Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[claudicici]

It is a normal link, but it will not appear.

wow,I have never read that e-mail before.Here is a working link to it in it's entirety

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2009/02/from-amanda-knox.html

There is so much that stands out to me.While I might not agree with the other analysis that "water" signifies sexual abuse,AK no doubt is a sexual person,she mentions undressing,showers,underwear whenever it's completely unnecessary.
That's just a side note,it just stood out to me,don't think it has anything to do with the crime.
The first thing that stood out to me is how she describes the last time she saw MK was when she still had blood dripping down her neck from her costume.The mention of the blood in particular really makes me think AK saw the body.
The next thing that made me think omg is how she noticed all the strange things in her house but she waits until after she mops RS kitchen floor to tell him about it.That and how she points out that she locked the door makes me think i may be right about her trying to deny what she saw.
This part however floored me and makes me think twice again how much was AK really involved in this?
" all together we checked the houe out,
talked to the polie,a nd in a big they all opened merediths door.
i was in the kitchen stadning aside, having really done my part for
the situation. " WTH does she mean???? another Freudian slip?
overall it really is sickening how much she talks about herself and whines about being hungry and freezing and having to pay rent and getting sick from vending machine food etc etc etc but not one word of remorse or empathy toward her dead friend....I really can't stand her....but that does not make her a murderer......

 

[wasnt_me]

According to the suspects’ lawyers, the clamor of the area, just around the corner from this women’s flat, could have frightened and influenced this witness. Her account does show some contradictions. There’s what she says about the morning of November 2, the night after she heard the scream.

“That morning, while I was cleaning the house, I heard the boys come running. Signora, Signora, they have killed a girl in that cottage. (&#8230 Then I went out to get some bread.”

Response: “It was 11 a.m. and I stopped off at the newsstand and there already headlines like this, that spoke of this girl.”

It is an incovertible fact that the corpse of Meredith was discovered at 1:30 p.m. on November 2. Therefore, at 11 a.m. no one knew of the death; much less, that morning was it possible for the local newspapers to speak of the homicide.

That's from the same article.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/04/14/ear-witness-against-amanda-knox-mixed-up-nights/

My theory: well, RS or AK must have gotten up in the middle of the night or at 745am to tip off the press that a murder was about to occur. That's where they were--in the press room getting interviewed for their 15 minutes of fame about the morning story about to break.

 

[flourish]

I have actually never read of a case of bizarre and extreme sexual violence where there was NOT some serious abuse and neglect in childhood. Humans are wired to be normal unless something goes astray. I do not believe in genetic evil.

Karla Homolka and Colton Pitonyak immediately come to mind

 

[wasnt_me]

I was reading over RS's statement, translated of course.

http://www.corriere.it/english/articoli/2007/11_Novembre/07/perudia_murder.shtml

This is the one where he removes AK's alibi. I wonder what they said to him that made him change his story even against his witness who places him and AK at his apartment. The witness whose mom needed RS to pick up a suitcase or something.

I think the court believed that witness, so I just really wonder, if that witness was valid, what could have happened in the interrogation room to make RS say the things we know are untrue, according to that witness, his father, and I guess the computer, and cell towers, right? indicated. Don't all those things contradict what he says in this story?

Correct me if I'm wrong, or help me pick the parts in his statement that contradict factual evidence--even evidence in his favor.

 

[sherlockh]

This article is exactly why we can't believe these witnesses.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/04/14/ear-witness-against-amanda-knox-mixed-up-nights/

Everyone who doubted the half-deaf woman was right to do so. I don't know how old this information is, but this particular article was posted 17 hours ago.

The scream and then somebody runs never made sense to me because if MK is screaming, it's because she's being attacked. There wouldn't be anyone immediately fleeing the scene, because the attacker is still working, and unfortunately, everyone knows what I mean by that.

If she somehow heard this scream, the shutters would have HAD to been open, though, because how else would the scream carry out of the house all the way to her from the distance they discuss. But I never believed her or the 745am shop owner.

She is half deaf? And they find out after 3 years? Amazing. She heard what she heard, and she wasn't the only witness that heard something. Who said MK's shutters were closed anyway?

 

[otto]

Judge for yourself whether Nara is deaf. She sure doesn't seem deaf in this clip

[video=youtube;Nd-Th8lIxyo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-Th8lIxyo[/video]

 

[sherlockh]

Judge for yourself whether Nara is deaf. She sure doesn't seem deaf in this clip

I remember that clip and the experiment. Hopefully next time they don't 'forget' to check if they can hear running on the metal stairs (which is what she heard).

Here is a whole presentation on that particular experiment:
Eye Witness Testimony

 

[otto]

I remember that clip and the experiment. Hopefully next time they don't 'forget' to check if they can hear running on the metal stairs (which is what she heard).

Eye Witness Testimony

And ... she seems to have no difficulty having a normal volume conversation ... doesn't seem the least bit deaf.

 

[Allusonz]

Judge for yourself whether Nara is deaf. She sure doesn't seem deaf in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd-Th8lIxyo

I have to state that I would need more proof that this witness is in fact deaf. I note the date of the article in Oggi but as well I looked at the context of this article overall. I as well read what Frank stated on his blog and at this point I simply cant put much weight on her being deaf at this time unless there is something the defense knows of which we are not privy to at this point

 

[Allusonz]

Karla Homolka and Colton Pitonyak immediately come to mind

I have read extensively on the homolka case. Although there could be a possibility I simply am not seeing the dynamics in AK's case

 

[Nova]

When did police tell Amanda that the broken window was a staged break in, and why didn't Amanda use that opportunity to tell them that she lied about Patrick?

I don't know when they first told her, but I know:

1. It was before she made her first statement on the Night of a Thousand Statements. Otherwise, she would have continued blaming the burglar. They HAD to tell her the break in was staged in order to accuse her of committing the murder with PL.

2. It was before the phone conversation with her father that is the the focus of this argument.

The freudian slip argument is simply idiotic. I'm sorry, but that is as polite as I can put it.

You'd be better off arguing that ILE's argument for a staged break in was so convincing that AK dropped her original plan to blame the crime on a burglar (you can argue this happened when she started signing statements), and she instead decided to go with what is called the "lone wolf" theory with RG as the wolf. That at least makes some sort of sense.

As for Patrick, AK told ILE her memory of PL's involvement was "more unreal than real" a few hours after she first implicated him. You seem to want to absolve ILE for any responsibility in imprisoning an innocent man; I do not.

 

[Allusonz]

She is half deaf? And they find out after 3 years? Amazing. She heard what she heard, and she wasn't the only witness that heard something. Who said MK's shutters were closed anyway?

I believe there are other issues with her statement such as the time of which she stated she heard of the death.

 

[Nova]

Hello? Are you reading every third remark or what? Someone said Knox didn't express remorse ... it's condolences she didn't express. Details details ... sometimes so very important.

And it was condolences to which I referred. My point was that the families of victims often want nothing to do with defendants or their supporters, and consider condolences insecure and offensive. It really isn't an area where an accused person or her relatives can win.

 

[otto]

I was just watching a video of police questioning a witness/suspect in a murder investigation ... thinking about coercion. What occurred to me is that police are always trying to coerce facts out of witnesses/suspects ... that's what they do, that's why they're interviewing people. They're not having a social visit. Of course there was some coercion when Knox was questioned as a witness ... police knew that her alibi was bogus, and they were trying to get the truth out of her.

I spent a couple of summers studying in Italy. They're hot headed people ... not quite as hot headed as the Spaniards, but hot headed compared to Northern Europeans. It's normal for them to be passionate, emotional and even sometimes raise their voices. That's part of the culture.

So much is made of Italian police raising their voices while coercing information out of a witness that they know is a liar (Knox) ... as though they're doing something wrong. I kind of think that's to be expected, since police coerce information out of reluctant witnesses, and Italians sometimes raise their voices. What I'm saying is that people seem to object to police doing their jobs in Italy when it results in the arrest of Knox.

 

[Nova]

Yes, I agree. I've been waiting to ask. What does IIRC stand for?

This has probably been answered, but just in case: "If I remember correctly..."

 

[otto]

I have read extensively on the homolka case. Although there could be a possibility I simply am not seeing the dynamics in AK's case

Homolka and Bernardo were in bed within a few hours of meeting and were attached at the hip from then on, just like AK and RS. KH and PB attacked Karla's sister. I suspect it took a lot of convincing to get KH to sacrifice her sister. If the target had been a stranger, perhaps their sexual attack on an innocent victim would have happened sooner. They didn't set out to murder their first victim, but things got out of hand and she died ... the attack on Meredith was not considered a premeditated murder, but rather a situation that quickly deteriorated to murder.

 

[Nova]

How/when did you demonstrate that police told Amanda the break in was staged?

Where's the link?

I don't need a link when a tad of common sense will do.

On the night of the Thousand Statements, ILE accused AK of involvement in the murder. They could not have done so without asserting that the break in was staged, for AK, as we all know, had a key and had no legitimate or illegitimate reason to break in through FR's window. In fact, that the break in was staged is and has always been the primary evidence against AK; it makes no sense that ILE forgot to mention it. Q.E.D.

As I wrote above, I don't know exactly when ILE first took this approach with AK, but I know it was before she made her statements and it was before the conversation with her father that we are discussing.

 

[otto]

I believe there are other issues with her statement such as the time of which she stated she heard of the death.

I think it was around 10:30 or 11:30 ... and the time of death has never been narrowed down much more than between 9:30 and midnight.

 

[Nova]

TX. you do not want to be convicted in TX. They will mess you up in TX. They don't play and they don't care if you did it or not. I also saw a whole report on a contamidated lab from TX that caused a tons of verdicts to be overturned. From that lab, DNA researches actually matched DNA to suspects the police wanted taken down on PURPOSE.

I can't remember that lab, but you'll probably find it if you look for it. They had cocaine sitting in stacks in the hallway, like they were tables or something. The floor had leaky water on it, and that place just reeked of contamination.

From it, a 16 year old black boy was convicted of rape based on purposely doctored DNA and testimony of the victim. She was WRONG when she fingered him and he was 27 when the DNA got retested and he was finally released.

Maybe the guy you refer to is guilty, but I'm warning the world, DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME IN TEXAS or even get near a crime in TX. Your butt will be in jail, innocent or not.

Agreed. I follow the "Thelma and Louise" rule: drive around Texas, no matter how long it takes!

 

[Nova]

Yes and in my opinion, RS's lawyer said "Look, you gots to let her go, man. You're going down for this just because the prosecution wants to pin it on her. We have to do everything we can to seperate from that chick."

I'm sure this was said to RS at some point. And after all, no matter how deep the infatuation, he had known AK a matter of days.

Nonetheless, except for briefly on the Night of a Thousand Statements, RS and AK have neglected to turn on one another. I wonder why.