Metro Detroit ME (Dr. Werner Spitz) Will Testify At Casey Trial

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Guess he is confusing brain matter with mud :doh:

I saw the Pippy interview w/Spitz...I think that his(Dr. Spitz), brain matter has turned to mud! :maddening:

Also, it seemed like Pippy only asked Spitz defense-type questions. Harumpfff!

I am to sick to death of all the carp surrounding this case. :maddening:
 
I found her behavior leaving the stand to be extremely unprofessional and immature. I also agree with Spitz (in the video) that IF that duct tape had been covering Caylee's face that some DNA would have stuck to the tape, yet there was no DNA on the tape. I find it much more plausible that the duct tape was used to reinforce the tying of the bag.

The tape was holding the mandible in place. This has not been disputed.

I live in in Fla. Close enough that I share the same weather patterns with Orlando. We were getting lot's of rain. We were thankful for it because our summer was very dry and we needed the rain. But, this was alot of rain. That baby was laying out there during hurricane season.

While DNA is truly a miracle and has helped so many folks receive justice, there has to be enough to test. And sometimes it can't be gathered when it has been diluted and compromised as might happen when a mother throws her baby out in a garbage pit 2 months before hurricane season.

TC, Robin
 
I'm expecting a whole new wave of mass confusion when he gets on the stand, but in the end Ashton and LDB will set the record straight. It seems like so many of the defense witnesses are not familiar at all with this case even tho Spitz claims he has been working on it for one year. (in the interview) How can that even be true when he did the 2nd autopsy 2 and a half years ago?

Plus wasn't his report only 1 page long, if even that? Must take him a long time to write stuff down. :banghead::loser::banghead:
 
Tomorrow will be interesting with Spitz. There comes a time in your life when it is time to take down the shingle and enjoy a good game of golf.

There will be no kid glove one sided testimony tomorrow. I think his opinion will be impeached.
 
Remember Dr. Lee was also supposed to be the defense witness who decided he had other engagements.
 
Tomorrow will be interesting with Spitz. There comes a time in your life when it is time to take down the shingle and enjoy a good game of golf.

There will be no kid glove one sided testimony tomorrow. I think his opinion will be impeached.

If he testifies anywhere near as badly as he performed in that recent video, there's no question in my mind that the state will completely nullify his opinion.
 
He did say it was decomposed, deteriorated, whatever.
He seems to be getting a bit dotty, didn't want to discuss when or if he would be paid.
He also seems to think there should have been intact insects or insect parts found on the sticky side of the tape.
I would think they too would have decomposed. Dr G may have to be called back for rebuttal.

Dr. G has this all covered. She did an inside wash of the skull and collected that and tested it.
 
All Spitz will do is get up there and say a bunch of different ways she could have died not taking in any of the other evidence.
 
The State will handle Dr. Spitz. He has been all over HLN his theory has already been leaked, and LKB won't be there to help him recall tomorrow while he is under oath.
 
Am I the only one who finds it strange that there is absolutely no evidence regarding the duct such as on it or on other items, when duct tape is specifically manufactured to be "water resistant." Yet a "sticker" left residue on the duct despite being subjected to the same elements.

Duct tape is also made to stick to itself. That's why it is popular to wrap ductwork. What some are calling the "non-sticky side is a perfect host for anything sticky to adhere to it. It was made that way so the tape could be wrapped.

Duct tape is a terrible implement for taping boxes for example, because it HAS to be wrapped with the ends touching each other or it will pull away from it's host. Again, this is why it is used for ductwork, it stays put when wrapped on itself during high humidity situations. Yes, it is water resistant, but it also stays put when attached to something sticky.

ETA, Also, anyone who has ever tried to pull two pieces of duct tape apart will notice that much of the sticky residue attaches to the "non_sticky" side. It was made that way and it's why I do not doubt that there was residue from that heart sticker.
 
Well all I got to say is his banter on TV will come back to haunt him. It will be used against him. Count on it.
 
It would have taken up to 2 months max for Caylee to be completely a skeleton. Duct Tape adhesive in my opinion would stay around a little longer than the 2 months. As the decomp process was going on, adhered to the bone, and hair. Now with the hot sun, a lot of that adhesive would have melted which could have helped adhere the tape even more to the bone. When Hurricane Faye came along that washed some away, pushed dirt into the skull.

LOL Even this Dr.S even said someone put that tape on her. He didn't know who but someone did.

My guess is actual full skeleton in 3 weeks.
 
I'm not just talking about fingerprints with duct tape. The did not put in any evidence to show any residue anywhere from the duct tape.

Three or four years ago, I had a broken window on my truck that I covered with plastic and duct tape. I still have residue from that despite ice, snow, rain, WD-40, rubbing alcohol, steam, hot water, cold water, dish soap, peanut butter, etc. The tape did not always hold and had to be replaced. But the residue has survived all my attempts to remove it.

There ya go! :-) Duct tape is manufactured to stick to itself and the shiny side is very welcoming to anything sticky. And it is truly hard to get off. So now you understand why the duct tape may still have residue from the heart sticker?

Take care, Robin
 
I can't wait to see Linda get Spitz on a leash. Alan Jackson did the job well during Spector I. As I recall, Spitz's demonstration video had the court sort of in stiches, still makes me laugh when I think about it. Plus, obnoxious.
This guy, like Baden, completely makes stuff up.
 
If he testifies anywhere near as badly as he performed in that recent video, there's no question in my mind that the state will completely nullify his opinion.

But they also need to be respectful because of his vast experience and reputation and gentle because of his advanced age. The SA cannot tear into him or slaughter him because that might anger the jury. They need to softly, but clearly, show the jury that he is too old to keep track of his forensic faculties.
I hope SA can keep his cool.
 
You need to link this information up or it will be removed. Perhaps you could link the transcript of the show? You can't tell other posters to go to some station and watch some show and whatever. If you are going to state this as info that came out in the main stream media, YOU need to link it up.

Thanks!

Salem

I think I know where this originated.

I gave my opinion about a Drew program. I essentially said that I didn't like Drew's reaction when it was mentioned that GA wanted to be a Disney character.

A reply was posted that made me look at it differently and I appreciated it. Unfortunately sense didn't prevail and my unfortunate post is what is remembered.

My appologies.

Here is the original post and common sense reply.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140046&page=4

TC, Robin
 
I haven't seen the uncersored pictures. Wasn't the skull detached from the spine? Why would you need to cut off the top? Couldn't you just look thru the eye holes or turn it upside down to look at the inside of the top (sorry for gross out).

And what difference does it make anyway. Of course it would have been on its side at one time. If she were dumped feet side down her body would just fall over on its side.

So much I don't understand.

Dr G said that she saw no reason to further desecrate (paraphrasing) Caylee's body by cracking open her skull.

I see the ME testimony going something like this.

Spitz gets up there and talks about how he did the 2nd autopsy...
2 years ago...
before Jose was involved in the case 3 years ago...
when Dr Spitz became involved 1 year ago.
Huh?
Or maybe he will have his timeline straight by then. :waitasec:

He gets up and talks about how he cracked open the skull only to find nothing there. But he needed to do it because that's protocol.

Then they call Dr G who has ALL her facts straight... is likeable, articulate and easy to understand.

Then ask her why she did not crack open the skull... She says that she was able to see everything she needed to without doing so... So she did not feel the need to further desecrate the child's body by doing something so intrusive when it was not required for a thorough autopsy.

I rest my case.

The kicker here is George and Cindy were at work. That leaves Casey disappearing with the car which was missing until early July and her statements of where she was with that car. George had the duct tape much later than this horrible event. After his granddaughter was found to be missing and unknowingly used it to put up signs. That does not make him the only one to have possession of the duct tape at any time when Casey was seen in that home she also had access to that roll of duct tape. George wasn't home on the 16th after he saw Caylee alive. He was at work and Casey was not seen again with Caylee. Casey had physical possession of the most important piece of this puzzle. Not the duct tape, not the gas can, she had her daughter. And she was the one that lied about her whereabouts each and every day for 31 days and Caylee had not been seen by anyone since 6/16/2008.

They tested bones for drugs. The Doctor stated they would never expect that drugs would be found in bones 6 months later. The drugs would have been found in the organs of the body which were gone a long time before.

I disagree there are holes in the states case. And, the defense has back themselves into a corner. They themselves claimed their client lied. The State proved that Casey lied and can't be trusted. So now how is the defense going to put Casey on the stand and ask a jury to believe her? They already told the jury she lies.

Let's not forget also....

Who was it that talked to Casey that 6/16/2008 afternoon... Tony? Jesse? One of the men. Who heard Caylee in the background. Right around 3pm. George had to be at work at 3pm. This conversation occurred after George left for work.

Caylee was still alive during that conversation about 3pm.


Casey called Cindy that 6/16/2008 afternoon around 4pm to ask her to babysit. She wanted to drop Caylee off at Cindy's work. Something that Casey had done on multiple occasions for the last hour or so of Cindy's workday. Casey had no reason to expect her mother to refuse that day.

What if Cindy had said yes? Was Casey going to drop off a body??

Caylee was still alive when she made that call about 4pm.


I know Cindy mentioned the 4pm phone call in testimony, I don't recall if the 3pm call was mentioned in court. But hopefully the point of that day's schedule will be made more strongly... to debunk the defense's fantasy.
 

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