Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #8

[ilovepierre]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

ITA.
I'm not on the "pilot did it" bandwagon, either.
Never have been.
Just because he had strong political views, doesn't mean he's going to hijack a plane full of people.
Plus the plane was mostly Chinese. If the pilot wanted to lash out at his own government, why would he bother to take out the Chinese on the plane?

 

[Tssiemer]

This is a terrible, terrible lax policy Malaysia has. No wonder the pre-911 terrorist meetings were held in Kuala Lumpur. They know they can all get in with no traces and no paperwork. You would think after those meetings became known, Malaysia would have changed their policy. :facepalm:

****Adding - it's as easy as obtaining stolen passports. And just walk in and walk out with no trace that you (the actual you) were even in the country. Just scary!

I did not know that.

I tried to do some research and all I found was a google book that mentions this, is it in the long commission report as well?

Here is the book search for it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=uqI_8M9vxCMC&pg=PT210&lpg=PT210&dq=9/11+terrorist+meetings+in+Malaysia&source=bl&ots=iTDUcVuEKx&sig=2FG9XvCGOnr4t3g8Tc7XkHocoWQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5lMmU6PVDYakyQH1x4DoBw&ved=0CGkQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=9%2F11%20terrorist%20meetings%20in%20Malaysia&f=false

 

[LadyL]

I can see them staying for a couple more days if they can get cheaper tickets. Unless they are rich, it can make a huge difference financially. If they are heading to a new country they will need a bit of a nest egg since there won't be any guarantee that they will have an income anytime soon.

if they only stayed one night at the old high school friend's ap't - I wonder where they were for the other 3-5 days/nights in Malaysia

 

[Brightbird]

I just find that whole situation weird. "Oh hi, I haven't seen you in a couple years ... you're moving to Germany? sounds good, would you and your friend who you just met yesterday and who is a stranger to me and who is a decade older than us care to stay at my place tonight and I'll drive you both to the airport tomorrow? and hey, just for kicks, let's print out your tickets at my house and check your flight data throughout the evening. Oh, you're both travelling on stolen passports? ok, whatevs ..."

They are in it up to their eyeballs IMO.

If it turns out that the passengers with the stolen passports are involved in the planes fate, then sure the whole situation will look suss. But I also reckon that it fits with what we have been told. I don't think it's all that strange that the high school friend from Iran would help an old friend and a stranger leave on stolen passports, which I think is probably common and accepted. Desperate people do desperate things and there is a whole network designed to facilitate people smuggling in SE Asia.

 

[revampz]

I do have a question for anyone who knows a bit about Malaysian politics.....

Most of Malaysia is Islamic...........now is there any Islamic groups (like the muslim brotherhood etc, that are behind the main political parties in Malaysia, especially the opposition.......

sorry if this sounds silly, but I really do not have much of a clue to Islamic politics....only what you hear on the radio re Egypt, Syria and the like.....there is always seem to be a Islamic faction trying to overthrow governments.........remember they have had civil riots in Malaysia re the government.....

and of course the Uighur cause needs to be considered....though going from a brutal random knife attacking slaughter to something this sophisticated doesn't seem to fit.

 

[Hatfield]

Which pilot? I thought the captain was the political fanatic and co pilot was just a play boy type.

You are right. I corrected my post. The pilot was the one with simulator (not copilot).

 

[JudyBolton]

Elle Elle,
I don't believe any of the passengers will survive this. If they are alive, anyone doing something like this surely won't have the decency to send them all home.

Another thing really bothering me is why does the media jump to the idea that the pilots are guilty? Suppose they are victims also? They should have stated from the beginning that, in any case, this is an act of terrorism. Every time there is any type of plane incident, the pilots are to blame immediately and more often than not, it is mechanical failure or terrorism. Sure, they could have been a part of this but I don't believe it. So the head pilot had strong political views? Boy, that covers a lot of people nowadays. Doesn't make them a murderer.

bbm - I tend to want to defend the pilots, too, but one bit of information that came out was that the pilot (we can only assume the M gov't checked his voice - and found it was indeed him) said "good night" to the controllers AFTER he turned off the transponder.

That is pretty damning evidence to me.... and THEN you look at the other things - that someone in control of the airplane knows what they are doing - know how to fly between radar paths, knows how to turn off other tracing devices. THEN you look at his recent history - upset with government, attended trial, etc. I know, I know - lots of pilots have strong opinions - but how many would care enough to attend the trial of someone on the day they are scheduled to fly all night? That shows a level of conviction that is unusual imho.

 

[revampz]

and re suitcases maybe spotted in the straits of Malacca...

back there again? that would render what they have been telling us for the last couple of days a bit out of whack..

 

[Bravo]

It is very sad that the pilot/s and Crew are scrutinized. However I think it's like any Investigation. You look at those closest to the Victim/event and work your way outward.

 

[sherlyholmes]

ITA.
I'm not on the "pilot did it" bandwagon, either.
Never have been.
Just because he had strong political views, doesn't mean he's going to hijack a plane full of people.
Plus the plane was mostly Chinese. If the pilot wanted to lash out at his own government, why would he bother to take out the Chinese on the plane?

Maybe the plan was to steal the plane with foreigners rather than with their own kind. Although i doubt these people are as considerate as we are.

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[txsvicki]

If the pilot trained other people with the simulator he could have been conned by a terrorist to enter into some plot and it all went to a suicide mission instead of a protest and hostage situation. Either that or there was mental illness, if the pilot did anything at all. The copilot could also be culprit, evidenced by living it up before the actual mission to do this.

 

[ElleElle]

I'm not worried about Israel. They are one of the few countries in the world that knows how to take care of themselves & I'm proud of them. I'm sad for the innocent passengers & crew & their families.

I am not either. If anything, attacking Israel would cause a world war. :twocents:

 

[CARIIS]

Ugh

I just discovered the Edit Options option!! Lord how much better. Less scrolling all over the place WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Hey while discovering anyone know if there is a spell check!!!!!!! That would be awesome with the typing

 

[popsicle]

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[ilovepierre]

Possible Al-Qaeda link to the plane's disappearance?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...egations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html

Evidence of a plot by Malaysian Islamists to hijack a passenger jet in a 9/11-style attack is being investigated in connection with the disappearance of Flight MH370
An al-Qaeda supergrass told a court last week that four to five Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door.
Security experts said the evidence from a convicted British terrorist was “credible”. The supergrass said that he had met the Malaysian jihadists – one of whom was a pilot – in Afghanistan and given them a shoe bomb to use to take control of an aircraft.

 

[CARIIS]

If the pilot trained other people with the simulator he could have been conned by a terrorist to enter into some plot and it all went to a suicide mission instead of a protest and hostage situation. Either that or there was mental illness, if the pilot did anything at all. The copilot could also be culprit, evidenced by living it up before the actual mission to do this.

If the pilot trained other people with the simulator he could have been conned by a terrorist t

Never thought of that - lets hope he has a very very small living room and very few friends..................

 

[revampz]

bbm - I tend to want to defend the pilots, too, but one bit of information that came out was that the pilot (we can only assume the M gov't checked his voice - and found it was indeed him) said "good night" to the controllers AFTER he turned off the transponder.

That is pretty damning evidence to me.... and THEN you look at the other things - that someone in control of the airplane knows what they are doing - know how to fly between radar paths, knows how to turn off other tracing devices. THEN you look at his recent history - upset with government, attended trial, etc. I know, I know - lots of pilots have strong opinions - but how many would care enough to attend the trial of someone on the day they are scheduled to fly all night? That shows a level of conviction that is unusual imho.

I am with you.....I don't want to think it is the pilot, because by all accounts he sounds like a very nice man....(friends reports, fundraising for the poor etc).....but everything just seems too much of a coincidence....
I said this the other day as well.... He flew hours after attending that trial...he certainly would have not been happy.....however I do hope it wasn't him...

 

[ElleElle]

About the passengers and cell phones:

-sorry this is a dumb question, but can they even use their cell phones once plane has reached flying altitude? I know they used to have the little phones where you had to pay to use them. I guess my quesiton is is it even possible to get reception on your cell phone at that altitude? So would the passengers have been able to contact anyone even if they still had their cell phones with them?

Of course, I am thinking that by the time the plane got in lower altitude (if the passengers were alive), the hijackers would have made sure they got everyone's cell phones by that time.

BBM~ No, but they could of dead from cabin depressurization and their cells phones could of pinged towers at low altitudes (500 feet).

It is not hard to incapacitate an aircraft cabin, apparently. Also, if MH370 reached altitudes of 45000 feet then 23000 feet, that would of killed them as well. The hijackers would not need to get their cell phones if this is the case.

 

[Plumeria5]

Oh, my! U.S. ships searching. Showing live on CNN. 2 military, one woman and one man,hwow: looking out over the ocean with binoculars.

 

[Tssiemer]

Ugh

I just discovered the Edit Options option!! Lord how much better. Less scrolling all over the place WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Lol what?