branwynbreeze
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This is where I tend to get lost. I want to know what happened to FG. I do not place blind faith in police officers. I respect their job but don't give them a pass just because of it. However, when people cannot wait for facts and instead want to behave like a lynch mob, when it seems as if people do not care who pays so long as 6 degrees of people do, they've lost me, I find myself defending the side I was previously looking at with suspicion because some seem not to care if they are creating victims so long as they get a pound of flesh.Just because someone 'dies' in someones care , it does not mean they are guilty of a crime.
And not all of the 6 officers were in charge of FG when he died.
Something that caught my attention was an interview with an anonymous cop that said Gray was well known and had been used as an informant. IF, and big IF is that someone maybe connected to the heroin trafficking wanted him taken out. [The undisclosed stop].
I am a big fan of The Wire, so maybe I have just been watching too many crime dramas....but the news on the Baltimore Patriots coming out today really makes Baltimore look bad, too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/
I imagine across America a mass spike in LE disability retirements citing PTSD from the last year's episodes alone. I bet the current LE standards will have to be reviewed and changed to fill the many vacant spots. When I lived in NC a few years ago, LE new hires had to have a college degree. I bet that will change now.
I am just so curious about why this particular 'ride' led to a death. I think they left many arrestees unbuckled in the van. Why did FG die when hundreds of others did not?
Something that caught my attention was an interview with an anonymous cop that said Gray was well known and had been used as an informant. IF, and big IF is that someone maybe connected to the heroin trafficking wanted him taken out. [The undisclosed stop].
I am a big fan of The Wire, so maybe I have just been watching too many crime dramas....but the news on the Baltimore Patriots coming out today really makes Baltimore look bad, too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/
I think that's extremely far fetched. If somebody wanted him taken out, they could have done so while he was out on the street, and not inside a police van.
Something that caught my attention was an interview with an anonymous cop that said Gray was well known and had been used as an informant. IF, and big IF is that someone maybe connected to the heroin trafficking wanted him taken out. [The undisclosed stop].
I am a big fan of The Wire, so maybe I have just been watching too many crime dramas....but the news on the Baltimore Patriots coming out today really makes Baltimore look bad, too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/
BOSTON Patriots....Not BALTIMORE PAtriots....:floorlaugh:
BOSTON Patriots....Not BALTIMORE PAtriots....:floorlaugh:
I am just so curious about why this particular 'ride' led to a death. I think they left many arrestees unbuckled in the van. Why did FG die when hundreds of others did not?
Re: The Wire...me too! I mentioned it yesterday. It's such a phenomenal show!
Re: The "Baltimore" Patriots.
Yes, there is negative news today about the Patriots. Except they are the New England Patriots. The Baltimore Ravens were playing them during the Deflate Gate game. LOL!!
Is it possible that Freddie Gray's death was just such a freak accident?
Does the prosecution have to prove that it was not such a freak accident? Or is it enough to prove that he went into the van alive and died within days after coming out of the van? Is that enough to convict law enforcement officers of the murder and manslaughter charges?
I'd just like to ask where is a reference for hundreds of others being unbuckled? It's against departmental policy to be unbuckled.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=1
I'd just like to ask where is a reference for hundreds of others being unbuckled? It's against departmental policy to be unbuckled.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=1
The policy mandating that prisoners be buckled in came into effect a few death before FG's arrest. Up until the change in policy it was left up to the officers discretion.
[Nicole] Leake would deny that she gave him what is known in Baltimore as a rough ride, where the van is driven in such a fashion as to jounce and jangle the prisoners. She did estimate that she reached a nearby police station in less than half the time it would have taken at the speed limit.
When she arrived at the District and opened the back door of the van, Mr. Johnson was lying on the floor of the van and could not move, court papers say.
Well, then it should have been required 10 years ago.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...istory-of-accidentally-killing-its-perps.html
The 'rough ride' is a well known tactic to inflict fear, damage, or pain without being held accountable for it or directly inflicting it.
We know about the earlier death and have discussed it here. It has not happened again in ten years. Why did FG die and none others if it is so widespread and common?
Something that caught my attention was an interview with an anonymous cop that said Gray was well known and had been used as an informant. IF, and big IF is that someone maybe connected to the heroin trafficking wanted him taken out. [The undisclosed stop].
I am a big fan of The Wire, so maybe I have just been watching too many crime dramas....but the news on the Baltimore Patriots coming out today really makes Baltimore look bad, too.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/