Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[Waddles]

Morning Waddles and everyone else. The next press conference is in an hour exactly.

Thank you! Anyone have a link?

 

[revampz]

and yes I thought of Russia as well, especially when you look at that corridor and see that if it flew a little bit further north, there is Russia...

were there Russians on the manifest...

however it looks like Putin probably wont need force as they had a referudum and "apparently" something like 93% in the Crimea want to be part of Russia!!!!....

 

[alioop]

yep am on the same page...

however I didn't factor into being shot down by military planes and the government in chaos with the spotlight on them for shooting down a civilian plane.......that is very credible!!

The one thing we need to know is just what was most important to him....bringing down a government or his family.....

he may of thought he was a hero by getting rid of a corrupt government for the Malaysian people.....

I just saw on the news that the pilots daughter lives in Melbourne....this must be so awful for them at the moment..

Plenty of people do terrible things and they all have families. Their reasons for doing what they have done blinds them to everything else at that time. Doesn't mean they are not sorry for it later when they realise the enormity of what they have done.

 

[Ravynne]

A government would get the distraction needed to carry out a takeover plus gain information on technology had by other countries with information sharing and bring world wide forces to one area.

The technology information I hadn't considered, even though it's right out there.
D@mn that's frightening.

What though is the end game?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

LOL well that explains it! For 3 days they were out shopping for twin legs, pants and shoes.......

Maybe there are shops called "Legs for Less"? :waitasec:

 

[gregjrichards]

Thank you! Anyone have a link?

This should work in Paris Waddles it's sky news in the UK and they cover all the press conferences live. I am watching sky news just now and they are definitely going to show this one as well.

http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live

 

[Soulmagent]

A government would get the distraction needed to carry out a takeover plus gain information on technology had by other countries with information sharing and bring world wide forces to one area.

strategy

 

[alioop]

Following on from my current theory, if the pilots plan was to get shot down, when that didn't work he could hardly have turned the plane around and landed somewhere to face the repercussions of killing everyone on board. He could not let his family go through that so he had little choice but to let the plane run out of fuel and crash. He didn't want to hurt more innocent people by say flying into the petronas towers.

 

[gregjrichards]

and yes I thought of Russia as well, especially when you look at that corridor and see that if it flew a little bit further north, there is Russia...

were there Russians on the manifest...

however it looks like Putin probably wont need force as they had a referudum and "apparently" something like 93% in the Crimea want to be part of Russia!!!!....

There was one Russian passenger on board.

 

[Phosphor]

We're writing fiction, aren't we?

 

[Waddles]

This should work in Paris Waddles it's sky news in the UK and they cover all the press conferences live. I am watching sky news just now and they are definitely going to show this one as well.

http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live

wonderful thank you!

 

[fruity]

The daughter of the pilot is said to have fled Australia. Poor girl

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...ved-in-australia?mch=mobilenh&mchpost=tabloid

 

[MsFacetious]

I just got caught up and now I have to go to bed. :sigh:

Side note. My husband flew standby yesterday (from an international airport in the United States.)
He got bumped from the first flight, but his luggage stayed on the plane.

Just found that a bit frightening after the discussions on the topic here. :twocents:

 

[Humdinger]

My current theory is the pilot, very angry with the Malaysian government overturning the acquittal spends the next few hours planning how to damage the government.
He reports for duty, gets on the plane and at some point locks the co pilot out of the cockpit. Then by severe manoeuvres he depressurises the plane whilst he is on oxygen. He is now the only person conscious/ alive on the plane and has peace and quiet and a few hours to carry out the rest of his plan. It is a quick and painless death as far as he is concerned which helps overcome his guilt for the innocent passengers.

He deliberately flies low enough to be seen to be a possible threat over 3 military radar hoping to cause trouble. Maybe he was going to have a cat and mouse chase with the aim of being shot down. Imagine that, the Malaysian military forced to shoot down a commercial airliner over their own country. To make it worse it is the country's own airline of which the government owns a majority interest.

However, they don't notice him so he decides it will be international chaos and greatly damage the government if he flies the plane as far into the Indian Ocean as fuel allows. He doesn't care if the plane is ever found, just that he has a plane with passenger nationalities from all around the world. The world will turn its attention to how the Malaysian government let this happen. Which is exactly what is now happening.

I love this theory Alioop! Well I don't love that he killed 238 innocent people, but it's a well thought out and plausible theory! Thanks.

 

[newone]

Maybe there are shops called "Legs for Less"? :waitasec:

BOGO this week only

 

[popsicle]

H2O Comms ‏@H2OComms 2h
The next few tweets are from the #MH370 Press Statement By the Ministry of Transport, Malaysia - Monday, 17 March 2014

Number of countries involved in the SAR operation has increased from 14 to 26 #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Countries involved are Malaysia, Australia, Bangladesh, Brunei, China, France, India, Indonesia, Japan ... (con't) #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

(con't) ... Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Myanmar, New Zealand, Pakistan, Philippines, Russia, Singapore .. (con't) #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

.. (con't) South Korea, Thailand, Turkmenistan, UAE, UK, US, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam. #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Today, the Royal Malaysian Navy and the Royal Malaysian Air Force will deploy their assets to the southern corridor #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent diplomatic notes to all countries along northern & southern corridors ... (con't) #MH370 @HishammuddinH2O

.. (con't) and also all countries from which we are requesting assistance #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Dip. notes sets out specific support & assistance req'd - 1. Radar & satellite info 2. Land, sea and air search ops #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

.. (con't) 3. SAR action plans for relevant countries 4. Details of any information required from Msia #MH370 @HishammuddinH2O

3 French officials from the BEA have arrived in KL to help with SAR ops #MH370 @HishammuddinH2O

BEA - Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses pour la sécurité de l'aviation civile #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Officials will share their expertise & knowledge based on experience from the search for Air France Flight 447 #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Sat 8/3- @PDRMsia started investigations into all crew members, pilot, co-pilot and all ground staff handling #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Sun 9/3- @PDRMsia visited homes of pilot & co-pilot. Officers also spoke to family members #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Sat 15/3 - @PDRMsia visited homes of pilot & co-pilot again #MH370 -@HishammuddinH2O

Pilot’s flight simulator taken from his house with assistance of his family. Simulator re-assembled at @PDRMsia HQ #MH370 @HishammuddinH2O

This ends the live tweets of DS @HishammuddinH2O, Acting Minister of Transport's press statement to the media #MH370

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[MsFacetious]

It's 2014 and 239 souls have been missing for 9 days, 16 hours and 30 minutes. :scared:

http://graphicsweb.wsj.com/documents/MH370COUNTDOWN/?mod=e2tw

 

[highflyer]

The technology information I hadn't considered, even though it's right out there.
D@mn that's frightening.

What though is the end game?

My fiction writing makes me queasy. Keep wanting the U.S. to get out. The others countries too. Feels like a trap.

 

[Waddles]

My current theory is the pilot, very angry with the Malaysian government overturning the acquittal spends the next few hours planning how to damage the government.
He reports for duty, gets on the plane and at some point locks the co pilot out of the cockpit. Then by severe manoeuvres he depressurises the plane whilst he is on oxygen. He is now the only person conscious/ alive on the plane and has peace and quiet and a few hours to carry out the rest of his plan. It is a quick and painless death as far as he is concerned which helps overcome his guilt for the innocent passengers.

He deliberately flies low enough to be seen to be a possible threat over 3 military radar hoping to cause trouble. Maybe he was going to have a cat and mouse chase with the aim of being shot down. Imagine that, the Malaysian military forced to shoot down a commercial airliner over their own country. To make it worse it is the country's own airline of which the government owns a majority interest.

However, they don't notice him so he decides it will be international chaos and greatly damage the government if he flies the plane as far into the Indian Ocean as fuel allows. He doesn't care if the plane is ever found, just that he has a plane with passenger nationalities from all around the world. The world will turn its attention to how the Malaysian government let this happen. Which is exactly what is now happening.

I am reposting this here because another poster asked for it:

My theory: The Pilot is known to be a strong political supporter of an opposition politician - Ibraham, whose "guilty to charges of sodomy" conviction was reinstated earlier on the same day as this flight. Meaning he can not participate in an upcoming election which some sources report he was bound to win.

The Pilot has seen bribes and corruption within his country. Earlier this very day he saw how corrupted the judicial branch is. He has long observed various corruptions and bribes within the airline industry, including cargo not being examined, passports being stolen and sold.

The Pilot had a friend - another pilot - over to play on the flight simulator a few months prior. That friend made an offhand, sarcastic remark, "Hey, things are so corrupt, even the military is compromised. I'd bet an unknown plane could cross our country and the military would never even know it!"

This thought sticks in the Pilot's head. He begins to wonder if this could really happen. He starts to play on the flight simulator, working out a plan as to how something like this could possibly happen. It is an intellectual challenge for him to "play this game". He eventually figures out a potential flight plan for something like this to happen. This is all just a "game" to the Pilot. But it is a fun game for him to play. He plays it over and over again.

The afternoon of the event, he becomes very upset when he learns that his chosen political candidate is going to be put back into jail. All hope is lost for changes to take place in his beloved country, to end the corruption.

He reports at the airport for duty that evening. He learns his co-pilot is to be the guy who was recently reprimanded by the airline for breaching cockpit safety by having females in the cockpit during a flight. This does not particularly please him. He is not in a good mood anyway. He and his wife had an argument before he left home earlier that evening. She accused him of spending too many hours in front of his flight simulator.

The flight takes off. The co-pilot is young and wants to engage in idle chatter. The Pilot is not in the mood for this. The co-pilot persists. The Pilot is rude to him, telling him to be quiet. At that point, just to see if anyone notices, the Pilot turns off the transponder. No one notices anything - not even the co-pilot. The pilot makes the last contact with ATC, saying "Alright, good night" instead of using the normal wording for sign-off. Once again, no one notices or acknowledges this was a deviation from protocol. The Pilot thinks to himself, "It really is as bad as I feared".

Next, the co-pilot says he must leave the cockpit to visit the toilet. By protocol, he is not supposed to leave the cockpit at this time. Anger floods the Pilot, as he realizes how lax both performance and discipline actually are within the Malaysian airline industry. He gives a curt nod, "Yes" to the co-pilot.

This is when the pilot turns off the second communication system. In his anger and frustration, somehow "the game" begins. The Pilot enters the well rehearsed coordinates of "the game" into the autopilot.

The co-pilot returns to the cockpit. The Pilot tells him he has just received directions to divert the flight due to ground problems. He tells the co-pilot that he has already programmed the needed changes into the autopilot. That they may need to return to the original airport. The co-pilot does not question this. The Pilot instructs the co-pilot to make a calm announcement to the passengers about the diversion. "Assure them there is nothing wrong with the plane" he says, "just say there is some ground problem." The co-pilot follows instructions and makes the announcement. This pacifies the passengers and the flight attendants.

The plane then turns and passes back over Malaysia. The Pilot wonders if he will be picked up on radar, if fighter jets will suddenly appear outside the cockpit window. None appear. Now the plane has begun a series of preprogrammed turns.

After some time, the co-pilot finally wonders why they have not received any further instructions from ATC. Because they are now far off course. He suggests the Pilot call in to ATC for updated instructions. The Pilot says no, he does not want to do that, they are fine, they will just wait to hear from ATC.

At some point the co-pilot FINALLY realizes something is very, very wrong. He attempts to call ATC but gets no response. Nothing! He turns to the Pilot and asks "What is going on? What have you done?"

The two men begin to struggle. The co-pilot attempts to manually take control of the plane. The plane ascends steeply, then descends sharply. Finally it regains altitude and levels. The Pilot sat passively in his seat as the co-pilot struggled to control the plane.

The Pilot realizes what he has done. He has played the ultimate game. As the co-pilot busies himself reprogramming the autopilot in order to get them back home safely, the Pilot calmly reaches out and shuts off the oxygen supply to both the cockpit and the cabin......

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I am probably going to change some things. And I invite anyone else who wants to add or subtract to feel free to do so.

I am thinking very much along the lines of these two theories of alioop and AlwaysShocked, it's awful to think the pilot would do this but I think we'll find it's something like this in the end

 

[gitana1]

I had a nap and had a crazy thought that perhaps MH370 "piggy-backed" another aircraft to not set off any radars off in it's path. Is this possible?

If the plane was close enough to not be detected as a separate object, I think it would have a problem with wake turbulence and I think the other plane would see it or detect it quite easily.

We have several "over the horizon" radar systems that would have detected it. Australia's northern approach is our biggest strategic liability and its watched very very closely at all times.

For those of you with Google Earth, jump on there and have a little look around the area of "Exmouth WA, 6707 Australia"

Yeah and really, that's the case with the continent on the northern corridor as well. You've got China, Russia, India, Pakistan and the US, all with tremendously long range radar that overlap and would cover well any and all approaches to the Asian continent. No way did that plane land anywhere on the continent (which covers all the Middle East, Pakistan, Russia, India, all the way through China) and not be easily detected. And if it did land on some remote island, it will never be able to go far from it without bring detected.

Finally, none of the nations with radar that would cover the area would need to steal a plane. They have their own. That goes for Iran, too, btw.

Would a flight simulator help a pilot achieve the expertise required to fly a plane of that size at 5000 ft ? Any aviators on board?

All commercial and cargo pilots already have the expertise to fly at 5,000 feet. Or any other altitude really, that planed can fly at.