Meredith Kercher murdered - Amanda Knox convicted, now appeals #7

[dog.gone.cute]

Do not know where to put this........but lifetime channel just showed an advertisement for the 'Amanda Knox Story".............looking for the airtime.........

I have been watching the Lifetime Channel for about 10 years now and they have done some good "docudramas" ... my opinion ...

I was very surprised to hear about the controversy surrounding the Amanda Knox movie that is going to be shown in about a week.

I hope Lifetime does not back down and shows the movie ... I am looking forward to it.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7729582/amanda_knox_lifetime_movie_might_not.html?cat=40

 

[otto]

What evidence proves she was lying about being abused?

The evidence that is clear to everyone is that she lied about whether she had an interpreter (where else would the parents get the idea that she didn't have an interpreter?). Regarding the "physcial and verbal" abuse, Knox has been unable to identify the physical abuser other than by hair color (brown), and several officers that were present did not witness the abuse. Are we to believe it is a huge conspiracy, or should be accept that the accuser, Knox, is lying about whether she had an interpreter and could quite well be lying (again) about everything that happened during those 2 hours where she in essence confessed to being present during the murder? One may ask why Knox would exaggerate and concoct a story about what happened during the 2 hours of questioning as a witness ... but it seems rather obvious to me that she had to make up some excuse for falsely accusing an innocent man of murder after a mere 2 hours of questioning. It seems awfully farfetched to me that she was coerced to make such wild claims after such a short time. Apparently it was also obvious to her that normal people don't make crazy wild statements due to coercion after 2 hours, and thus the crazy wild lies about abuse - anything to get out of the first lies she told.

 

[otto]

I have been watching the Lifetime Channel for about 10 years now and they have done some good "docudramas" ... my opinion ...

I was very surprised to hear about the controversy surrounding the Amanda Knox movie that is going to be shown in about a week.

I hope Lifetime does not back down and shows the movie ... I am looking forward to it.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7729582/amanda_knox_lifetime_movie_might_not.html?cat=40

It seems to be going ahead. My understanding is that the film is sympathetic to Knox, kind of overlooking the fact that the trial is over and the conviction decided. It presents her as a victim, or is intended to cause the viewer to ask whether Knox is the victim. Maybe Lifetime's next movie venture could be about whether Scott Peterson is a victim ... I wonder how that would go over.

 

[otto]

The problem with Edda Mellas and Curt Knox claiming on British news that Amanda did not have an interpreter during questioning as a witness is that they made their statements after the trial was over, so they should have known that Knox stated in court that she had an interpreter during the questioning. They should have known that their daughter's initial claims were false, and should not have been spreading lies about Italian police. It seems to be okay for Edda and Curt to lie on LKL, but not to tell those same lies in the EU - therefore the libel charges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20UHbXdVFrI&feature=player_embedded
(note: take some of the parent's claims with a grain of salt ... they are being charged for libel regarding their remarks about the case)

 

[RayStar]

The problem with Edda Mellas and Curt Knox claiming on British news that Amanda did not have an interpreter during questioning as a witness is that they made their statements after the trial was over, so they should have known that Knox stated in court that she had an interpreter during the questioning. They should have known that their daughter's initial claims were false, and should not have been spreading lies about Italian police. It seems to be okay for Edda and Curt to lie on LKL, but not to tell those same lies in the EU - therefore the libel charges.

OK Otto. I wonder how does Italy intend to have a trial for them? I doubt the US will give them up and see them never traveling to Italy again.

 

[Malkmus]

The police could be lying, but there is no evidence to support that. The police could be living on the moon, but there is no evidence to support that.

Knox could be lying, and there is evidence to support that. We know that Knox was lying at the very least regarding the claim that she did not have an interpreter. We know she had an interpreter as she admitted as much during trial testimony. Since it has been proven that parts of her claims were false, it is more likely that more of her claims are false.

This is from Amanda's Trial Testimony: "While I was there, there was an interpreter who explained to me an experience of hers, where she had gone through a traumatic experience that she could not remember at all, and she suggested that I was traumatized, and that I couldn't remember the truth."

Dated: June 12, 2009

Amanda is not being charged for stating she had no interpreter, just for claiming she was cuffed, which can't be proved because of lack of recording.
Her parents are the ones being charged for saying, among other things which may or may not be true, that she had no interpreter. While she did have an interpreter, I think the real problem was that this person overstepped her boundaries as far as what she was supposed to be doing. Amanda claims that the interpreter was calling her a stupid liar and also suggested she was traumatized and convinced her she had forgotten what investigators were claiming had happened to her the night of the murder. Her parents probably should have it worded it more accurately, but probably weren't aware of the ramifications that would ensue. To them it was probably the easiest way to get their point across. The interpreter should not have had an agenda other than translating for Amanda, and an independent translator (not ILE) is probably what she should have had.

 

[otto]

OK Otto. I wonder how does Italy intend to have a trial for them? I doubt the US will give them up and see them never traveling to Italy again.

You don't think they'll continue to visit the convicted murderer?

 

[otto]

Amanda is not being charged for stating she had no interpreter, just for claiming she was cuffed, which can't be proved because of lack of recording.
Her parents are the ones being charged for saying, among other things which may or may not be true, that she had no interpreter. While she did have an interpreter, I think the real problem was that this person overstepped her boundaries as far as what she was supposed to be doing. Amanda claims that the interpreter was calling her a stupid liar and also suggested she was traumatized and convinced her she had forgotten what investigators were claiming had happened to her the night of the murder. Her parents probably should have it worded it more accurately, but probably weren't aware of the ramifications that would ensue. To them it was probably the easiest way to get their point across. The interpreter should not have had an agenda other than translating for Amanda, and an independent translator (not ILE) is probably what she should have had.

That's right. That's exactly what I wrote. Edda Mellas and Curt Knox are charged with libel regarding false statements they made about Italian police to British media. They falsely claimed that Amanda Knox did not have an interpreter during her 2 hours of questioning as a witness, but the parents should have known that was false because they made the statements after the trial and after Knox testimony stating that she did have an interpreter during those two hours.

Thus ... the libel charges. They should not have alleged on British TV that their daughter did not have an interpreter, and should not have repeated the lies their daughter told them a couple of years earlier. They have publicly repeated those lies in the US for years (without consequence), and apparently thought they could get away with it Europe too ... not so.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

It seems to be going ahead. My understanding is that the film is sympathetic to Knox, kind of overlooking the fact that the trial is over and the conviction decided. It presents her as a victim, or is intended to cause the viewer to ask whether Knox is the victim. Maybe Lifetime's next movie venture could be about whether Scott Peterson is a victim ... I wonder how that would go over.

I hope the Knox movie by Lifetime is sympathetic to the victim: Meredith Kercher, and her Family who are also victims ... not sympathetic to the 3 sitting in jail ...

By the way: Lifetime Channel aired the Laci Peterson / Scott Peterson movie this past weekend. I taped it -- but have not watched it. I am sure that this movie shows tremendous sympathy for Laci, and Conner.

 

[otto]

I hope the Knox movie by Lifetime is sympathetic to the victim: Meredith Kercher, and her Family who are also victims ... not sympathetic to the 3 sitting in jail ...

By the way: Lifetime Channel aired the Laci Peterson / Scott Peterson movie this past weekend. I taped it -- but have not watched it. I am sure that this movie shows tremendous sympathy for Laci, and Conner.

Sadly, I believe this movie is sympathetic to the convicted murderer Knox, and that she is to some degree portrayed as a victim. According to the producer, the film is supposedly "non-judgmental" and should leave the viewer wondering if Knox is a victim.

Most forums that discuss murders empathize with the victim ... the person that is dead ... but discussion of the murder of Meredith Kercher seems too often to portray the convicted murderer as a victim. It's a bit like up is down, black is white, murderers are victims, and true victims are little more than a context for discussing the real victim-murderer.

 

[Allusonz]

The problem with Edda Mellas and Curt Knox claiming on British news that Amanda did not have an interpreter during questioning as a witness is that they made their statements after the trial was over, so they should have known that Knox stated in court that she had an interpreter during the questioning. They should have known that their daughter's initial claims were false, and should not have been spreading lies about Italian police. It seems to be okay for Edda and Curt to lie on LKL, but not to tell those same lies in the EU - therefore the libel charges.


(note: take some of the parent's claims with a grain of salt ... they are being charged for libel regarding their remarks about the case)

The parents are right on 2 accounts

The "Mediator" (her description not mine) arrived after 12:30 am thus there is 1 1/2 hours where even Anna was not in the room

The police interpreter, Anna Donnino, had earlier denied the police used violence. Under cross-examination she described her role as that of a "mediator" rather than a mere translator of words

The role of a translator and mediator is much different

ETA: mediator n. a person who conducts mediation. A mediator is usually a lawyer, or retired judge, but can be a non-attorney specialist in the subject matter (like child custody) who tries to bring people and their disputes to early resolution through a conference. The mediator is an active participant in the discussions and attempts to work out a solution, unlike an arbitrator who sits as a judge

trans·la·tor (trnsltr, trnz-, trns-ltr, trnz-)
n.
1. One that translates, especially:
a. One employed to render written works into another language.
b. A computer program or application that renders one language or data format into another.
2. An interpreter

 

[Allusonz]

The police could be lying, but there is no evidence to support that. The police could be living on the moon, but there is no evidence to support that.

Knox could be lying, and there is evidence to support that. We know that Knox was lying at the very least regarding the claim that she did not have an interpreter. We know she had an interpreter as she admitted as much during trial testimony. Since it has been proven that parts of her claims were false, it is more likely that more of her claims are false.

This is from Amanda's Trial Testimony: "While I was there, there was an interpreter who explained to me an experience of hers, where she had gone through a traumatic experience that she could not remember at all, and she suggested that I was traumatized, and that I couldn't remember the truth."

Dated: June 12, 2009

So could I be lying, Where is the audio/visual recordings?

 

[Allusonz]

The police could be lying, but there is no evidence to support that. The police could be living on the moon, but there is no evidence to support that.

Knox could be lying, and there is evidence to support that. We know that Knox was lying at the very least regarding the claim that she did not have an interpreter. We know she had an interpreter as she admitted as much during trial testimony. Since it has been proven that parts of her claims were false, it is more likely that more of her claims are false.

This is from Amanda's Trial Testimony: "While I was there, there was an interpreter who explained to me an experience of hers, where she had gone through a traumatic experience that she could not remember at all, and she suggested that I was traumatized, and that I couldn't remember the truth."

Dated: June 12, 2009

Did she have one the ENTIRE TIME?

 

[Allusonz]

You don't think they'll continue to visit the convicted murderer?

I know for a fact whom they wont visit and that is GM, ooops forgot he is not in jail even though convicted and yikers even more he is consulting

 

[Allusonz]

Here is the list of people to date that GM has accused of slander to my knowledge to date just for this trial to date

I wonder how many can see a PATTERN

1. Amanda Knox: Charged with defamation of the police for claiming she was hit on the back of her head

during her illegal interrogation. The wrongful conviction wasn't enough for Mignini.

2 & 3. Edda Mellas and Curt Knox: Amanda's parents were served with papers just before the ruling against

their daughter, for simply repeating their daughters court testimony. During an interview, Amanda's parents

told a reporter that Amanda testified in court, that she had been hit on the back of the head. They simply


repeated the court testimony of their daughter. For that, Mignini slapped a lawsuit on them. Is he trying

to keep them from visiting their daughter in prison? Is he really that cold hearted? I say yes. In my

opinion, Mignini is an Unstable, cold hearted, worthless excuse of a human being.

4. The West Seattle Herald: Mignini filed defamation charges in this case because Herald reporter Steve

Shay quoted other people saying Mignini was "mentally unstable". Mignini actually filed a lawsuit against a

newspaper in Seattle Washington because they hurt his feelings. Read more here.

5. Joe Cottonwood - www.joecottonwood.com. Take a look at Joe's Website. Joe is a fiction writer. Joe

doesn't even like Amanda Knox. He was simply voicing his opinion about the case. Why was Mignini threatened

by him?

Here is Joe's quote that won him the honors of a Magnini lawsuit: "The Meredith Kercher murder is one of

those mirrors that reflects the prejudices of whoever is looking into it. There is no physical evidence and

no credible motive, and yet an egotistical prosecutor is blaming Amanda Knox anyway. In the USA, this would

only happen if she were black. Perhaps partying American college kids are so hated in Italy that Amanda

will be treated as blacks are treated in the USA, and she will be convicted not because of the evidence but

because of general resentment of shallow rich Americans. Personally, from what I've read I don't like

Amanda Knox. She sounds spoiled, naive, and shallow. But that's not a crime. I loathe the prosecutor, who

has a counterpart in every city in the USA - a preening, intellectually dishonest bully who cares more

about making newspaper headlines than in serving justice. It's the same all over the world. Power and

prejudice are the enemies of justice."
6. Luciano Ghirga, an attorney for Amanda Knox.

7. Luca Maori, an attorney for Raffaele Sollecito

8. Giangavino Sulas, journalist for Oggi magazine

9. The director and editor of Oggi magazine

10. Mario Spezi: Italian journalist who co-wrote The Monster of Florence with journalist and author Doug

Preston. Mignini continues to torment Spezi for simply disagreeing with him.

11. Francesca Bene, an Italian reporter, said Knox had, in her opinion, advanced her cause by making clear

what police had not previously conceded , that Knox thought she was being a helpful witness when in fact

police were targeting her as a suspect and should have told her so. Mignini didn't like hearing the truth

from Bene.
12. Gabriella Carlizzi: Carlizzi is a psychic. Mignini has charged Carlizzi with defamation multiple times.

Doug Preston says that Mignini used Carlizzi as a witness in the Monster of Florence Case

ETA Only 12? WOW

 

[Allusonz]

Now this is lying aka prosecutorial misconduct AND HE ONLY CHARGED 20 PEOPLE HERE WOW AGAIN

The bench ruled that he and Michele Giuttari, a detective-turned-thriller writer, had used their powers to persecute people they regarded as their enemies: tapping their phones, interrogating them, putting them under investigation without any evidence against them and even getting them jailed, for personal reasons

the court said, were guilty of "almost unheard of" criminal activity, carrying out investigations "in no way related ... to their proper competence", launching criminal cases with no evidence, ordering phone taps with "quite different ends" from those cited when the taps were authorised, taps that were made "for reasons of retaliation ... against people towards whom they had reasons for hostility"

According to the Italian newsmagazine Panorama, investigators discovered that Mignini maintained computer lists entitled "Attacks to Remember" and "Orgy of Attacks." The lists contained names of journalists, government officials, and members of the Italian Parliament.

Mignini was convicted of launching investigations into his critics in the media, the police, and the government. The prosecutor illegally wiretapped phones and cell phones in his ambition to end the "orgy of attacks."


Because he violated the public trust, the Florence court banned Mignini from holding public office for the rest of his life. But, during his appeal, the prosecutor gets to remain in office. Mignini has not been called on to resign either

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...ag=mncol;lst;4

He was convicted of:

1.) Illegally investigating journalists who had criticized him with the "intent to harass or deter them from pursuing their legitimate profession". Specifically the court found that Mignini had targeted Italian journalists Vincenzo Tessandori, Gennaro De Stefano, and Roberto Fiasconaro, because they had criticized his investigations into the death of Narducci.


2.) Ordering an illegal investigation of the Florentine ex police chief Giuseppe De Donno.


3.) Ordering illegal investigations of two officials of the Viminale, the Ministry of the Interior in Rome, including an illegal investigation of the Roberto Sgalla, ex-director of the office of external affairs

 

[otto]

So could I be lying, Where is the audio/visual recordings?

You can find the info of Knox parents claiming that there was no interpreter and of Knox saying there was an interpreter online (or check the links I posted earlier).

Knox is a known liar not only because of false statements repeated by her parents, but also based on her other statements. The same cannot be said of the police that interviewed Knox.

 

[otto]

Did she have one the ENTIRE TIME?

Either Knox had an interpreter, or she didn't. Knox and her parents have made black and white statement ... why try to create shades of grey where there are none?

 

[Allusonz]

Either Knox had an interpreter, or she didn't. Knox and her parents have made black and white statement ... why try to create shades of grey where there are none?

The "Mediator" (her description not mine) arrived after 12:30 am thus there is 1 1/2 hours where even Anna was not in the room

The police interpreter, Anna Donnino, had earlier denied the police used violence. Under cross-examination she described her role as that of a "mediator" rather than a mere translator of words

 

[Allusonz]

Either Knox had an interpreter, or she didn't. Knox and her parents have made black and white statement ... why try to create shades of grey where there are none?

mediator n. a person who conducts mediation. A mediator is usually a lawyer, or retired judge, but can be a non-attorney specialist in the subject matter (like child custody) who tries to bring people and their disputes to early resolution through a conference. The mediator is an active participant in the discussions and attempts to work out a solution, unlike an arbitrator who sits as a judge

trans·la·tor (trnsltr, trnz-, trns-ltr, trnz-)
n.
1. One that translates, especially:
a. One employed to render written works into another language.
b. A computer program or application that renders one language or data format into another.
2. An interpreter