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Daughter and two sons! bitofhope
A good friend was mowed down by a drunk driver when I was 15, and 4 months before my first child was born, my former sister in law's nephew and friend were mowed down. Both by drunk drivers. It's possible she sold the ticket for cash before she ever boarded. It's possible she made it back to NYC. It's all possible -- and the reason I have been so far down so many rabbit holes. My parents checked local morgues often before electronic stuff became available, and a relative of my dad's was working the interpol stuff. I have worked with the us marshal service And several local PD along the journey. It has been gut wrenching.
Yes, I worked with the rcmp on a separate case in the western part of the country, her case is known to them. Additionally, there was a case on qe 401, the hwy 81 becomes when it crosses into ontario, it wasn't Judy. That was when I was 17; my mom was on sabbatical in Texas, I was a freshman in college, taking care of my father and brother. We were planning a memorial for her, then that doe's denrals didn't match.So I created a web with three epicenters. I chose Philly as one because if the bus did stop (idk the route or bus line), it would have stopped in the middle or shortly after depature. I have taken the Greyhound here and they stop about 40 mins after the bus departs around dinner time to eat and smoke, they do the same on the way back. The route I took is around 2-3 hours as well. Back then they might have stopped later than sooner. Atlantic city is not far off the route and the border isn't as close, but it's still a hop and a skip away. Has there been any efforts to connect with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?
Sorry for my ignorance and if I am pressing too much, there just really is nothing in terms of details I could find. I am truly empathetic for all the stuff you have had to endure over this situation and will do all I can (even if it isn't much) to help.I should likely disclose: I know the areas well. I live in the philly suburbs, lived here 20 years ago too. Lived in md not far from rte 95 for 2 years, and worked in midtown west (nyc) for a few years. Still have family in NYC, Maryland, and upstate ny. Have been on 81 full length and 95 full length, as well as several road trips coast to coast. To put a search party out for Judy with so many variables would be impossible. That's why I have relied on uid & local pd, as well as reaching out to the us marshal service to find out if she was in protective custody, going public on chopped & long island press story, casting a wide net.
It's not ignorance. I appreciate your willingness to help, truly. By the same token, I don't want to see you spinning your wheels. <3. You would have no way of knowing my geography or specific cases I have "worked" I do wonder why this was moved & merged from the cold case thread. That irks me. I want to keep looking because, frankly, if in fact she is alive, she is entitled to inheritance!Sorry for my ignorance and if I am pressing too much, there just really is nothing in terms of details I could find. I am truly empathetic for all the stuff you have had to endure over this situation and will do all I can (even if it isn't much) to help.
It's not ignorance. I appreciate your willingness to help, truly. By the same token, I don't want to see you spinning your wheels. <3. You would have no way of knowing my geography or specific cases I have "worked" I do wonder why this was moved & merged from the cold case thread. That irks me. I want to keep looking because, frankly, if in fact she is alive, she is entitled to inheritance!
Maybe. But she and I always had a special relationship. I was her kid sister. The reason I have been *so public* and easily found is so she can reach me. If you search her, you will find me. If you search me, you find her. Now that the priests have been outed and defrocked, mom and dad, aunt Carol and uncle bill, all of her gparents are dead, I can't imagine her not wanting to reach out if she is alive. That likely sounds incredibly self absorbed , but I'm telling you, it was special between us.Hi Maureen, I know a lot of people from rich family's who don't want money from their deceased family, for all sorts of reasons. If Judy is still alive, she can find you and all you posted. I can't imagine that she is not wanting to meet you if she knows you are searching for her....but sometimes the past is to painful, better to leave it alone (talking about Judy's perspective) and money is just money.
Maybe. But she and I always had a special relationship. I was her kid sister. The reason I have been *so public* and easily found is so she can reach me. If you search her, you will find me. If you search me, you find her. Now that the priests have been outed and defrocked, mom and dad, aunt Carol and uncle bill, all of her gparents are dead, I can't imagine her not wanting to reach out if she is alive. That likely sounds incredibly self absorbed , but I'm telling you, it was special between us.
Janiss, the last time I personally saw her in person, was Nov 30th 1980. She was on the TV the night of Jan 19, 1981 (might have been the night before the inauguration, the 18th). Other family members have claimed they saw her a couple of years later, in east Brunswick, nj. But they were hesitant to share the info (cue wtf). I know the hurt she felt. I know the shame my parents felt. Our family has never been the same. When I was working on the midtown doe angle, my mother was PISSED at me for including her maiden name, mcgrorty-- again, why? Seriously, why would.you be angry? Your daughter is missing. And she made bad choices. Her choices, not yours. MehMaureen
... I was having a conversation earlier, and was reminded of comments you have written and their importance to sketching out where you have been with your search. The conversation was about how many family members - myself included - have talked about having thoughts and feelings, intuition and experiences, that validate a belief, in whether or not their missing loved one is living ... In earlier posts you expressed your thoughts about Judy having returned to NY Nov 1980, being last sighted January 1981 and having died sometime later, maybe 3 years ... If possible, I'd like to know if there has been a shift in thinking ... and if you feel they are important markers along the way. Thanks.
This is Judy's story, woven into mine, in my voice, bonus: pix of me, my kids, and hubby. <3
Janiss, the last time I personally saw her in person, was Nov 30th 1980. She was on the TV the night of Jan 19, 1981 (might have been the night before the inauguration, the 18th). Other family members have claimed they saw her a couple of years later, in east Brunswick, nj. But they were hesitant to share the info (cue wtf). I know the hurt she felt. I know the shame my parents felt. Our family has never been the same. When I was working on the midtown doe angle, my mother was PISSED at me for including her maiden name, mcgrorty-- again, why? Seriously, why would.you be angry? Your daughter is missing. And she made bad choices. Her choices, not yours. Meh
I am whining.
I have vacillated on whether I think she is dead or alive - I am mostly on the she's dead side, no idea when, where, or how. That's why I have been down so many rabbit holes trying to find her so she can finally be laid to rest. Knowing her lifestyle, there's little chance she made it much more than a year. She always came home for money or charging phone calls to my parents number.
She told my dad at their last goodbye, that she recognized she screwed up and that she wanted to come home to finish her GED
So I created a web with three epicenters. I chose Philly as one because if the bus did stop (idk the route or bus line), it would have stopped in the middle or shortly after depature. I have taken the Greyhound here and they stop about 40 mins after the bus departs around dinner time to eat and smoke, they do the same on the way back. The route I took is around 2-3 hours as well. Back then they might have stopped later than sooner. Atlantic city is not far off the route and the border isn't as close, but it's still a hop and a skip away. Has there been any efforts to connect with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police?
What bus line was it?Beginning in Baltimore ... in 1980, I'm thinking the the downtown bus station was on Fayette St ... true?
What bus line was it?