ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 8

[Lavanda Dolce]

I have known people that will remove their own stitches, or even do something like remove the cast after the time it was supposed to have healed, among other things. The bad thing about that in this situation is that this is a young child, and it's quite ignorant in my opinion, to do such a thing on an adult, let alone a child! The doctor is an educated medical professional. The dad or other family that I'm aware of is not. Just because it's supposed to heal in a certain amount of time does not mean it always does! If Justin was doing the thinking and did remove the soft cast, then obviously he didn't need care and control of this beautiful little girl, and he needs to let someone else take over for him on the thinking. This is always a big pet peeve of mine.


MOO

And if they removed the cast...why lie to the police and say she had a cast on? Guess it wouldn't have crossed their mind that cops would have been urgently searching for a child with a cast? If she was truly abducted they would have given the true story as to what she had on and included the cast was off. I just do not believe she had those pj's on and/or the cast. One or the other is not making sense. Why lie about the pajamas? OR...why lie about the cast?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

snipped by me: I agree - and the video of her dancing around the room, while a Christmas cartoon played (Frosty?) has her arm free of any cast or sling and she is moving it freely.

In Justin's interview he said she wasn't bending it freely. Yet she appeared to be waving it all around in the video. His words: "DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared.
"She wasn't bending it, but she would take (the splint) off sometimes, and she was getting to the point where she was starting to use that arm again," he said." http://www.pressherald.com/news/aylas-father-explains-how-toddlers-arm-was-broken_2012-01-07.html

Now...I am going to say she must be quite the ambidextrous child to remove the soft cast. Again..a soft cast is not an ace bandage. It is a plastic "brace' special wrapped heavy gauze that is padded and an ace bandage applied on top of that. I quite doubt she could "take it off' on her own...perhaps start to pull on the ace bandage and maybe even start to unwrap that...but if any adult is watching they would stop the child in time. I believe he quit putting that cast on her period. I believe they, and I say THEY, as other adults in the home...were lazy..just my imo and from the video she does not have that soft cast on...yet we are to believe that on the night in question he wanted to be sure she went to bed in those long sleeve tight arm pajama's with the soft cast on? I don't think so. So why lie? Why lie and say she had the cast on? To be "saved from TR in not caring for Ayla properly?" Knowing full well the PD would be scanning cars in the immediate area for a child with a cast? I think this "cast" is going to play a large role here. Who knows...far as we know they may have found it in the house when they took over it as evidence.

 

[tlcya]

McCausland says investigators have contact with the three adults who were the last to see Ayla, but that's about it. "The circumstances under their first version that the child was abducted, we dispelled weeks ago because it just doesn't hold water," McCausland said.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/1...-probe-continues?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

 

[tamild]

Since we are talking about the broken arm, I was wondering if we've ever received confirmation about the date of the incident. The only place that we have a date of November 4th is from the Reynold's family timeline. LE had said that the incident was about 3 weeks before Ayla went missing.
http://bangordailynews.com/2011/12/20/news/state/police-following-up-on-more-than-100-tips-in-missing-girl-case/

She had a soft cast on her left arm because she broke her arm in a fall three weeks ago, Massey said Monday.

In another report, LE called it "several" weeks ago.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Waterville-toddler-missing.html

Rumsey said police conducted extensive interviews and believe there is nothing suspicious about the broken arm, which he said was suffered in an accident several weeks ago.

I'm not doubting the Reynold's account, but I've wondered if was a typo? It seemed odd that the ER visit was on the 5th, but the appointment with the specialist was on the 21st according to the timeline. Aren't ER follow ups usually within a few days? Or was there a follow up visit that isn't in the timeline, like with a pediatrician? My family has never had an experience with a broken bone (knock wood) so I don't know what is standard.

 

[tamild]

McCausland says investigators have contact with the three adults who were the last to see Ayla, but that's about it. "The circumstances under their first version that the child was abducted, we dispelled weeks ago because it just doesn't hold water," McCausland said.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/1...-probe-continues?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

FIRST version? Very interesting...

 

[tlcya]

The lack of information about the investigation into the toddler's disappearance has raised the question what role the insurance policy plays. State police won't confirm the existence of the policy and Ayla's father, Justin DiPietro, could not be reached for comment.

Covering children with life insurance policies is routine, according to a senior official at the state agency that regulates insurance companies and brokers in Maine said.

"Parents having life insurance on their children is not at all uncommon. In fact, many group life insurance plans have dependents' coverage because children do pass away," said Tom Record, senior staff attorney for the Maine Bureau of Insurance.

Charles Reeves, a family-law attorney in Waterville, said he would never consider buying a life insurance policy on a child, but added that the existence of a policy doesn't signify something illegal in the Ayla investigation.

http://www.kjonline.com/news/insura...in-taking-out-policy-on-child_2012-02-17.html

I agree many responsible parents buy insurance policies on their children. Many parents do not do so within weeks of taking custody of their child who subsequently disappears.

I haven't seen much about or from JD which gives me the impression he is a responsible parent or person in general and THAT is my own problem with the insurance policy taken out on Ayla.

 

[tlcya]

FIRST version? Very interesting...

IKR? Gives the impression there have been other versions the public is not in the loop about.

 

[ThoughtFox]

McCausland says investigators have contact with the three adults who were the last to see Ayla, but that's about it. "The circumstances under their first version that the child was abducted, we dispelled weeks ago because it just doesn't hold water," McCausland said.

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/1...-probe-continues?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|large

Thanks! It can't be said enough - it didn't pass the "smell test" so someone is lying!

I think the "second version" must be whatever spin they put on the story after the blood was found in the basement.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

Why did he report she had ON a soft cast? If he removed it on his own then why tell the police to look for a child with a cast on? I do not buy that he took it off, put on those long sleeve pajamas and then applied the soft cast on top. I can assure you that it would NOT have fit underneath....For that matter a soft cast would not have fit in the sleeve at all even if they cut it to make it short sleeve. She would have had to wear stretchy short sleeve, larger tshirts to sleep in or things of that nature. Not those pajamas. In the end, I believe we will find out that IF she had on those pajamas...she did not have her soft cast on.

IDK, everything JD has done has raised the "why" question for me. It started right at the beginning when he wouldn't come out to talk to the media and got worse when he did.

 

[MagnoliaMom]

And if they removed the cast...why lie to the police and say she had a cast on? Guess it wouldn't have crossed their mind that cops would have been urgently searching for a child with a cast? If she was truly abducted they would have given the true story as to what she had on and included the cast was off. I just do not believe she had those pj's on and/or the cast. One or the other is not making sense. Why lie about the pajamas? OR...why lie about the cast?

BBM If she wasn't abducted, then everything has been a lie. IMO that is why nothing makes any sense.

Maybe it did cross their minds that the cops would be searching for a child in a cast.

 

[cluciano63]

Whether Ayla had the cast on or not, she should have had it on, or they wouldn't have said it was missing. It would have been innoncently laying about the house, whereever she had taken it off before going to bed, if there was any truth in what they are claiming. So the cast was removed from the house as well as Ayla, IMO. JD would know that TR would expect there to be a cast in the "missing" info. JMO

 

[HiHater]

I was thinking about when I broke my ankle. It was healed in 6 weeks. If Ayla's arm was broken on Nov. 4 (taken to ER on Nov. 5) she should have been fully healed by the Dec. 16th appointment. That would be 6 weeks exactly from the ER visit. So this basically should have been a wellness check and release visit. Maybe JD didn't think this appointment was important and removed the soft cast. I've known people to cut their own hard casts off. She shouldn't have had any trouble getting in those pajamas if he had taken the cast off and her arm was healed.

http://www.doctorsecrets.com/your-bones/time-to-heal-broken-bone.htm
Time for bones to heal:


On another note, there has been some mention about JD not taking Ayla for her booster shots. I don't have a link. I have just seen it mentioned in the thread somewhere. I know a woman who was contacted by DHHS regarding this and told if she did not get there pronto they would be investigating. She was getting the vaccinations through the health department and maybe they are more thorough than a private doctor. Does anyone know if all doctors and agencies report quickly regarding vaccinations?

If she was passed off to someone (which would be my hope though I don't feel a lot of hope at this point), could she be tracked through vaccination records at some point? You can't go to school without them.

It is not mandatory to get your children vaccinated. At all. I vaccinate my children, but I do so on a delayed schedule. That means that I don't let them get all the shots they "need" at the time frames imposed by doctors. If you have time google it, because there are many people like me who realize that vaccinations are important, but should be done in a way that coincide with beliefs and research.

ETA: Many states allow un-vaccinated kids to attend school if they have a waiver (religious/medical beliefs/etc.) against vaccinating.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

These cases are driving me mad and doing my head in..... how is it so many can disappear with no one being held accountable.

I wish there was a way of putting all concern in a lock down situation (not real prison), but where there life could be hindered until the truth came out.

I know for myself it wouldn't bother me because I would want to be close to the investigation and would want my child found and would do anything to achieve that ..... but at least those that are hiding and don't really care would not be able to "just go on with life like nothing had happened"

Sorry just venting I usually don't say much, but enough is enough. These kids didn't ask to be brought into this world but they are and then shown no respect but treated more like a throw away toy.

End of rant ......:banghead:

Crazy thought by me...but in response to a lock down situation...I, too, would want to be at the heart of the investigation and with people as concerned as I if my child disappeared.

AND...don't jurists often need to be in a lock down of some sort while on a case?

AND the jury are not even involved in the situation. Soooo.... why couldn't there be a similar situation with those surrounding missing persons?

Please be gentle when you don't agree. It is just a thought.

 

[tamild]

I so wish that LE would give up just a few details. For instance, they dispelled the abduction theory because it doesn't hold water, pass the smell test, or whatever. Why? I know they have said that there isn't any evidence of an abduction, but what evidence SHOULD there be of an abduction? Did they find evidence of a "fake" abduction, or simply nothing at all? Are the 3 telling stories that are in direct conflict with each other? Do they simply not buy the story because the feel someone should've heard something, as they've stated before? We know there was blood, at least some of it belonging to Ayla, found in the basement. Was it of a sufficient quantity that they believe Ayla is no longer alive? Or is the explanation given for the blood not supported by evidence?

Sorry, just feeling frustrated because it feels like every time LE gives us something, it's more questions than answers. I know they have their reasons, and I support them in everything they are doing. I just wish we knew a tiny bit more. However, if playing their cards close is what gets Ayla found, more power to them and Godspeed. :twocents:

 

[MagnoliaMom]

It is not mandatory to get your children vaccinated. At all. I vaccinate my children, but I do so on a delayed schedule. That means that I don't let them get all the shots they "need" at the time frames imposed by doctors. If you have time google it, because there are many people like me who realize that vaccinations are important, but should be done in a way that coincide with beliefs and research.

ETA: Many states allow un-vaccinated kids to attend school if they have a waiver (religious/medical beliefs/etc.) against vaccinating.

Thank you, I have never heard of religion getting you out of vaccinations.
Vaccination policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All states but West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemptions

I am in Mississippi and religion won't help you here.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Due to her growing concerns of infrequent visitations, lack of communication from Justin, missing doctor visits and Ayla's injuries while under Justin's care (documented with doctors and DHHS)*
Aylareynolds.com

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question. Jessica Reynolds, you are the child`s maternal aunt. You were watching the little girl at the time that the mother went into rehab, and then the dad comes and takes the child away. Had you told Children Services, "Hey, she keeps getting hurt, reportedly, allegedly, when with the father"?

J. REYNOLDS: Well, I can say we have reported it many times, to department of health and human services, to answer that question that was just asked. I didn`t let the child go with him. I was told I had to give the child to him. It was not an option.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/ng.01.html

In refreshing my memory of the case by searching back thru old news articles via Google and in rereading thru askforina's awesome timeline of articles and interviews from the onset(I cannot say thank you enough to askforina for doing such a fabulous job of transcribing and organizing for us this timeline :blowkisses: ) .. One of the many details that I was reminded of is the fact that I know that many still up til this present time are under the impression that Trista did NOT do anything about *the multiple occasions of abuse that Ayla suffered on her few visits with Justin.. The "ballpit" at CEC incident where Ayla suffered multiple bruises on&about her face and ear.. That Justin described as Ayla physically fighting in this ball pit with two unknown boys.(Trista photographed the injuries thoroughly). I am literally dumbfounded as even his story if true is absolute epitome of abuse via neglect at the bare minimum.. Along with another incident that Justin stated they were "just horsing around" that resulted in Ayla having a pulled muscle in her leg that caused her pain and discomfort to the point of affecting her ability to walk.. Trista took her to the pediatrician and that is who dx it as pulled muscles which took more than 3 weeks to heal..

ALL OF THE INCIDENTS WERE NOT ONLY THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED THRU PHOTOS, written record, and dr's involvement.. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY WERE ALL REPORTED INCIDENTS TO DHS!!!

that seems to have been lost on several.. As I have continued to see posts going as far as to literally place blame and responsibility on Trista for Ayla's disappearance for the supposed misinformed fact that she had not done anything about these incidents.. Especially reporting to DHS..

I believe this obviously needs to be reiterated that this mother did do all within her power to document thoroughly as well as report to DHS these incidents of abuse..

I can personally tell you that literally is the absolute following to the tee what is the letter of the law in how these incidents are handled.. She in fact could NOT do not even a smidgen more, period.. This is our system and presently this is how it works.. This mother did everything humanly possible as well as legally possible to handle these incidents of abuse, period..

There are some very serious issues involving DHS that literally failed Ayla and has cost her, her life.. These issues need to be broached and anyone in the system or knowledge of dealing with the system in terms of legal matters know that the very best recourse to take in order to truly initiate forward movement in shining a bright light, honest discussion and changes in this system.. The very best action is a law suit.. It's not about money it's about making necessary changes to a system that is failing the well being of our children..

 

[HiHater]

Wouldn't the bruising and pulled leg muscle have occurred BEFORE DHHS involvement? According to the timeline, DHHS did not get involved until October, and the respective injuries happened in September.

JMO IMHO MOO etc.

 

[askfornina]

In refreshing my memory of the case by searching back thru old news articles via Google and in rereading thru askforina's awesome timeline of articles and interviews from the onset(I cannot say thank you enough to askforina for doing such a fabulous job of transcribing and organizing for us this timeline :blowkisses: ) .. One of the many details that I was reminded of is the fact that I know that many still up til this present time are under the impression that Trista did NOT do anything about *the multiple occasions of abuse that Ayla suffered on her few visits with Justin.. The "ballpit" at CEC incident where Ayla suffered multiple bruises on&about her face and ear.. That Justin described as Ayla physically fighting in this ball pit with two unknown boys.(Trista photographed the injuries thoroughly). I am literally dumbfounded as even his story if true is absolute epitome of abuse via neglect at the bare minimum.. Along with another incident that Justin stated they were "just horsing around" that resulted in Ayla having a pulled muscle in her leg that caused her pain and discomfort to the point of affecting her ability to walk.. Trista took her to the pediatrician and that is who dx it as pulled muscles which took more than 3 weeks to heal..

ALL OF THE INCIDENTS WERE NOT ONLY THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED THRU PHOTOS, written record, and dr's involvement.. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THEY WERE ALL REPORTED INCIDENTS TO DHS!!!

that seems to have been lost on several.. As I have continued to see posts going as far as to literally place blame and responsibility on Trista for Ayla's disappearance for the supposed misinformed fact that she had not done anything about these incidents.. Especially reporting to DHS..

I believe this obviously needs to be reiterated that this mother did do all within her power to document thoroughly as well as report to DHS these incidents of abuse..

I can personally tell you that literally is the absolute following to the tee what is the letter of the law in how these incidents are handled.. She in fact could NOT do not even a smidgen more, period.. This is our system and presently this is how it works.. This mother did everything humanly possible as well as legally possible to handle these incidents of abuse, period..

There are some very serious issues involving DHS that literally failed Ayla and has cost her, her life.. These issues need to be broached and anyone in the system or knowledge of dealing with the system in terms of legal matters know that the very best recourse to take in order to truly initiate forward movement in shining a bright light, honest discussion and changes in this system.. The very best action is a law suit.. It's not about money it's about making necessary changes to a system that is failing the well being of our children..

BBM. You are welcome! :blowkiss: Jumping off your post to say I will be updating it asap, probably tonight.

 

[Helenstreet]

It is not mandatory to get your children vaccinated. At all. I vaccinate my children, but I do so on a delayed schedule. That means that I don't let them get all the shots they "need" at the time frames imposed by doctors. If you have time google it, because there are many people like me who realize that vaccinations are important, but should be done in a way that coincide with beliefs and research.

ETA: Many states allow un-vaccinated kids to attend school if they have a waiver (religious/medical beliefs/etc.) against vaccinating.

Actually, the last time I checked, 48 out of the 50 states allow a religious and/or philosophical waiver in addition to the medical vaccine waiver. We chose not to vaccinate our 4 children, and if you register them for school, you must request a vaccine waiver form--they don't automatically offer it. The majority mindset amongst parents is that vaccines are mandatory no matter what, unfortunately. Regarding the topic, I don't believe that any alert would be issued because Justin failed to take Ayla to her doctor's appointments for vaccine boosters. I also don't believe that Justin chose not to vaccinate Ayla due to his researching the controversial issues of immunizations or anything like that. Quite frankly, I am of the perspective that either Justin didn't take Ayla to her doctor's appointments because she was already gone, or it just wasn't a priority for him to take care of Ayla's routine needs. Just my opinion.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Wouldn't the bruising and pulled leg muscle have occurred BEFORE DHHS involvement? According to the timeline, DHHS did not get involved until October, and the reIspective injuries happened in September.*

JMO IMHO MOO etc.

Regarding the exact timeline of incident paired with exact time of reporting is knowledge we are not privy to at this time.. *If questioning the fact of Trista's reporting by suggesting one of the abusive incidents occurred prior to DHS involvement.. Therefor that somehow equals that the claim of her having reported these incidents is false I find to be baseless due to the fact that thus far Trista has not made statements of when incidents were reported..
Therefor I beg to differ that it somehow means its untrue.. For instance with the incident of the pulled muscle being prior to DhS involvement, as you state, I would find it likely that Trista did just as she states that she did in taking her to a pediatrician for the injury.. Thereby documenting this incident.. It makes logical sense that you would want to believe that this injury was an innocent happening and there would've been no need to report it to DHS if there were no injuries to follow..

Since we know for precious Ayla that however was not the case and that in fact there were multiple injuries that followed.. Therefor Trista having properly sought medical attention for her daughter's leg injury allowed there to be a doctors documentation of the injury.. So, that when the injuries that were to follow and Trista then deciding it was not as she'd hoped of it being just a one time fluke accident.. And at that point reporting the now multiple incidents (as in more than one) Trista was easily able to provide the medical documentation to include in her report the incident involving Ayla's leg injury..

Trista did the correct thing in tho, not immediately seeking DHS involvement upon the first incident involving the leg due to the fact that she wanted to believe what the father was telling her in that it was an accident.. But she did however seek medical attention for her daughter and because of that decision she was able to easily include the prior leg injury with full medical documentation to DHS..

IMO to suggest that she didn't report to DHS because one of the injuries was prior to DHS involvement IMO is just baseless and nonsensical.. As just described above is exactly how I personally would have handled it as well with it being a "first time incident" you want to believe your child's father when he tells you it was an accident.. But do seek the medical attention as
Is needed per the injury to your child.. It would only become necessary to involve DHS if injuries continued.. As they did in this case and at that time as a parent you have no choice to involve whatever services necessary(DHS) in order to attempt protecting your child.. Sadly protecting your child from their very own parent..