654
What do yall think?

The thing on the left looks like someone with a life jacket on but maybe my eyes are tricking me. I'm not sure what the things are on the right beside it.

It's three boats, you can tell by the wake/current behind it.. the shape doesn't resemble debris, a plane that crashes doesn't split clean in half and both of the wings would be gone? You guys doing an amazing job trying to find this plane but it's like finding a needle in a haystack, especially with these satellite images..

What strikes me is how mankind is able to find a guy in the desert hidden in a cave.. and we are able to lose an airplane with 250 people aboard of it.. none of this makes any sense. :/

On Belgian news they're now reporting the plane has possibly been hijacked using cellphone signals, like really? My wireless at home doesn't even work without disconnecting me every hour.. yeah sure, we have seen cars driven by cellphones but they had special hardware installed within to archieve this. This sensation press man.. I wonder when they're gonna start making sense. :|

I personally believe the plane has been hijacked and crashed somewhere at sea and it could take weeks or even months to locate it.. just waiting for a terrorist organisation to claim this hijacking.

 

[Snoods]

Firstly - WTF - seriously, has the Malaysian PM stood down??? Need to verify this...

There is no way they will let him fly the plane home again and there is no way he would hang round to do it...

They (and pretty much all other countries) would not allow him to fly in their airspace and I tell you, if I were a passenger on that plane, the chances of me getting back on board with old mate at the controls if indeed he had done this would be less than zero.

Anyway, that fact aside, I want to know more about this whole Malaysian PM resigning thing!?!

Umm....simmer down, why so hostile? I believe this is what IHAVENOCLUE is talking about, read the thread...

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/ca...8/anwars-conviction-gets-worldwide-attention/

 

[gregjrichards]

Whoa! Is there anything in MSM re the Malaysian president resigning???

Media Monitor ‏@SAMediaMonitor 1h

Parliament bid farewell to DeputyPresident Motlanthe & National Planning Minister Manuel. How was their media coverage?#sabcnews

I have only seen this tweet about the deputy President and National Planning Minister resigning on twitter.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So if the plane was hijacked and the passengers kidnapped where exactly are the hijackers and kidnappers hiding a plane and 227 people?

 

[Snoods]

Not a lawyer (yet)! But law school does teach you to be super, super concerned with word choice. It can make a huge difference when you don't expect it..it's so aggravating how the media often uses a completely incorrect word which changes the meaning of everything

I hear you, I'm trying to be more careful about that myself!

 

[Sillybilly]

I can't figure out what ASCARs stands for even after searching for it - I know it keeps coming up in this thread but I can't comment on that.

<rsbm>

Trying to keep up reading, but just jumping in with a tidbit .. I believe the acronym is ACARS. I just read on CNN that ACARS = Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System

from:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

HTH

 

[gregjrichards]

It's three boats, you can tell by the wake/current behind it.. the shape doesn't resemble debris, a plane that crashes doesn't split clean in half and both of the wings would be gone? You guys doing an amazing job trying to find this plane but it's like finding a needle in a haystack, especially with these satellite images..

What strikes me is how mankind is able to find a guy in the desert hidden in a cave.. and we are able to lose an airplane with 250 people aboard of it.. none of this makes any sense. :/

On Belgian news they're now reporting the plane has possibly been hijacked using cellphone signals, like really? My wireless at home doesn't even work without disconnecting me every hour.. yeah sure, we have seen cars driven by cellphones but they had special hardware installed within to archieve this. This sensation press man.. I wonder when they're gonna start making sense. :|

I personally believe the plane has been hijacked and crashed somewhere at sea and it could take weeks or even months to locate it.. just waiting for a terrorist organisation to claim this hijacking.

Thanks Oro I knew what I was seeing couldn't be right. Yes it amazing the number of people dedicated to searching for the plane around the world. It is way to hard for me though I am not good at it.

 

[fruity]

Not a lawyer (yet)! But law school does teach you to be super, super concerned with word choice. It can make a huge difference when you don't expect it..it's so aggravating how the media often uses a completely incorrect word which changes the meaning of everything.






Thank you - so is that what a transponder is connected to or something separate?

Derryn Hunch can give you much better information than me!

The transponder is separate. I'm not an expert but from what I understand, the transponder is located in the cockpit. The ACARS has two parts to it. One
Is located in the cockpit, the other is in an electronics hatch outside the cockpit. In this flight the transponder in the cockpit and the ACARS in the cockpit were both turned off. The ACARS portion remaining transmitted the pings that let the military know it was still flying until at least 8.11am.

I personally believe that the pilot was such a huge aviation geek that he would have known about needing to turn both portions of the ACARS off. IMO someone else in that flight wasn't as knowledgable and forcibly took over. Well that's my theory tonight. I've had 3 others I was sure of today but have disregarded them all, so this one might be turfed soon too!!

 

[newone]

Malaysia Airlines - W

Wow

"Boeing 777-200ER 14 — 0 35 247 282 To be phased out, replacement to be decided in 2014." .

from your information it seems that this new aircraft (the one that was ''borrowed'') is going to be decommissioned from their current schedule in april of this year..

earlier today while I was scouring online I happened upon some critique of the MAS as corrupt (slogan advertising kind of thing) so this adds a level of disgruntlement to the mix

 

[Marg from Oz]

Reading your post made me emotional. It fits.

What if the twenty were going to Beijing to help fix China up the same way they had just fixed Malaysia up in Kuala Lumpur.
What exactly did that team do?

I saw a case depicted on TV about a specialist (computer or ??? engineer of some kind), an American who was murdered because of some secret info he uncovered or figured out. I believe this was in China (maybe not but Asia for sure) and his business people and police said he committed suicide. He had been stressed out over his job (that he loved at one time) and was returning home for good in nine days iirc. His parents and two brothers didn't believe that he committed suicide and when they went to his apartment to clear it out, his mom found a hard drive that was left on a window sill iirc. It was a fluke that she placed the hard drive in her suitcase unaware it contained evidence. There's a lot more to the story, but,
my point is, having certain information can be dangerous when competition is steep and potential gold mines are at risk.

This theory, if played out, wouldn't involve the pilots as the responsible parties. It would have to have been a third party who took over the plane. On the other hand, maybe not, because it was what the pilot said (we don't know for certain it was the pilot though) that made me remember this true story/case. Why would one of the pilots be willing to kill himself though over something like this?

This was on fox crime channel aout 3 weeks ago in Australia. I also remember seeing it prior to this. So, would have been a couple of years ago.
IIRC The firm he was working for wantd him to do underhanded stuff `and he decided to leave. He was all packed to go back home. And then......he is found dead. Supposed suicide. Murder I would say. JMO

 

[newone]

what do you guys think of flyingwithfish's tweets he seems to have good contacts and thinks the aircraft was transporting something important, that the plane may have flown to Iran and China may be involved in what has happened?

He was the guy who reported about the banned batteries being in the cargo and the cargo was not scanned.

https://twitter.com/flyingwithfish

Thank you for posting this -- there was a tweet there that confirms my gut impression that they are faking the searches they know the plane has landed YIPPEE

 

[John51]

Where did you read/hear this information? Are you able to provide a link please?

According to my husband, Vietnam didn't have radar in the 1990's. When he heard they may shut down at times in this day and age, he replied that he wouldn't be surprised. But he really doesn't know.
He used to fly a C-12 throughout that region and told a story of being off radar eighty miles out from land for about 300 miles of his flight.

I'm not certain we've heard anything directly from Vietnam.

A search on the internet for regional air traffic control will point to Ho Chi Min city as one of the Area Control Centers (ACC).

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Area_Control_Centers"]List of Area Control Centers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

This list of ACC is maintained by International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) so I dont think the Vietnam ATC would shirk from this responsibility. Yes maybe they just got a proper ATC/radar in the last decade but it doesn't mean they are incompetent AFAIC.

On the radar being turn off may be it is a reference to the following control

"Approach and terminal control

Many airports have a radar control facility that is associated with the airport. In most countries, this is referred to as Terminal Control; in the U.S., it is referred to as a TRACON (Terminal Radar Approach Control). While every airport varies, terminal controllers usually handle traffic in a 30-to-50-nautical-mile (56 to 93 km) radius from the airport. Where there are many busy airports close together, one consolidated Terminal Control Center may service all the airports."

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control"]Air traffic control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

My guess for an airport that has this type of ATC with small number of flight and does not operate 24 hours, it would make sense to turn it off as all other flights not landing there will be manage by the ACC as above.

This is just my basic understanding of air traffic control, I might be wrong somewhere but I think I got at least most of it right. :cheers:

 

[John51]

Derryn Hunch can give you much better information than me!

The transponder is separate. I'm not an expert but from what I understand, the transponder is located in the cockpit. The ACARS has two parts to it. One
Is located in the cockpit, the other is in an electronics hatch outside the cockpit. In this flight the transponder in the cockpit and the ACARS in the cockpit were both turned off. The ACARS portion remaining transmitted the pings that let the military know it was still flying until at least 8.11am.

I personally believe that the pilot was such a huge aviation geek that he would have known about needing to turn both portions of the ACARS off. IMO someone else in that flight wasn't as knowledgable and forcibly took over. Well that's my theory tonight. I've had 3 others I was sure of today but have disregarded them all, so this one might be turfed soon too!!

BBM: A small correction, not the military but the company Inmarsat (or something to that effect) who operates the satellite. The military primary radar contact was only up till 2.40 am.

It probably requires lots of analysis work for that company to filter out which is the signal coming from Mh370 considering that you have thousands of airplanes flying around the globe at any given time.

 

[Plumeria5]

Whoa! Is there anything in MSM re the Malaysian president resigning???

IDK but your avatar is making me hungry. :facepalm:

 

[gregjrichards]

KUALA LUMPUR, March 16 — Police scrutinising Malaysia Airlines (MAS) pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah who captained missing flight MH370 did not find terrorist connections, a local daily reported.

According to the New Sunday Times (NST), police also questioned MAS ground staff and other employees who were in contact with the jetliner before it took off on March 8, but found nothing suspicious.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/m...70-pilot-of-terror-links#sthash.xgeM2zYd.dpuf

*PRESS CONFERENCE STARTS IN 22 MINUTES*

 

[aa9511]

The pilot had the skills. How much planning would an experienced pilot need? He could have literally decided to do what he did, a minute before he did so. IMO, a complicated terror plot is less likely.

For what reason? People don't suddenly turn evil.

 

[Sillybilly]

Anyone have an idea what all these bright spots could be?

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/681908

 

[fruity]

BBM: A small correction, not the military but the company Inmarsat (or something to that effect) who operates the satellite. The military primary radar contact was only up till 2.40 am.

It probably requires lots of analysis work for that company to filter out which is the signal coming from Mh370 considering that you have thousands of airplanes flying around the globe at any given time.

Thanks for that!