Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[wasnt_me]

I have actually never read of a case of bizarre and extreme sexual violence where there was NOT some serious abuse and neglect in childhood. Humans are wired to be normal unless something goes astray. I do not believe in genetic evil.

I might be remembering wrong, but I keep thinking Jeffrey Dahmar. I don't think he was. I think he was disturbed by his parents' divorce, though.

 

[wasnt_me]

Some guy in Texas confessed to murder after 2 hours, where during one hour he and the investigators didn't speak the same language?

TX. you do not want to be convicted in TX. They will mess you up in TX. They don't play and they don't care if you did it or not. I also saw a whole report on a contamidated lab from TX that caused a tons of verdicts to be overturned. From that lab, DNA researches actually matched DNA to suspects the police wanted taken down on PURPOSE.

I can't remember that lab, but you'll probably find it if you look for it. They had cocaine sitting in stacks in the hallway, like they were tables or something. The floor had leaky water on it, and that place just reeked of contamination.

From it, a 16 year old black boy was convicted of rape based on purposely doctored DNA and testimony of the victim. She was WRONG when she fingered him and he was 27 when the DNA got retested and he was finally released.

Maybe the guy you refer to is guilty, but I'm warning the world, DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME IN TEXAS or even get near a crime in TX. Your butt will be in jail, innocent or not.

 

[Allusonz]

Yes, I agree. I've been waiting to ask. What does IIRC stand for?

This stands for if I recall correctly

 

[wasnt_me]

There must be some reason why Raffaele's lawyer felt it necessary to explain Amanda as Amelie. There's something quite wrong with Amelie in terms of social adjustment.

Yes and in my opinion, RS's lawyer said "Look, you gots to let her go, man. You're going down for this just because the prosecution wants to pin it on her. We have to do everything we can to seperate from that chick."

 

[Allusonz]

I am more than interested in reading your thoughts on this case right here, but to be referred to some blog to read what someone else wrote ... why?

Is that blogger the guy that thought the Oggi article (and Dempsey's conclusions based on that article) were an April Fools Joke (all that "never was any DNA" nonsense)?

Weird this blogger is often quoted as well from the pro guilt side as you again know very well. As well he is not from Oggi but does attend all the court dates and you as well see me cite him often so it leads to the question why are you questioning him now?

The second thing is that "blogging" is the way of the future whether you are a major news network or an individual thus you will probably find more cites from bloggers...times change

 

[Allusonz]

There was only one slip. Knox believes that Meredith let Rudy in through the front door. That leaves only one person breaking the window: Knox.

I have come to the conclusion that unless these are European or sites you agree with nothing with be good enough

 

[Allusonz]

Often the simplest scenario is the right one.

If Mignini had of presented this as a simple burglary that was interrupted I truly do not believe half the stuff being posted would even of been considered.

Mignini would of got his forensics back showing that RG's DNA was all over the victim and in her and the only one involved. With his history of break-ins this prosecutor would of simply stated RG broke in looking for money. MK interrupted that and the consequences were the one person that is proven to of been there raped, murdered her, and robbed her. He then fled the country.

Instead we have a prosecutor with a known past of presenting theories, in this case a satanic sexual orgy involving 4 people based on the vision of a psychic, one of whom was raped and murdered. In order to support this absurd theory, leaps and assumptions were presented to a jury which the forensics simply do not support which subsequently has turned this case into a circus.

When you have an absurd hypothesis, it requires absurd assumptions. I sit here and watch people trying to support these assumptions based on a prosecutors own personal demons.

I truly do not believe if this prosecutor had of presented the first theory this discussion would be taking place.

I ask each and every one of you to honestly sit back and think if Mignini had of presented the first scenario do you honestly think you would be having this discussion at present.

Sorry for bumping off my own post but I simply must as I believe there is alot of truth in this.

Prosecutors are very powerful and I truly find it amazing how one prosecutor has set off such a circus around AK simply because of HIS beliefs even though those are not backed up by any forensics

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't understand this thinking. However AK left the door at 4pm, MK entered through the door at 9, shortly before she was killed. If the door was unlocked, it was because MK failed to lock it behind her. Why would AK feel guilty for that?

This is what I'm saying:

RS and AK were at the cottage the day of the murder up until 4pm.

They were the last to leave before MK returned home.

RS and AK love hugging and smooching. Maybe they weren't paying attention and didn't latch the door properly at 4pm when they left because they were busy hugging and smooching.

The door swings open and stays that way until RG happens along sometime before 8:53pm. He sees the open door. He sees it as he chance to burgle. He goes in there and CLOSES the door and latches it.

MK happens home, opens the door and latches it. She goes in her room. RG is on the toilet and hears her. He attacks her.

AK returns home, sees the door open and thinks to herself "Oh, my god, I left this door open all friggin night." Or something like that. Then she sees what's happened and stages the break in, because she feels guilty that she was the one who left the door latched unproperly at 4pm the previous day.

Now I don't know if that's possible unless it's true that she then found MK's keys and locked the murder room to distance herself from MK as she staged the breakin.

Does that make more sense?
**for those who don't know, I'm completely guessing up another scenerio.

 

[Allusonz]

TX. you do not want to be convicted in TX. They will mess you up in TX. They don't play and they don't care if you did it or not. I also saw a whole report on a contamidated lab from TX that caused a tons of verdicts to be overturned. From that lab, DNA researches actually matched DNA to suspects the police wanted taken down on PURPOSE.

I can't remember that lab, but you'll probably find it if you look for it. They had cocaine sitting in stacks in the hallway, like they were tables or something. The floor had leaky water on it, and that place just reeked of contamination.

From it, a 16 year old black boy was convicted of rape based on purposely doctored DNA and testimony of the victim. She was WRONG when she fingered him and he was 27 when the DNA got retested and he was finally released.

Maybe the guy you refer to is guilty, but I'm warning the world, DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME IN TEXAS or even get near a crime in TX. Your butt will be in jail, innocent or not.

Another one that comes to mind was either North or South Carolina.

Again this is not a problem that is confined to one state, country, or certain part of the world. Yes it even happens in Europe thus thank you wasnt!!

 

[claudicici]

It's been a couple of decades since I've tried weed, and I almost never drink in public because I don't drink and drive. But I can attest that you are right about alcohol increasing the effects of xanax.

How commonly is xanax used for recreation? I wonder because I don't find it has the pleasurable effects of, say, valium.

I can certainly see RS forgetting that he woke up for half an hour and played music, but I have trouble imagining forgetting a murder. But you may be right...

It's extremely common among teenagers,I also know some people in their twenties that abuse Xanax.It's easy to get a prescription.
I've seen people that mixed Xanax with alcohol act really goofy,I've had the same conversation with the same person twice,just to see if she would remember and a lot of times I've seen people react more aggressive than they normally would or make a big deal out of little things.
Complete black outs are very common if you mix xanax and alcohol.

"Poly-drug addiction, the simultaneous abuse of more than one drug, is a dangerous and popular activity. The mixing of drugs can have deadly effects. Interaction between drugs can be deadlier than accidental overdose on a single drug. Certain drugs potentiate the effects of other drugs. With pontentiation, overdose or adverse reactions occur at a fraction of the dose it would require with a single drug. Generally, the most dangerous drugs to mix are depressants. Heroin and Xanax is one deadly combination. Mixing the two can cause the user to slip into unconsciousness and very possibly die. Alcohol and Xanax causes the same effect. However, with Xanax and alcohol people black out for a period time without any recollection of events during the blackout. Some commit violent acts with no recall. GHB and Xanax will cause unconsciousness, convulsions, and death. Oxycontin classified as an opiate, it is similar to heroin. Mixing depressants decreases respiratory function leading to death.

Read more: http://healthmad.com/addiction/heroin-meth-xanax-and-alcohol-poly-drug-abuse/#ixzz1JYDjFasv

 

[wasnt_me]

Right, when I have said Amanda may have felt responsible, I meant she may have told Guede no one would be home, and he might find some $$$. Not that he ought to go kill her. But you are right, we cannot be responsible for all the actions of anyone we allow in.

I'll never buy that she told him to rob her own house. If they get robbed, there's no rent, they get kicked out. but I understand it's just a theory.

 

[wasnt_me]

Don't be too quick. Knox, in discussing how Rudy entered the cottage, talks about Meredith letting him. That is a Freudian slip, not a statement that clears her of involvement of the murder. She knew the window was broken, and if she, in good faith, believed that someone broke into the cottage ... she would not have discussed Meredith letting Rudy in.

You're seriously ignoring what the OP said. She does get 5 stars for her reasoning. This talk with her father is not a freudian slip as I understand them to be, and if she is innocent, believed the police about the staged crime scene, she is discussing with her father other ways RG could have entered, if not through the window, since the police don't believe it's through the window. You are right in that she might not have discussed it had she been the murderer and knew the truth.

AK does not know the truth, therefore, she graps at the same straws we do.

 

[wasnt_me]

I ask each and every one of you to honestly sit back and think if Mignini had of presented the first scenario do you honestly think you would be having this discussion at present.

I don't think you'll get too many replies on this one, but what i will say is regardless of what was said in the press, on the prosecutor's desk or on this board, that was what I thought happened in the first place.

 

[wasnt_me]

What are you suggesting ... that Amanda modified her story with each new fact known to police ... and this somehow makes her innocent? I think not. A murderer that modifies her story to explain police evidence is a liar trying to cover her tracks.

There is only one truth, but for Amanda that seems to be a moving target.

To suggest that, AK would have had to be modifying a story. In that snipet of her talk with her father, she was doing nothing but theorizing. Did she ever present those theories as an alternate story? Or did they just stay what they were, which were ponderings between her and her father?

 

[Allusonz]

It's extremely common among teenagers,I also know some people in their twenties that abuse Xanax.It's easy to get a prescription.
I've seen people that mixed Xanax with alcohol act really goofy,I've had the same conversation with the same person twice,just to see if she would remember and a lot of times I've seen people react more aggressive than they normally would or make a big deal out of little things.
Complete black outs are very common if you mix xanax and alcohol.

"Poly-drug addiction, the simultaneous abuse of more than one drug, is a dangerous and popular activity. The mixing of drugs can have deadly effects. Interaction between drugs can be deadlier than accidental overdose on a single drug. Certain drugs potentiate the effects of other drugs. With pontentiation, overdose or adverse reactions occur at a fraction of the dose it would require with a single drug. Generally, the most dangerous drugs to mix are depressants. Heroin and Xanax is one deadly combination. Mixing the two can cause the user to slip into unconsciousness and very possibly die. Alcohol and Xanax causes the same effect. However, with Xanax and alcohol people black out for a period time without any recollection of events during the blackout. Some commit violent acts with no recall. GHB and Xanax will cause unconsciousness, convulsions, and death. Oxycontin classified as an opiate, it is similar to heroin. Mixing depressants decreases respiratory function leading to death.

Read more: http://healthmad.com/addiction/heroin-meth-xanax-and-alcohol-poly-drug-abuse/#ixzz1JYDjFasv

Except that they did not show up in the tox screens...

 

[claudicici]

I would agree,if I would not find it completely unbelievable that someone broke in through that window.

 

[claudicici]

Except that they did not show up in the tox screens...

...but when were those screens done? I believe Xanax only stays in your system for a couple of days....did they even screen for benzos?

 

[wasnt_me]

It has actually been pointed out that neither Amanda, nor anyone in her entire family, has expressed condolences (not remorse). That was the important point. Meredith was murdered and although Amanda has pretended that Meredith was her "good friend", she has said that she wants to "get on with her life". Meredith's father pointed out in one of his articles that the family had failed to convey condolences at any time. Knox/Mellas response was that they'll get around to it after their daughter is out of jail. That is sooooooooooo brash.

Are you saying that because her family didn't express sorrow to the vic's family, she's a murder?

 

[wasnt_me]

There was only one slip. Knox believes that Meredith let Rudy in through the front door. That leaves only one person breaking the window: Knox.

That's not how a Freudian slip occurs. So since it's not, I guess that means RG really did break the window by your logic.

 

[wasnt_me]

This article is exactly why we can't believe these witnesses.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/04/14/ear-witness-against-amanda-knox-mixed-up-nights/

Everyone who doubted the half-deaf woman was right to do so. I don't know how old this information is, but this particular article was posted 17 hours ago.

The scream and then somebody runs never made sense to me because if MK is screaming, it's because she's being attacked. There wouldn't be anyone immediately fleeing the scene, because the attacker is still working, and unfortunately, everyone knows what I mean by that.

If she somehow heard this scream, the shutters would have HAD to been open, though, because how else would the scream carry out of the house all the way to her from the distance they discuss. But I never believed her or the 745am shop owner.