Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[otto]

I have actually never read of a case of bizarre and extreme sexual violence where there was NOT some serious abuse and neglect in childhood. Humans are wired to be normal unless something goes astray. I do not believe in genetic evil.

You should read about Russell Williams. That is a recent counter example to your theory that all criminals have "some serious abuse and neglect in childhood". There are plenty more, but that's recent.

 

[SMK]

You should read about Russell Williams. That is a recent counter example to your theory that all criminals have "some serious abuse and neglect in childhood". There are plenty more, but that's recent.

Okie---but the content from that site was showing Knox as a deceptive killer. Smoking pot would NOT be brought up as a sign of a serious problem, except by a buffoon, which you must think I am. I'll bet Russell Williams was not a happy camper.

 

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and the sociopath according to DSM had to have an onset of some criminal tendency prior to age 15.:snooty:

 

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Okie---but the content from that site was showing Knox as a deceptive killer. Smoking pot would NOT be brought up as a sign of a serious problem, except by a buffoon, which you must think I am. I'll bet Russell Williams was not a happy camper.

No, but mentioning Amanda's drug abuse on the night of the murder seems to inspire remarks about Meredith smoking pot. Mentioning Amanda's promiscuity seems to inspire remarks about Meredith having a boyfriend and being sexually active. It does not seem possible to discuss Amanda's personality without someone attempting to justify it by comparing her to the victim.

 

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and the sociopath according to DSM had to have an onset of some criminal tendency prior to age 15.:snooty:

What is DSM again?

 

[SMK]

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders----but I read about Russel Williams----ugh, yuk, what a creep. I cannot see Amanda as being of his ilk.:sick:

 

[SMK]

No, but mentioning Amanda's drug abuse on the night of the murder seems to inspire remarks about Meredith smoking pot. Mentioning Amanda's promiscuity seems to inspire remarks about Meredith having a boyfriend and being sexually active. It does not seem possible to discuss Amanda's personality without someone attempting to justify it by comparing her to the victim.

Because she did not seem very different, perhaps not quite so refined, or socially adept. But we are not comparing Jeckyll and Hyde as some might think. Unless we are, and I am in the dark....

 

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Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychological Disorders----but I read about Russel Williams----ugh, yuk, what a creep. I cannot see Amanda as being of his ilk.:sick:

Still, he has no history of childhood problems.

 

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Because she did not seem very different, perhaps not quite so refined, or socially adept. But we are not comparing Jeckyll and Hyde as some might think. Unless we are, and I am in the dark....

That isn't the point. It has been suggested that Knox had no problems. I think she did have some problems, but have found it difficult to discuss any of her problems because those efforts lead to comparisons between the murderer and the victim ... which I find somewhat distasteful.

 

[SMK]

That isn't the point. It has been suggested that Knox had no problems. I think she did have some problems, but have found it difficult to discuss any of her problems because those efforts lead to comparisons between the murderer and the victim ... which I find somewhat distasteful.

I can grant that Amanda may have been troubled in a way in which Meredith was not. I am not sure such a psychological "misfit" as she may have been would premeditate this kind of thing, but it has crossed my mind that she may have talked too much, and something occurred. Still, I lean toward reasonable doubt.

 

[SMK]

PS--it is too bad that you must ignore the statement analysis by the forensic specialist, because he was indicating that Amanda is as you say she is.

 

[SMK]

i think the military thing factors in big with Williams. just a thought....

 

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i think the military thing factors in big with Williams. just a thought....

He joined the military in his mid-twenties ... so that did not have any influence on his childhood.

 

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PS--it is too bad that you must ignore the statement analysis by the forensic specialist, because he was indicating that Amanda is as you say she is.

The problem is that I don't know what the site is so I can evaluate the info in context for myself. Secondly, I have to assume there is a good reason for the site being banned here.

 

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I can grant that Amanda may have been troubled in a way in which Meredith was not. I am not sure such a psychological "misfit" as she may have been would premeditate this kind of thing, but it has crossed my mind that she may have talked too much, and something occurred. Still, I lean toward reasonable doubt.

There must be some reason why Raffaele's lawyer felt it necessary to explain Amanda as Amelie. There's something quite wrong with Amelie in terms of social adjustment.

 

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There must be some reason why Raffaele's lawyer felt it necessary to explain Amanda as Amelie. There's something quite wrong with Amelie in terms of social adjustment.

but....but....Amelie was harmless, the movie uplifting, and most of all, Amelie did not become a convicted sex murder.....:waitasec:

 

[SMK]

He joined the military in his mid-twenties ... so that did not have any influence on his childhood.

Well, we do not know if he was treated coldly as a child---and a military person has to be objective, cold, i can almost see that helping a certain type to kill---Amanda was a flower child type....

 

[Nova]

Xanax is anti-anxiety meds. As far as I can tell, it is not going to erase someone's memory.

I don't know what you mean by "erase," but xanax can cause memory problems. (As I said, in my experience, I forget minor things like whether I saw a particular, boring movie, not major life events.)


http://www.drugs.com/sfx/xanax-side-effects.html



That being said, I don't think AK or RS actually forgot anything from the night of the murder, though they may have had hazy memories due to recreational drug use. Personally, I think they caved to aggressive interrogation tactics, said whatever they thought would east the pressure, and then blamed memory loss.

 

[Nova]

IMO the court would never charge someone for running into their room to check to see if anything was stolen or damaged. Especially if the police were right there too.

Her 'moving things around' doesn't factor into a burglary of one's OWN STUFF.

This was what I think jjenny was saying. If AK let RG in or was in any way involved in what happened... she is just as guilty as the one (if not her) that struck the fatal blows.

I just can't believe Italian law is so unjust.

If AK let RG in knowing he planned to commit a crime, that's one thing. She would be guilty of murder under "felony murder" concepts in the U.S.

But I can't believe Italian law holds everyone who opens a door criminally liable for everything a person at the door later does.

 

[Nova]

Which makes no damn sense because we know the door latch is no good and the door can come open if not properly locked. She could have just blamed it on that, if she were the murderer. It'd be easy for her to say maybe MK didn't properly lock the front door and RG slipped in.

Maybe AK, who was the last to leave the house, did NOT properly lock the door and it came open while no one was home, allowing RG entrance.

Maybe in AK's guilt, she staged the break in, because she feared people would blame her for leaving the door in that state.

I don't ascribe to this, because I believe the break in is real, but it might be plausible that she staged it over her guilt for not properly securing the house when she left with RS at 4pm.

I don't understand this thinking. However AK left the door at 4pm, MK entered through the door at 9, shortly before she was killed. If the door was unlocked, it was because MK failed to lock it behind her. Why would AK feel guilty for that?