Bounceycat
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I don't think Charlot123 was talking about monetary inheritance, but instead the legacy he leaves his son.
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I don't think Charlot123 was talking about monetary inheritance, but instead the legacy he leaves his son.
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Was there a mode of transportation at the recycle center? It’s not that far from where the subaru was found, he may have walked there.
I also read his son recently turned 18, would that have played a part now that he’s an adult.
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I also read his son recently turned 18, would that have played a part now that he’s an adult.
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Mental illness is problem all over our country. It's too bad that someone with power and position hasn't elevated the problem so that maybe something could be done. We see celebs championing other causes. Look at how Kanye West was ostracized when was struggling. Very sad.
Kanye West’s outlandish statements may be a problem. Mental health stigma is a bigger one
It's easy to paint Kanye West as a laughingstock. But mental health stigma isn't funny, even for the rich, famous, and problematic.fortune.com
All JMO.
it is a huge issue here in Canada too, with the same situation of psych wards being closed down
It’s very sad.Mental illness is problem all over our country. It's too bad that someone with power and position hasn't elevated the problem so that maybe something could be done. We see celebs championing other causes. Look at how Kanye West was ostracized when was struggling. Very sad.
Kanye West’s outlandish statements may be a problem. Mental health stigma is a bigger one
It's easy to paint Kanye West as a laughingstock. But mental health stigma isn't funny, even for the rich, famous, and problematic.
All JMO.
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I’d go further. It’s devastating to hear this. This country is in a crisis state concerning mental health - it’s an epidemic.
The lack of access to care plus the enormous stigma attached are two big factors not helping the situation.
I don’t have the answers but I do know educating our kids is a good start.
Out of ignorance, some deem mental illness as a weakness of character or call a mentally challenged person defective. Some have an attitude of “ why can’t they just pull themselves up by their boot straps”.
Being stereotyped keeps many from seeking help.
RC seemed like the type of guy who
maybe believed the stereotype. We don’t know. I definitely don’t know what it’s like to hear voices but evidentially he did not think he was wrong. He got mad at people who told him the voices were not real. So there was a lack of understanding what was real and what was not with him.
My hope is that they release his note to his son so I can see his “ rantings” to get a better idea of his thinking and state of mind.
But the bigger picture as everyone says is the mental health system and yes the guns.
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Actually Glenn Close has long been a mental health advocate. I believe she has a foundation. But she is def an older celeb.Mental illness is problem all over our country. It's too bad that someone with power and position hasn't elevated the problem so that maybe something could be done. We see celebs championing other causes. Look at how Kanye West was ostracized when was struggling. Very sad.
Kanye West’s outlandish statements may be a problem. Mental health stigma is a bigger one
It's easy to paint Kanye West as a laughingstock. But mental health stigma isn't funny, even for the rich, famous, and problematic.
All JMO.
I agree though someone younger would go a long way to helping. Jmo
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Mental illness is problem all over our country. It's too bad that someone with power and position hasn't elevated the problem so that maybe something could be done. We see celebs championing other causes. Look at how Kanye West was ostracized when was struggling. Very sad.
Kanye West’s outlandish statements may be a problem. Mental health stigma is a bigger one
It's easy to paint Kanye West as a laughingstock. But mental health stigma isn't funny, even for the rich, famous, and problematic.
All JMO.
WAS struggling?
iirc, Card personally knew the group of men playing cornhole at the bar.
His son truly is a victim, and my heart goes out to him.
JMO
KY certainly has the money to take advantage of mental health services but whether he has or not, I have no idea.Mental illness is problem all over our country. It's too bad that someone with power and position hasn't elevated the problem so that maybe something could be done. We see celebs championing other causes. Look at how Kanye West was ostracized when was struggling. Very sad.
Kanye West’s outlandish statements may be a problem. Mental health stigma is a bigger one
It's easy to paint Kanye West as a laughingstock. But mental health stigma isn't funny, even for the rich, famous, and problematic.
All JMO.
The killer, Card had received mental health help. I don't know what fueled his rage toward his victims and I don't know if we will ever know.
JMO
Agree. If we’re going to classify all mass muderers as depressed, suicidal people, are we also saying that failure to successfully treat such people means we have to let them freely wander around and buy all the guns and ammo they want, while taking our chances we won’t be around them when they decide to start shooting?
I think the general public is entitled to the right to be safe from such high risk people. JMO
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I would think that if RC killed people he knew, that would have been screamed in the headlines by now.
Yet I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere.
Yet I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere.
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Police across Maine were alerted just last month to “veiled threats” by the U.S. Army reservist who would go on to carry out the worst mass shooting in the state’s history, one of a string of missed red flags that preceded the massacre.
Two local law enforcement chiefs told The Associated Press that a statewide awareness alert was sent in mid-September to be on the lookout for Robert Card after the firearms instructor made threats against his base and fellow soldiers. But after stepped-up patrols of the base and a visit to Card’s home – neither of which turned up any sign of him – they moved on.
“We added extra patrols, we did that for about two weeks. ... The guy never showed up,” said Jack Clements, the police chief in Saco, home to the U.S. Army Reserve base where Card trained.
apnews.com
Two local law enforcement chiefs told The Associated Press that a statewide awareness alert was sent in mid-September to be on the lookout for Robert Card after the firearms instructor made threats against his base and fellow soldiers. But after stepped-up patrols of the base and a visit to Card’s home – neither of which turned up any sign of him – they moved on.
“We added extra patrols, we did that for about two weeks. ... The guy never showed up,” said Jack Clements, the police chief in Saco, home to the U.S. Army Reserve base where Card trained.
Maine police were alerted weeks ago about shooter's threats
Police across Maine were alerted just last month to “veiled threats” by the U.S. Army reservist who killed 18 people in Lewiston mass shooting.
apnews.com
The Maine public safety commissioner sounds like a real idiot and should be replaced. The biggest issue in this case--yet AGAIN--is that nobody who is known to be mentally ill should have any access to guns. Jeez....the killer in the Texas' largest mass shooting was former military. The military failed to alert the FBI data base in that case 6 years ago.Police across Maine were alerted just last month to “veiled threats” by the U.S. Army reservist who would go on to carry out the worst mass shooting in the state’s history, one of a string of missed red flags that preceded the massacre.
Two local law enforcement chiefs told The Associated Press that a statewide awareness alert was sent in mid-September to be on the lookout for Robert Card after the firearms instructor made threats against his base and fellow soldiers. But after stepped-up patrols of the base and a visit to Card’s home – neither of which turned up any sign of him – they moved on.
“We added extra patrols, we did that for about two weeks. ... The guy never showed up,” said Jack Clements, the police chief in Saco, home to the U.S. Army Reserve base where Card trained.
Maine police were alerted weeks ago about shooter's threats
Police across Maine were alerted just last month to “veiled threats” by the U.S. Army reservist who killed 18 people in Lewiston mass shooting.
JMO
From your link:
But Maine Department of Public Safety Commissioner Michael Sauschuck said in news conference Saturday that while Card had a history of mental illness, there was no evidence that he had ever been involuntarily committed.
“Just because there appears to be a mental health nexus to this scenario, the vast majority of people with mental health diagnosis will never hurt anybody,” Sauschuck said.
Jody Madeira, an Indiana University law professor who has studied gun laws, said police in one state can alert counterparts in another state that someone is a danger, and the military can do the same with local police.
She said someone dropped the ball because Card’s threats and medical evaluation should have triggered a yellow flag seizure of his guns when he returned home.
“He slipped through the cracks,” Madeira said. “There were warning signs.”
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The Justice Department says it has tentatively settled a lawsuit over the 2017 mass shooting at a Texas church that will pay victims and their families more than $144 million.
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I feel very sorry for his son, having to absorb this, and live with it far into the future. For example, if he marries, explaining to his wife and her family. Explaining to his own children who their grandfather was.
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He could change his name and go under the radar.
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How sadly ironic that his improved hearing may have triggered him to murder deaf people.His sister-in-law told The Daily Beast Card claimed that new hearing aids allowed him to hear people at Schemengees Bar & Grille ‘bashing’ him.
The bar was the scene of the second shooting and had been hosting a cornhole tournament for the ‘tight-knit’ deaf community, which he had also competed in.
Maine gunman 'may have been targeting deaf friends in revenge attack'
Sources said Card’s family has been giving officers an insight into the mind of what is said to be a deeply troubled person.metro.co.uk
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Maine police were alerted weeks ago about shooter's threats
Police across Maine were alerted just last month to “veiled threats” by the U.S. Army reservist who would go on to carry out the worst mass shooting in the state’s history, one of a string of missed red flags that preceded the massacre. Two local law enforcement chiefs told The Associated Press...
Two local law enforcement chiefs told The Associated Press that a statewide awareness alert was sent in mid-September to be on the lookout for Robert Card after the firearms instructor made threats against his base and fellow soldiers. But after stepped-up patrols of the base and a visit to Card’s home – neither of which turned up any sign of him – they moved on.
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Not all mass killers are mentally ill
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I beg to differ. Not all mentally ill people are mass killers, but most certainly, <modsnip - no link>
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I don't agree and it certainly is something one cannot prove without knowing complete histories of mass murderers-- There are evil people- they are not mentally ill: there are racists- they are not mentally ill----there are sociopaths- they are not considered mentally ill--- they just have no conscience
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