Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #21

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LOL not sure- I was really just joking about Trump.. (but it would be a nice gesture ;))

But I did just realize something- isn't the normal route from Italy to the US include a stop in London? Cause that isn't the place Amanda wants to be right now. Or is there another way? (i really haven't a clue other than my friend just took her grandkids to visit their dad there and she went by way of London)

I just checked and there are several airlines with non stops from Italy to New York. Not sure about the West Coast but probably so.
 
I believe AK will come forward and explain about the "false confession". I do believe they happen. It is a phenomenon that has been proven, and, not only to mentally ill invidivuals.
Everyone seems to know what they would do in certain situations. Hopefully they will never have to find out. imo
 
I will have to say - I think that AK and RS are guilty. However, no one really knows except the person(s) who actually committed the crime and Meredith herself. We don't know, the jury doesn't know, the judges don't know, the lawyers don't know, the Kerchers don't know.

And if given two choices, I would rather see a guilty person walk than an innocent one in jail.
 
No point in me discussing this further, I've not posted in the Knox thread for a long time now because no matter what points are made in relation to Amanda's lies some will always try and explain them away.

Not trying to be rude but I do find it interesting that that it is okay for Amanada to lie but not someone like Casey Anthony.

I respect that most here think she is innocent and are glad she is free, but I don't, I think she is guilty and I'm very sad for Meredith's family today.
 
I'm not talking about the confession as such, I'm talking about all of her statements and especially her email to her friends and family - sorry but Amanda told too many lies for my liking - if people want dismiss all the lies she told so be it but I will always think her guilty because of the many lies she told.

Her e-mail didn't alarm me. her tone was somewhat immature and self-serving but I never saw anything really incriminating there.
 
surely you would have to be an idiot to write something down about what happened if the police told u a story then told you to imagine what might have happened and put pen to paper

If i hadnt done anything I am not going to speculate i just wouldnt say a thing until I had proper legal representation

if my friend has just been brutally murdered id remember where i was and exactly what i was doing.
 
She never confessed to her family and friends. She talked about finding blood stains after coming out of the shower. But I don't see how that was a lie.



Michael Crowe was not mentally ill. Neither was Riley Fox's dad, when they confessed. Just beaten down. Or scared, traumatized, exhausted and confused.

Knox states she never confessed but instead signed a statement they had her give "imagining" what may have happened, based on the story fed to her by police. I have seen this many times in provably false confessions.

There are many lies in her email home, don't have time to go over them all again now.
 
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...urt-for-verdict-in-murder-appeal/1?csp=34news

Update at 5:34 p.m. ET: The family of Meredith Kercher, Knox's former roommate who was slain, issued the following statement from their hotel in Perugia:

"We respect the decision of the judges but we do not understand how the decision of the first trial could be so radically overturned. We still trust the Italian judicial system and hope that the truth will eventually emerge."

I feel for the Kercher family. I think they are holding up and handling this with class.
imo
 
surely you would have to be an idiot to write something down about what happened if the police told u a story then told you to imagine what might have happened and put pen to paper

If i hadnt done anything I am not going to speculate i just wouldnt say a thing until I had proper legal representation

if my friend has just been brutally murdered id remember where i was and exactly what i was doing.
And... I'm sure you wouldn't have taken a shower in the victim's bathroom, bought sexy lingerie, had sex with your boyfriend, and done cartwheels in the police station, she acted just like Casey Anthony!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
surely you would have to be an idiot to write something down about what happened if the police told u a story then told you to imagine what might have happened and put pen to paper

Alot of people are idiots then, because that's a very common trick. It was pulled on one of Michael Crowe's co-defendants, (the one they couldn't get a confession out of), among others.
 
Much was made about the behavior of Amanda and Raffaele outside the cottage shortly after the murder was discovered. Looking at the video, I only see a young woman in shock and grief being comforted by her boyfriend.

Hugs are not a sign of guilt, they are a sign of empathy.
 
Mentally ill people confess to crimes they didn't committ - not the same thing in this case.

Amanda and Raffaele have both lied numerous times about many different things - innocent people don't have to lie they just tell the truth and their story does not change - too many changes in their stories that neither will ever explain, I don't expect to hear either of them clear up the lies they both told.

Utterly normal people are coerced into false statements as well, more often than most would like to admit. This is because LEOs are trained in tactics that allow them to extract the statements they want from people no matter how hard they stick to their story - and in fact, due to the assumption that many LEOs make that the person they are focused on must be guilty, sticking to a story only makes them pursue a confession even more aggressively.

Read here:

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Kassin.AP_innocense_at_risk.05_read.pdf

*yes, I know that this is hosted on a pro-knox site, but it is a legitimate paper that was not written for the site.


In addition, there are certain red flags that one should look for when it comes to inappropriate, coercive interview tactics, and one of them is a lack of any recording of the interview, especially if that is in defiance of the rules/laws of the jurisdiction involved. Another is when arrests are made based on a statement before there has been an opportunity to verify it.
 
No point in me discussing this further, I've not posted in the Knox thread for a long time now because no matter what points are made in relation to Amanda's lies some will always try and explain them away.

Not trying to be rude but I do find it interesting that that it is okay for Amanada to lie but not someone like Casey Anthony.

I respect that most here think she is innocent and are glad she is free, but I don't, I think she is guilty and I'm very sad for Meredith's family today.

I understand. And I don't think it's okay for anyone to lie when there is a crime. But the same way you feel about everyone explaining away the inconsistencies that point to guilt is the same way some of us feel about explaining away inconsistencies that point to innocence, or outright ignoring those things that flat make no sense - like the motive of three, unrelated people, two of whom met days prior and one of whom there was never any real evidence that the other two ever knew.

But I know how it feels to argue what I see as a logical position and have people argue back in circles trying explain evidence or behavior away in order to maintain a contrary position, so I sympathize with how you are felling, that's for sure!
 
How do you think we may have paid for this? The U.S. government reportedly did not get involved at all. Do you think the appeals court was bought off?

Well, there will be hundreds of pages of reasoning from the court, within 90 days. It was the hundreds of pages of reasoning after the first trial that got a lot of people thinking differently about the possibility that the pair were guilty. It will be interesting to see.

But as it stands, from what came out in the appeals court (and what I reviewed prior), there was no credible forensic evidence against the pair. There were incriminating statements fed to two scared, young people, who had just met 7 days prior to the murder, one of whom could barely speak Italian, and there was forensic evidence against Guede, a transient, but no proof he actually knew the couple.

In general, it was thought that because Knox acted apathetically, did cartwheels and snuggled cozily with her boyfriend after the murder, had pre-marital sex and smoked pot, that somehow she and a guy she just met, hooked up with an African immigrant drifter and decided to have a sex orgy and smoke dope which made them crazy and all rape and kill Meredith, out of the blue. I think that's what made the appeals court render the verdict they did, not being paid off.

I'm a lawyer. I'm trained to see all angles of a case and to be able to argue both sides. To me, what they presented as evidence of guilt of the two doesn't come close to reasonable. Once I learned the couple had barely met, there was no provable connection to Guede, and the reality of the forensics involved (it's virtually impossible to clean a crime scene in a way that destroys only evidence of your own involvement but leaves evidence of another party's involvement), etc., etc., I realized there was no real case.

At first I thought those who immediately thought Knox was innocent were simply being zealous in their nationalism and suspicion of foreign governments, or sympathetic to one of "ours", a cute, little female one of ours at that. There may remain a tad bit of that sentiment but I don't think that's the reason, for the most part, why many feel they are innocent. I think it's the facts, or lack thereof, the improbability of the theories expounded by Mignini, his own, proven corruption and the media smear campaining, painting a young girl as a murderous *advertiser censored* simply because she had premarital sex, smoked pot and was too immature and/or selfish to realize the magnitude of what had happened to her roommate and act accordingly. :twocents:

If you don't think we bully or bribe (pay off), you must be a defense lawyer! I do not mean that as a slam, but your views are skewed! My husband was a victim of a violent crime so I realize my views are also skewed! I feel nothing for Amanda Knox, I care only for the victim's family!:twocents:
 
Just curious. Can Donald Trump's plane make a non stop transatlantic flight. Can't land in the middle of the ocean for refueling.

My boss just returned from a trip to EU on private corp jet. They left MEM and 6.5 hours later were in dublin.....no fuel stop.
 
Statements, when you haven't heard them directly or via audio or video can be called into question, especially in the situation of language differences. That seems fairly obvious. We weren't there and the way the interrogation proceeded was not recorded.

DNA, however, tells the real tale. No matter what the italian police got AK or RS to say under duress, their DNA, hair, fibers, skin, fingerprints, footprints were NOT in the room where MK was murdered. ONLY Rudy's were in there. It was a bloody crime scene in a small room. The physical evidence is what told the tale in terms of who committed this murder.

As such, that physical evidence trumps whatever character assassination one might imagine about the defendants.

I'm surprised anyone would believe Mignini and his calculated lies and made up theories since he has been CONVICTED of this before.

Follow the physical evidence! There was no untainted evidence that linked either AK or RS to this murder.

NOT GUILTY!
 
Just to reiterate, I'm not about to do a re-hash of all the lies of Amanda Knox or argue why I believe what I believe.

I have read all I need to and have formed my opinion so please save yourselves the effort of posting links that I will not read.

I hear you Gitana and thanks :)

The motive or lack thereof has always bothered me as well as this particular trio getting together, however I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibilty.

Anway, that's me out, I only wanted to come on and say how I was feeling.
 
And... I'm sure you wouldn't have taken a shower in the victim's bathroom, bought sexy lingerie, had sex with your boyfriend, and done cartwheels in the police station, she acted just like Casey Anthony!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Yeah, that's exactly the behavior that caused me initially to believe she was guilty. But then, after I read much more about the case, the facts did not add up for me.

And I don't think she acted just like casey. casey's own baby was missing while she partied. A flatmate is a totally different thing. Also, casey never reported anything wrong with Caylee, her disappearance, nothing. Knox did call people.

I don't get Knox's behavior but I find it very, very different from that of a mother whose own child has disappeared.
 
For those who are committed to the guilt of the two who were acquitted today, I am curious as to possible motive as that, besides a lack of any credible forensic evidence, was what really changed my opinion.

I did not know that Knox only met Sollecito on October 25. Meredith was murdered on Nov. 1st. Why would two people who had dated for one week, who had no psychiatric or criminal histories, decide to brutally rape and murder the other's roommate after being together only seven days? I mean how does that conversation occur? "Hey, glad I met you. This is fun. Having problems with my roommate, want to help me kill her?" And then they proceed to brutalize her horribly?

And how does Guede get into the act. I mean, there is no evidence I am aware of, that Guede knew Sollecito or Knox. So how does that happen? And let's say he was selling pot to Knox, how does that turn into a conspiracy to commit murder or a sudden satanic sex orgy with Knox and Sollecito?

I think the main prosecution theory was that Knox was a sexual sadist into sex orgies (although there was no evidence of that), who got high with Guede and Sollecito and that the pot whipped them into a frenzy which caused them to murder Meredith when she refused to join them in their crazy sex orgy. But pot makes you just want to sit on the couch and jell. Many Italians tended to view Knox as guilty because she smoked pot and was sexually active. Surely, Americans are not as rigid moralistically as to think those things are connected to murder.

It just all sounds so ridiculous to me. None of it makes sense. I guess I'd like to hear some logical reasoning as to the possible motive of three unrelated people who had either just met or didn't know each other at all, in the joint rape and murder of an innocent woman.

I always enjoy your posts. They invoke thought and ponder and I agree with all you said.Sometimes I just get back to simplicity. I really cant comment much on this case as I have been on the periphery but I will continue to keep my mind open on cases to come.
Morality has such an influence across the board and across the borders. With the internet involved we tend to make judgments and are influenced by media and our fellow posters (with all due respect) without truly knowing the facts and personalities of all involved. I banter daily with my DH on these cases to the point of frustration, but its a good thing. His input is not based on emotion nor what the media has reported. Just based on factual evidence. He tends to poo poo my involvement here, but always follows along with me lol.
Anyway, I believe Justice was served today.
 
Sorry, I should say as well that I'm not about to think anything less of anyone for disagreeing on this case. I respect too many of you to do that, so it's all good.

:)
 
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