MassGuy
The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed
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I have seen lots of comments on news stories from people upset this was being followed up on. In most overdoses, there may not be any way to determine who provided the drugs. But in this case there was, because it was probably given by a physician. I fully support these investigations.
Shame on all of them. jmo
I am not so sure. Physicians prescribe medications, based on symptoms presented by the patient. If a patient does not follow the prescribed dosage, or takes other substances with the medication that is contraindicated, how is this the responsibility of the physician? This also includes participation in activities that are contraindicated by the medication instructions.
Physicians are so fearful of the "witch hunts" for over prescribing opiods, that qualified medical providers that manage chronic pain are difficult to find. Case in point, my husband has a documented service connected injury, from service in the military in a war zone. He has shrapnel in his back. Even, 50 years later from his injury, shards of metal come out of his skin. They were too small or embedded to remove surgically.
Physicians have refused to provide pain medication to him. A decorated military veteran was told to "do yoga" to control his pain. He can barely move. We have to drive over 300 miles to a qualified pain management provider each month for his meds. And arrests of providers who do give opioid prescriptions means maybe less physicians will provide needed care for people who have chronic pain conditions.
These were two doctors that were writing apparently bogus prescripts and not injecting him in the office, but giving it to him for home use, knowing his history. The were providing it for recreational use.I am not so sure. Physicians prescribe medications, based on symptoms presented by the patient. If a patient does not follow the prescribed dosage, or takes other substances with the medication that is contraindicated, how is this the responsibility of the physician? This also includes participation in activities that are contraindicated by the medication instructions.
Physicians are so fearful of the "witch hunts" for over prescribing opiods, that qualified medical providers that manage chronic pain are difficult to find. Case in point, my husband has a documented service connected injury, from service in the military in a war zone. He has shrapnel in his back. Even, 50 years later from his injury, shards of metal come out of his skin. They were too small or embedded to remove surgically.
Physicians have refused to provide pain medication to him. A decorated military veteran was told to "do yoga" to control his pain. He can barely move. We have to drive over 300 miles to a qualified pain management provider each month for his meds. And arrests of providers who do give opioid prescriptions means maybe less physicians will provide needed care for people who have chronic pain conditions.
These were two doctors that were writing apparently bogus prescripts and not injecting him in the office, but giving it to him for home use, knowing his history. The were providing it for recreational use.
I don't know enough about the case to say one way or another if these docs were supplying for recreational use or if the scripts were bogus, but just chiming in to say that Ketamine can be used at home and someone's history of substance use should be taken into account, but isn't a contraindication to treatment. Ketamine is used off label for a number of health conditions, including mental health conditions, but its use is controversial in general. I'll be curious to read the details of what these doctors did in the coming weeks.
It's in the affadavits, outright fraud by these doctors, using other patient's prescriptions and lying/creating false patients for the suppliers. This isn't about grey areas of treatment modalities.I don't know enough about the case to say one way or another if these docs were supplying for recreational use or if the scripts were bogus, but just chiming in to say that Ketamine can be used at home and someone's history of substance use should be taken into account, but isn't a contraindication to treatment. Ketamine is used off label for a number of health conditions, including mental health conditions, but its use is controversial in general. I'll be curious to read the details of what these doctors did in the coming weeks.
Exactly how I feel. If it was a "normal" member of society, they would have been written off as an overdose, no investigation. It was only happenstance that this investigation discovered someone else died and charged the person responsible. I am not trying to negate Matthew Perry's death, I just wish the law was applied equally to everyone who has taken tainted drugs or overdosed. I have lost someone to an overdose and it sucks, but the law wasn't applied to his death, because he wasn't a celebrity or someone who seemed to have a greater value to the world at large.From the article:
Guess it's uncommon if you're unfortunate enough to just be a normal member of society.
Matthew Perry death investigation: Actor's assistant, doctors among 5 charged in his ketamine overdose
Two doctors, among others, have been charged in the overdose death of Matthew Perry. He died on Oct. 28, 2023.www.yahoo.com
Perry became addicted apparently when he was being treated for depression. Then his treating physicians refused to increase his doses as he wanted. So Perry started going elsewhere. The new doctor was just interested in making money as evidenced by the texts with the other doctor (who allegedly was illegally diverting Ketamine from his own clinic) saying "I wonder how much is this moron will pay?" These docs, through their DEA credentials and prescription writing privileges are just selling Ketamine and other controlled substances for cash. AND to someone they knew or should have known was addicted.
It sounds like these people were already on the Fed's radar anyway and that was part of the reason for the scope of the investigation.
It's in the affadavits, outright fraud by these doctors, using other patient's prescriptions and lying/creating false patients for the suppliers. This isn't about grey areas of treatment modalities.
JMO
I can't find a link yet either - I suppose there will be multiples, one for each person. However prosecutors were essentially quoting from it in the news conference.Where is the affadavit? I didn't see it linked in the thread but might have missed it.
I think maybe people are misunderstanding why this was investigated as it was. First, in many overdose cases, there isn't much if any trail to follow. If it is bought off the street, real names aren't used, cash, there is no path for police to follow. This case different for two reasons. Perry was leaving tracks as to who was involved (his PA). But also, these folks were already being investigated by authorities. So they didn't have to start from scratch.Exactly how I feel. If it was a "normal" member of society, they would have been written off as an overdose, no investigation. It was only happenstance that this investigation discovered someone else died and charged the person responsible. I am not trying to negate Matthew Perry's death, I just wish the law was applied equally to everyone who has taken tainted drugs or overdosed. I have lost someone to an overdose and it sucks, but the law wasn't applied to his death, because he wasn't a celebrity or someone who seemed to have a greater value to the world at large.
JMO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.
Not necessarily. If a "real person" OD's, they can definitely get people in trouble.From the article:
Guess it's uncommon if you're unfortunate enough to just be a normal member of society.